3 Teens Shot and Killed Breaking into a House - Stand Your Ground Rule? How?

[lovecraft68]

Aiming is enough to stop most intruders. The rest will most likely stop after you kill one of them.

Your soft is showing. How does someone know these three aren't hopped up on crack and out of their minds and are going to stop?

One intruder? Maybe you try that, but three? You need them to stay down when you shoot them.

Not everyone is like you who would let them rape your wife and kill your kids while you stood and lectured on the evils of owning guns.

 

[oggbashan]

How about a flintlock?

Misfires with a flintlock are too frequent. That's why percussion caps were such a success.

Three intruders and you have a flintlock? If it does fire, you'll only have one shot and a minimum of 20 seconds to reload - if you are very skilled.

 

[jaF0]

If they were lined up right, one AR shot might have got'em all.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Anyone should have the right to kill a criminal who is committing a crime. George Zimmerman did the right thing.

 

[phrodeau]

Anyone should have the right to kill a criminal who is committing a crime. George Zimmerman did the right thing.

Yeah, gun down all those speeders on the freeway.

 

[mark_j]

Guess those three dirtbags broke into the wrong fuckin' house didn't they..

 

[Boxlicker101]

Guess those three dirtbags broke into the wrong fuckin' house didn't they..

If this had been the home of a dedicated lefty, he and his family would probably be the dead ones now.

 

[oggbashan]

If this had been the home of a dedicated lefty, he and his family would probably be the dead ones now.

Dedicated lefties can be gun owners. They just want to keep guns out of other people's hands.

 

[dan_c00000]

That's pretty much all there is to the (D) argument to ban "assault weapons".

You're about to get your asshole ruined...again.

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[Paul_Chance]

I think it's probably just because we're better shots.

 

[sr71plt]

I think it's probably just because we're better shots.

And have easier access to guns and a Wild West attitude.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Canada doesn't seem to have a problem with burglars breaking in and massacring those in the home. Does the UK or Australia? Apparently it is quite common in the US hence why they need their guns. Is the US so crime ridden that citizens must arm themselves? Stats appear similar to Canada, UK and Australia. Being heavily armed doesn't appear to alter crime stats much.

 

[phrodeau]

In other news, a man felt so threatened by an unarmed intruder using his shower, that he left the house, returned with a gun and shot him three times in cold blood.

http://komonews.com/news/local/man-...omeowner-was-educator-with-no-criminal-record

He has been charged with second-degree murder.

 

[mark_j]

In other news, a man felt so threatened by an unarmed intruder using his shower, that he left the house, returned with a gun and shot him three times in cold blood.

http://komonews.com/news/local/man-...omeowner-was-educator-with-no-criminal-record

He has been charged with second-degree murder.

As he should be. Being as there is probably more to the story than the 2 paragraphs KOMO devoted to it.

 

[toeskr]

Love no retreat. Come into my house with Ill intentions.
Sorry, you are going to die and I will drink whiskey later.

 

[phrodeau]

Love no retreat. Come into my house with Ill intentions.
Sorry, you are going to die and I will drink whiskey later.

Jesus says that you're a rotten bastard.

 

[jaF0]

Jesus says ...

... which one? There are only a few million of them.

 

[Chris_Michael]

Well, Jesus needs to take a Xanax and relax because it sounds like he's getting a little emotional.

 

[phrodeau]

... which one? There are only a few million of them.

All of 'em.

 

[allforfun86]

To the person that asked about americas crime, sorry I forgot to quote you, it is bad. But I personally believe the reason it's so bad is because our government victimizes criminals. If someone brakes into my house and my silent alarm system goes off and the cops show up before he leaves and gets arrested, he can sue me if I didn't have a alarm system warning on the window or door he broke into. I can go to jail or pay insane fees because the criminal was arrested for braking into my house?! So of course our crime rate is high.

To all the ppl talking about shoot to wound, that's a fuckin joke. The only time you can "shoot to wound" is if someone is charging you from a large distance. That's the only way you can get a "wounding" shot off. With plenty of time to aim and think of what you are doing.

Inside a building, with a unknown person/s walking around and with no ide of what their intention is or what weapons they carry, you can't shoot to wound. There isn't enough time and for the average untrained person (meaning someone with zero combat experience) thinking calmly enough to aim at a limb is impossible. You go to your basics. Aim center mass, shoot. Even then a wound shot is b.s. If you fire you're weapon with the intention to wound or scare someone, then the weapon more then likely didn't need to be fired (that doesn't apply to all cases and situations of course).

Also I'm pretty sure that unless you are using a hard hitting/piercing round, it won't go very far if you hit your target. If it does even punch through them, it loses a significant amount of force and is no longer in a smooth arced spiral. It tumbles (which takes away its piercing power and makes it a hunk of metal) and is thrown off trajectory. Yes it's possible that after punching through someone it could hit dry wall and punch through siding fly a certain distance between homes (while going through bushes, fences and other outside objects) punch through more siding and drywall (plus the stuff in between those) to finally enter another persons home, hit and wound/kill them? I'm not good with math but I think the odds of winning the mega millions jackpot 3 times in your life are better then those odds.

All I got to say is that the HR15 is designed for home defense. While in the military I learned that the M4 was built for the shorter barrel and collapsible butt stock. It is the exact same thing as the M16 otherwise. They shortened the barrel and made the butt stock collapsible because it made it shorter, so it was easier to handle indoors as opposed to the much longer m16 which was awkward to handle in tight spaces. The AR15 is designed off of the m4, so it was designed to be used in homes for security and clearance.

And if anyone thinks that owning one is stupid then look at the roots that have been happening. I've herd on the news that people's houses were being broken into and the residents beaten and robbed. That's a damn good reason to carry a rifle with high fire power to me. The point of owning a semi auto rifle is for protection, against anyone. Criminal or government. That was why we established the 2nd amendment. To protect ourselves from any threat. As long as I'm not walking down the streets waving it around and threatening people, wtf does it matter to someone else if I own one? Because your a puss and the loud bang scares you?

 

[toeskr]

Jesus says that you're a rotten bastard.

But José says good move bro, gimme a drink.

 

[Ramone45]

One had a knife and one has brass knuckles. One was unarmed. He could have shot to wound, or not shot at all. He shot and killed all three. That's way beyond protecting himself.

Don't you have the sarcasm font?

 

[sr71plt]

To the person that asked about americas crime, sorry I forgot to quote you, it is bad. But I personally believe the reason it's so bad is because our government victimizes criminals. If someone brakes into my house and my silent alarm system goes off and the cops show up before he leaves and gets arrested, he can sue me if I didn't have a alarm system warning on the window or door he broke into. I can go to jail or pay insane fees because the criminal was arrested for braking into my house?! So of course our crime rate is high.

Besides the fact that anyone can sue anyone else for anything, which isn't the point (successful suits are the point), this sounds like an urban legend. Please cite something to back this up, including the outcome of the suit. If your premise is faulty, there's little reason to read your argument that's based on a faulty premise.

 

[phrodeau]

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To all the ppl talking about shoot to wound, that's a fuckin joke. The only time you can "shoot to wound" is if someone is charging you from a large distance. That's the only way you can get a "wounding" shot off. With plenty of time to aim and think of what you are doing.

Inside a building, with a unknown person/s walking around and with no ide of what their intention is or what weapons they carry, you can't shoot to wound. There isn't enough time and for the average untrained person (meaning someone with zero combat experience) thinking calmly enough to aim at a limb is impossible. You go to your basics. Aim center mass, shoot. Even then a wound shot is b.s. If you fire you're weapon with the intention to wound or scare someone, then the weapon more then likely didn't need to be fired (that doesn't apply to all cases and situations of course).

The man killed all three burglars. That means he got a killing shot into each one. You claim that he didn't have time to aim to wound? Utter bullshit.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You're about to get your asshole ruined...again.

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No, I'm not...and your bleeding chart doesn't change the fact that (D) much feared "assault weapons" are still nothing more than a semi-auto rifle.

You just got ruined Dan, because you can't read for shit and you don't know a god damn thing about the topic.

You're out of your element Dan, I suggest you stfu and listen for once before you embarrass yourself again.