A Covid Science Update

[phrodeau]

Yawn...Tell the media that reported it as a few blocks.

I don’t get that AM frequency in my tooth fillings.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Hate? No, it's more like despise. I despise that a little bureaucrat piece of shit was given this much uncontrolled power to disrupt lives, ruin businesses, and allow people to die from an illness he helped fund through his agency. Hatred is too strong, despise is just about right. My perfect end to this would to see him arrested and tried for conspiracy in regards to this debacle.

Do you also hate the guy who allowed him to do all of that?

 

[ll74]

Oh you are about the farthest thing from a cross.

Ive been called worse

 

[VinnyVeritas]

Funny, how on so many poly-sci issues, if you don't agree with the prevailing end-of-the-world hysteria citing the statistics on flawed research in the publish-or-perish atmosphere of academia, then you hate Science, because, don'tcha know, this stuff is peer-reviewed. "AJ, what the hell, don't you even have a basic understanding of peer-review? You must be lying about your degrees if you don't understand peer review."

But then when papers are actually withdrawn, "AJ, what the hell, don't you even have a basic understanding that papers are withdrawn in every field, all the time, because they are found to be flawed? You must be lying about your degrees!"

Do you men to say that the Glowball Warning movement is similarly full of flawed peer-reviewed research?

In for the penny, in for the pound.

I do understand academia.

I've been there...

 

[ll74]

Funny, how on so many poly-sci issues, if you don't agree with the prevailing end-of-the-world hysteria citing the statistics on flawed research in the publish-or-perish atmosphere of academia, then you hate Science, because, don'tcha know, this stuff is peer-reviewed. "AJ, what the hell, don't you even have a basic understanding of peer-review? You must be lying about your degrees if you don't understand peer review."

But then when papers are actually withdrawn, "AJ, what the hell, don't you even have a basic understanding that papers are withdrawn in every field, all the time, because they are found to be flawed? You must be lying about your degrees!"

Do you men to say that the Glowball Warning movement is similarly full of flawed peer-reviewed research?

In for the penny, in for the pound.

I do understand academia.

I've been there...

Your position seems to mirror that of the article....that the COVID retractions are abnormal and high.....which cannot be concluded by the.available information.

And it's everyone else's fault because everyone else failed to provide information to YOU that would fill in the gaps of your logic. And a few of us actually have done so.

Less than 1% retraction rate (much less). Sounds horrible.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

Why would there be any Covid retractions at all?

The Science was sound, so we the deniers were told...

I mean, a "vaccine" in record time without the usual protections and zero proof of efficacy?

Yes, this was Political Science's finest hour. Just like AIDS. Just like GlowBall Warning. Just like Energy Production.

Q: Just how many "clean" windmills does it take to replace one damned dirty nuclear plant?

 

[Chobham]

Your position seems to mirror that of the article....that the COVID retractions are abnormal and high.....which cannot be concluded by the.available information.

And it's everyone else's fault because everyone else failed to provide information to YOU that would fill in the gaps of your logic. And a few of us actually have done so.

Less than 1% retraction rate (much less). Sounds horrible.

It doesn't matter. What we do know is that virtually all of the knee-jerk reactions by the political class were almost uniformly the wrong thing to do.

What we also know is that those initial, and flawed, papers were used to form Draconian public policy and in the end we don't know how many of the political class were merely mislead or purposely grabbing for power. Regardless it appears that the public has learned a valuable lesson.

Be very, very, wary of the politicians that cry, "Follow the science!" when it is those very politicians that funded the science to begin with. An alliance between the state and science is as unholy and dangerous as an alliance between the State and the church.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The whackadoodle Right wing seems determined to rewrite history to have us believe that anti-vax, anti-mask quarantine-defying numbskulls were the "real" heroes of the pandemic.

A continuation of the "gone by Easter, Churches fill to capacity" mythos promoted by the then-Storyteller in Chief..

 

[VinnyVeritas]

They managed to wipe out a generation of wealth and a generation's education.

Now they need more taxes for more education.

Cui bono? Not the people.



At least not those holding the reins of power and untouchable wealth...

 

[ll74]

Why would there be any Covid retractions at all?

There are retractions of papers all the time. Why do you think the site linked to the article exists? There are many reasons they are retracted. (This was also mentioned on the site that was.sourced)

The Science was sound, so we the deniers were told...

The science was sound about what specifically, were the deniers told? And what, exactly, does the word "sound" mean to you? When you write a paper, does that immediately make it a scientific conclusion?

I mean, a "vaccine" in record time without the usual protections and zero proof of efficacy?

New tech does things faster. There was proof of efficacy. But now have we moved on from the virus to the vaccine?

Yes, this was Political Science's finest hour. Just like AIDS. Just like GlowBall Warning. Just like Energy Production.

Pandemics are never a finest hour.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

Beware the Military Industrial Complex was cherry-picked, but there was also a warning about things like the Academic (/Education) Industrial Complex where full tenured professors send their aids to "teach" their courses...



... so that have more time to continue their activities straight out of the 70s.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

Faux pandemic was a finest hour for the Left's exercise in muscle-flexing.

 

[ll74]

It doesn't matter. What we do know is that virtually all of the knee-jerk reactions by the political class were almost uniformly the wrong thing to do.

Yes, and here we have again more proof of my assertion. The article is lazy, but easily roped in people who believe the obfuscation it presented.

No matter that the retraction rate isn't abnormally high.....it is because you say it is!

What we also know is that those initial, and flawed, papers were used to form Draconian public policy and in the end we don't know how many of the political class were merely mislead or purposely grabbing for power. Regardless it appears that the public has learned a valuable lesson.

Yes, initial studies about the virus were used.....the alternative is to throw darts at a dart board. When not much is known about a disease, you go with what is known and available. That's actually how medicine and disease prevention works.

The alternative is not as pretty.

Be very, very, wary of the politicians that cry, "Follow the science!" when it is those very politicians that funded the science to begin with. An alliance between the state and science is as unholy and dangerous as an alliance between the State and the church.

If you had your way, experience would not be reasoning to hire people.

 

[Bray123]

Herman Cain's report on the Faux Pandemic is still being reviewed.

 

[ll74]

Faux pandemic was a finest hour for the Left's exercise in muscle-flexing.

It was an actual pandemic. Take whatever politics or opinion out of the topic - the sheer infection rate and global reach is enough to categorize it as one.

 

[zipman]

Faux pandemic was a finest hour for the Left's exercise in muscle-flexing.

How does the retraction of:

1. “A psychosocial exploration of body dissatisfaction: A narrative review With a focus on India during COVID-19,”

prove that our was a faux pandemic? I went through the first 12 or so titles and didn't see any of the retracted papers claiming that.

I know, you saw an article on pj media, got a little stiffy and ran in here to post it because 330 sounds like a big number.

7 million people died worldwide, but you call it a faux pandemic. That's why people say you're a science denier.

 

[Chobham]

Yes, and here we have again more proof of my assertion. The article is lazy, but easily roped in people who believe the obfuscation it presented.

No matter that the retraction rate isn't abnormally high.....it is because you say it is!


Yes, initial studies about the virus were used.....the alternative is to throw darts at a dart board. When not much is known about a disease, you go with what is known and available. That's actually how medicine and disease prevention works.

The alternative is not as pretty.


If you had your way, experience would not be reasoning to hire people.

Experience huh? How about this;

We have NEVER created a vaccine that is 100% against the flu or the common cold, and that is the category that the Wuhan Flu falls into. Those vaccines that have been produced are not 100% effective in preventing the contraction of the disease nor the spread. The degree to which those vaccines are effective in ameliorating the effects of the disease vary from individual to individual and we still don't know why.

The claims by Biden, Trump, or any other politician that "millions were saved" are hollow claims. We have no way of knowing how many were "saved" by the vaccine or any other measures the politicians inflicted on the public. What we do know is that the very worst of the societal consequences had nothing to do with the disease itself.

I said at the very outset of this disease that it was going to run it's course regardless of any measure taken, and that's pretty much how it all played out.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Faux pandemic was a finest hour for the Left's exercise in muscle-flexing.

Invermectin was the finest hour for the Right's exercise in "Alternate facts".

Breaking News: Horse de-wormer kills viruses!

 

[ll74]

Experience huh? How about this;

We have NEVER created a vaccine that is 100% against the flu or the common cold, and that is the category that the Wuhan Flu falls into. Those vaccines that have been produced are not 100% effective in preventing the contraction of the disease nor the spread. The degree to which those vaccines are effective in ameliorating the effects of the disease vary from individual to individual and we still don't know why.

They are effective at preventing severe illness and death and are proven to reduce symptoms if you do get the virus.

Nobody claimed it was 100% effective. Many studies concluded a higher rate of prevention early on in the pandemic, which was shown to be incorrect over time.

Vaccines are meant to prevent disease in as many ways as possible. Their primary purpose is to stop people from dying.or suffering severe illness....their secondary purpose is to stop the spread from person to person. Future vaccines should certainly be better at the second

The claims by Biden, Trump, or any other politician that "millions were saved" are hollow claims. We have no way of knowing how many were "saved" by the vaccine or any other measures the politicians inflicted on the public. What we do know is that the very worst of the societal consequences had nothing to do with the disease itself.

They are correct.

The vaccines are effective at preventing severe illness and death from the virus.

I said at the very outset of this disease that it was going to run it's course regardless of any measure taken, and that's pretty much how it all played out.

Good for you Maybe your mommy will give you a cookie.

I said during the second season of Lost, that the last season was going to end poorly....nobody seemed to care about that either ¯⁠\⁠(⁠°⁠_⁠o⁠)⁠/⁠¯

 

[RobDownSouth]

Experience huh? How about this;

We have NEVER created a vaccine that is 100% against the flu or the common cold, and that is the category that the Wuhan Flu falls into. Those vaccines that have been produced are not 100% effective in preventing the contraction of the disease nor the spread. The degree to which those vaccines are effective in ameliorating the effects of the disease vary from individual to individual and we still don't know why.

Two lies in teh first sentence. Classic Ishmael.

1. NO vaccine in history has been "100% effective", That's you moooooving the goalposts.
2. Corona virus was absolutely NOT in the same category as "flu or common cold", it was 'aeresol-based' which put it in the 1% rarified stratus along with measles and tuberculosis. Common cold and/or flu are water-droplet based.

 

[phrodeau]

I mean, a "vaccine" in record time without the usual protections and zero proof of efficacy?

Are you referring to hydroxychloroquine?

 

[TrailerHitch]

Ive been called worse

Probably almost every day.

 

[ll74]

Probably almost every day.

On here, certainly. Even though I obviously strive to gain favor with everyone here every minute of every day.

 

[HisArpy]

Hate? No, it's more like despise. I despise that a little bureaucrat piece of shit was given this much uncontrolled power to disrupt lives, ruin businesses, and allow people to die from an illness he helped fund through his agency. Hatred is too strong, despise is just about right. My perfect end to this would to see him arrested and tried for conspiracy in regards to this debacle.

He needs to go to the Hague and be tried for Crimes Against Humanity.

 

[TrailerHitch]

On here, certainly. Even though I obviously strive to gain favor with everyone here every minute of every day.

That might possibly be the funniest and most ironic thing I have ever seen on Literotica.