3 Teens Shot and Killed Breaking into a House - Stand Your Ground Rule? How?

[Chris_Michael]

I only want to ban certain guns--there's absolutely no reason for civilians to have assault weapons--and want to have the others closely regulated. And I can't see anyone in this situation being expected not to shoot to drop them one way or the other any way that would get the job done. So, you can take your dogmatic stereotyping and stick it where the sun don't shine.

I have no problem with this whatsoever. My only problem is that there are legal owners of AR-15s, and to strip them of their very expensive weapon with no compensation is ridiculous.

The change would have to be slow and it would have to evolve over time.

As I've said before, the gun issue is in your hands. You tell me the plan of what exactly you want in terms of gun restrictions and how you would implement it, and I'll gladly compromise.

Would you NOT agree that that is much more than most defenders of the 2nd Amendment? I don't think I've ever heard of a person even somewhat compromising on this subject. Yet I'm still this ridiculous subhuman psychopath who promotes mass killings.

I mean wtf... I just use reason and logic when I think about issues. I'm not well-versed in history nor government policy. But when it comes down to it, I can appreciate a liberal's point of view as long as it's not batshit crazy.

 

[BotanyBoy]

But when it comes down to it, I can appreciate a liberal's point of view as long as it's not batshit crazy.

Banning guns based upon how much shit fills SR71's pants when he looks at them isn't reason and logic, it is bat shit crazy, well....poser shit crazy but still.

AR's are just semi automatic rifles in a military body kit.

They are not the same thing and there isn't anything about AR's you can name that makes them anymore powerful or dangerous than any other semi automatic rifle.

SR71 just wants to ban scary looking things he doesn't understand and won't educate himself about.

 

[phrodeau]

(edited)

You do realize that can easily kill someone right?

Sure, when it's a guy with his head up his ass.

Chest wound vs. pelvic wound makes a yuuge difference when it comes to the courtroom. And that also would be self-defense.

 

[dan_c00000]

You tell me the plan of what exactly you want in terms of gun restrictions and how you would implement it, and I'll gladly compromise.

There's been tons of bills proposed it's just that gunfellators like bot call up their congress people and the NRA and whine about how they're going to miss their favorite masturbatory aid if they can't be guns.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Sure, when it's a guy with his head up his ass.

LOL, you should take an anatomy class, lots of major arteries and veins run through that pelvic region.....1 tiny nick is all it takes to bleed someone out, literally in seconds.

Chest wound vs. pelvic wound makes a yuuge difference when it comes to the courtroom. And that also would be self-defense.

Not really, only if you live in some (D) shithole where they protect criminals before their citizens, like here in CA.

 

[Boxlicker101]

AR's are way to over powered. You can penetrate quite a few vinyl sided homes with one of their rounds. A through and through can still penetrate a drywalled partition and hit someone in the next room.

Get a shotgun with a custom light load. Something that drywall can stop.

Firing a gun like an AR inside a house is fucking stupid even if you are defending it.

Best home defence is lots of outside lighting, a barking dog and a very loud security alarm. Then resort to a half loaded cartridge of birdshot to their faces. Guns don't prevent robberies. Lights, dogs and alarms will.

Guns DO prevent robberies. A gun certainly prevented this one. The other things you mention will also help prevent crimes.

 

[Boxlicker101]

This is a prime example of the Second Amendment at work - a man defending his home against an attack by a gang. He probably could have managed with some other weapon, but too much is vastly better than not enough.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Sure, when it's a guy with his head up his ass.

Chest wound vs. pelvic wound makes a yuuge difference when it comes to the courtroom. And that also would be self-defense.

Groin or abdomen wounds are nasty. Femoral artery or massive infection from pierced bowels. Hell, shock can kill! Shoot to wound is a movie thing for marksman with lots of time on their hands.

Guns DO prevent robberies. A gun certainly prevented this one. The other things you mention will also help prevent crimes.

It did not prevent the robbery. It might have prevented a successful robbery. Lights, barking dog and an ADT sign would have prevented the robbery. You prevent intrusion on the perimeter. Once inside you have been penetrated and have to resolve to aggressive defence.

Those pigtail mini fluorescents last for years out doors and cost little to operate. I've had them last 5 years outdoors. And low wattage ones to (equiv. 40 watts). Don't take much.



And you don't take away guns. You grandfather in possession but on death of owner they are not transferrable or saleable and are delivered up for destruction.

This is what you use for a weapon when burglars get in. Firing .410 shells.
http://citrusccw.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Taurus-Judge.jpg

 

[Paul_Chance]

You can pretty much take to bank that any media outlet or person that is saying "stand your ground" is talking sideways. Inside your own home it is a "Castle Doctrine" legal defense. All states allow the "Castle Doctrine" legal defense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine

 

[sr71plt]

As I've said before, the gun issue is in your hands. You tell me the plan of what exactly you want in terms of gun restrictions and how you would implement it, and I'll gladly compromise.

Would you NOT agree that that is much more than most defenders of the 2nd Amendment? I don't think I've ever heard of a person even somewhat compromising on this subject. Yet I'm still this ridiculous subhuman psychopath who promotes mass killings.
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I don't feel the need to convince you of anything. Neither of us has much clout in the matter.

And what you are defending in the 2nd Amendment is what I consider an erroneous interpretation of the 2nd Amendment unless you are in an authorized militia and want to own a musket--not a quick-repeating assault weapon.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Canada banned military looking weapons just because they are military looking. Unstable gun nuts like military style weapons even if a hunting weapon would do more damage. Handguns are for killing people not hunting. Regardless of the fact they are handy to have when a grizz gets past your long weapon.

 

[jaF0]

There's more to this story that may or may not come out before trial.


The great fat skank slob knew the guy in the house somehow, but they haven't said how yet. I've also seen word that the worm bait may have known him. I'm waiting to see how and if ..... personal use chemicals .... are involved or not.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Canada banned military looking weapons just because they are military looking.

That's pretty much all there is to the (D) argument to ban "assault weapons".

Their appearance scares the ignorant masses.

Unstable gun nuts like military style weapons even if a hunting weapon would do more damage.

Or anyone who wants an all around practical, durable, lightweight rifle at an affordable price.

Handguns are for killing people not hunting. Regardless of the fact they are handy to have when a grizz gets past your long weapon.

If a grizz gets past your long weapon you deserve to be eaten.

Any sane rational person interested in saving lives via gun restrictions should put handgun restrictions long before a "ban scary looking thinggies!!" move.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Any sane rational person interested in saving lives via gun restrictions should put handgun restrictions long before a "ban scary looking thinggies!!" move.

We did! Assault rifle look alikes ban came much much later.

 

[phrodeau]

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Groin or abdomen wounds are nasty. Femoral artery or massive infection from pierced bowels. Hell, shock can kill! Shoot to wound is a movie thing for marksman with lots of time on their hands.

Sounds like an excuse for poor marksmanship.

 

[JackLuis]

Sounds like an excuse for poor marksmanship.

At ten yards the average "shooter" would be hard pressed to group inside ~8-12" with a hand gun and ~5" with a long gun in 'stressful' situations.
That is why AR shooters like 20 round mags.

 

[urguyscott]

If that happened in California our Gov. Brown or if Obama was still in office, the three would be made "victims" and allowed to go "free". Of course you would have to dig them up first. The leftist feel that by allowing more crime and hurting our first responders and turning on the honest citizens is a way to destroy our way of life and the Constitution will help bring us back to the dark ages. These clowns got what they deserved. And any leftist lawyer or politician or criminal advocate who says otherwise may their home and family be the next to be invaded.

Gun sales go up because the criminals are protected by corrupt mayors and dirty cops(police chiefs who are political appointments), crooked judges and the left. If we were allowed to be a nation of laws then we wouldn't need to arm ourselves to protect our families.

You can be sure by stopping these dirt bags other innocent lives have most likely been saved from their crimes.

It should not have happened.

 

[BotanyBoy]

We did! Assault rifle look alikes ban came much much later.

Well at least you were logical/rational about oppressing your people.

We've got a total clusterfuck of pointless stupidity surrounding the topic.

 

[Boxlicker101]

If that happened in California our Gov. Brown or if Obama was still in office, the three would be made "victims" and allowed to go "free". Of course you would have to dig them up first. The leftist feel that by allowing more crime and hurting our first responders and turning on the honest citizens is a way to destroy our way of life and the Constitution will help bring us back to the dark ages. These clowns got what they deserved. And any leftist lawyer or politician or criminal advocate who says otherwise may their home and family be the next to be invaded.

Gun sales go up because the criminals are protected by corrupt mayors and dirty cops(police chiefs who are political appointments), crooked judges and the left. If we were allowed to be a nation of laws then we wouldn't need to arm ourselves to protect our families.

You can be sure by stopping these dirt bags other innocent lives have most likely been saved from their crimes.

It should not have happened.

In CA, family members pf the dead guys, who would be described in the major newspapers as "victims" would be suing the shooter for "Wrongful Death" and he would be in jail charged with murder. A jury, composed of sane people, would acquit him, but he would be old and gray before the case ever got to trial. Unless he pled guilty to Manslaughter, of course.

 

[phrodeau]

At ten yards the average "shooter" would be hard pressed to group inside ~8-12" with a hand gun and ~5" with a long gun in 'stressful' situations.
That is why AR shooters like 20 round mags.

Exactly. Why practice when you can just buy an accessory?

 

[jaF0]

Problem with auto, buckshot, blunderbusts, etc. is all the drywall and window repairs afterwards.

 

[dan_c00000]

blunderbusts, etc. is all the drywall and window repairs afterwards.

How about a flintlock?

 

[Hard_Rom]

Problem with auto, buckshot, blunderbusts, etc. is all the drywall and window repairs afterwards.

Use birdshot. Better drywall and window repairs than burying a dead kid from a round or slug passing through drywall or window.

 

[minn]

Agree

'Could have shot to wound?' You've been watching too many Hollywood movies.

If you shoot, you shoot to stop. A wound might not be enough to stop an intruder, particularly one high on drugs.

I agree with you 100% I'm pretty good with a gun and hope I never have to use it anymore. However, the person you are aiming to shoot is not a stationary target and there is usually very little time in a situation such as this where you have time to think, "let's see if I can just wing this dude and move on to the others!"

 

[LIVINRFANTASIES]

Denny

Three less criminals to worry about and a lot more criminals thinking home invasion might not be a good idea.

Case closed!