A link between liberalism and pot.

[Wat_Tyler]

Whole lotta scramblin' goin' on in hyah.

 

[BAstoicguy]

Whole lotta scramblin' goin' on in hyah.

Ol' Fran Tarkington would have sure been proud,
of the way I was moving when I passed that crowd...

 

[UltraChad]

Liberal does not mean libertarian. Give it up.

Didn't say it did. You're deflecting away from your bullshit conflation of liberalism with totalitarianism and authoritarianism.

Define liberalism......bet you run away from that too.

And the MAGAts ain't libertarian.

Didn't say they were. But they are FAR closer than the totalitarian and authoritarian control freak democrats.

If they were, they would want open borders and abortion on demand.

If that was the price to eliminate 99% of all of the governments economic and social authority I bet a vast majority of MAGA's would take it.

Not a single Democrat would take that deal.

 

[Politruk]

Didn't say it did. You're deflecting away from your bullshit conflation of liberalism with totalitarianism and authoritarianism.

Define liberalism......bet you run away from that too.

It's defined here.

 

[Politruk]

If that was the price to eliminate 99% of all of the governments economic and social authority I bet a vast majority of MAGA's would take it.

No, they wouldn't. Nationalism and populism and social conservatism matter immeasurably more than liberty to them.

 

[UltraChad]

It's defined here.

"The chief objective for liberalism is human freedom within reasonable limits. Freedom means the ability to do what one wills with one's own life and property, and build and live in a society where the state and church do not interfere and regulate. Liberals differ from Anarchists in that they believe that people need to be 'oppressed' by governments in order to be free in other respects — though they value government only for the freedom it brings, and don't consider it something valuable or desirable in itself. "

Pretty much the way I use the term.

Totally the opposite from how YOU use to term to mean the ultimate totalitarian god like government which controls everything down to the persons very thought process and is itself to be worshiped like the god that leftoids see it as.

 

[Politruk]

"The chief objective for liberalism is human freedom within reasonable limits. Freedom means the ability to do what one wills with one's own life and property, and build and live in a society where the state and church do not interfere and regulate. Liberals differ from Anarchists in that they believe that people need to be 'oppressed' by governments in order to be free in other respects — though they value government only for the freedom it brings, and don't consider it something valuable or desirable in itself. "

Not too far off and pretty much the way I use the term. Totally the opposite from how YOU use to term to mean the ultimate totalitarian god like government which controls everything down to the persons very thought process.

Joke of a source though.

But see also:

"Liberalism argues that positive liberty is absolutely necessary for universal human freedom, particularly that of the poor. For instance, a family which struggles to earn enough to feed itself will obviously be unable to provide medical care or education for its members without state intervention. As such, the state should intervene in economic affairs on behalf of the least privileged. Liberals are also in favor of enforcing agrarian reform and land grants and likewise advocate for a strong centralized state (especially the Jacobins). Liberals want all people to be actually free, period, and when Liberals abolished slavery, either in Jacobin France or Radical Republican America, they denied compensation to slave owners, albeit any attempts to extend support and investment to newly freed slaves provoked such a backlash and reversal that they eventually stopped from fully committing to their program.

Social Democracy gained consensus among the mainstream Left while the American Democrat Party, historically a party with populist-classical-Liberal sentiments, turned towards Liberalism and social democracy. The result was the post-war consensus that remained in place until The '80s. But in brief, it is worth pointing out that even Milton Friedman and Friedrich von Hayek conceded some ground to Socialism in their proposals to replace contemporary welfare programs and minimum wages with 'negative income taxes' that would provide living wages to all citizens (and Hayek actually went even further in unambiguously endorsing universal healthcare and other safety nets to care for those subject to misfortunes beyond their control)."

 

[UltraChad]

But see also:

"Liberalism argues that positive liberty is absolutely necessary for universal human freedom, particularly that of the poor. For instance, a family which struggles to earn enough to feed itself will obviously be unable to provide medical care or education for its members without state intervention. As such, the state should intervene in economic affairs on behalf of the least privileged. Liberals are also in favor of enforcing agrarian reform and land grants and likewise advocate for a strong centralized state (especially the Jacobins). Liberals want all people to be actually free, period, and when Liberals abolished slavery, either in Jacobin France or Radical Republican America, they denied compensation to slave owners, albeit any attempts to extend support and investment to newly freed slaves provoked such a backlash and reversal that they eventually stopped from fully committing to their program.

Yes I understand leftist see liberalism as freedom from consequences of personal choices and freedom from personal responsibility.

Like always, leftoids are fuckin' wrong.

Social Democracy gained consensus among the mainstream Left while the American Democrat Party, historically a party with populist-classical-Liberal sentiments, turned towards Liberalism and social democracy.

In the 1960's yes....

That changed in 2016. That's when all pretenses of liberalism fell, the mask came off and the progressive left showed us all how totally illiberal the democrats really were.

That is why there isn't a single core liberal value they don't attack 24/7 at every single level possible in favor of government authority to eliminate/restrict liberty and enforce equity. Equity and liberty are mutually exclusive.....you can't have both, you must pick one or the other.

 

[BAstoicguy]

Oh good. Nothing like a Google cherry-pick paste war to prove how [________] you are..., ad infinitum.

 

[UltraChad]

Oh good. Nothing like a Google cherry-pick paste war to prove how [________] you are..., ad infinitum.

I don't even have to do that.

He's proving my point with his own links....LOL

 

[Politruk]

That changed in 2016. That's when all pretenses of liberalism fell, the mask came off and the progressive left showed us all how totally illiberal the democrats really were.

Anything that started happening in 2016 is all on the GOP. Which has not in any way stood for liberty since Trump became its leader.

 

[UltraChad]

Anything that started happening in 2016 is all on the GOP.

The GOP is not responsible for how the democrats respond to democracy not going their way with a turn towards authoritarianism.

The only people responsible for how democrats behave, are the democrats.

I swear off in the distance i heard "reeeeee!!!! no!!! REEEE!!!! everything is someone else's fault!!REEEE!!! now give me REEE!! Welfare...REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! "

 

[Politruk]

What does all this have to do with pot, again?

 

[Politruk]

The GOP is not responsible for how the democrats respond to democracy not going their way with a turn towards authoritarianism.

None of that in the Biden Admin . . . What are you smoking?

 

[HisArpy]

Ol' Fran Tarkington would have sure been proud,
of the way I was moving when I passed that crowd...

...slinging gravel and putting a ton of dust in the air...

 

[UltraChad]

None of that in the Biden Admin . . . What are you smoking?

Of course there has been, thus all the censorship, lawfare and attack on basic human rights across (D) controlled USA.

What does all this have to do with pot, again?

It's the other half of the conversation, I had to get you to quit pretending liberals and communist are the same.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Revised thread title: “The link between pot and men who pretend to be women on erotic story sites”

 

[Politruk]

It's the other half of the conversation, I had to get you to quit pretending liberals and communist are the same.

Liberals and social democrats are the same, pretty much.

 

[UltraChad]

Liberals and social democrats are the same, pretty much.

Yea except for that social democrats have an ABSOLUTE AND TOTAL disregard for liberty.

It's a big factor.

 

[Politruk]

Yea except for that social democrats have an ABSOLUTE AND TOTAL disregard for liberty.

It's a big factor.

The social democracies are free countries by any reasonable measure.

 

[UltraChad]

The social democracies are free countries by any reasonable measure.

A place that heavily censors ones speech, taxes ones labor, doesn't allow private property or self defense....is not free by any stretch of the term.

Freedom is not having every aspect of your life controlled by a totalitarian state that punishes you for stepping out of line in any way, that is the opposite of free. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

 

[Politruk]

A place that heavily censors ones speech, taxes ones labor, doesn't allow private property or self defense....is not free by any stretch of the term.

Freedom is not having every aspect of your life controlled by a totalitarian state that punishes you for stepping out of line in any way, that is the opposite of free. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

You are not describing the social democracies.

Always you seem to be posting from some planet where the sky is not blue.

 

[UltraChad]

You are not describing the social democracies.

I am describing social democracies. Just like the UK, France, Germany etc. where that all applies.

Always you seem to be posting from some planet where the sky is not blue.

Projection.

 

[BAstoicguy]

Do you add some sort od stimulant to your weed? Jesus, Allah and Buddha...,

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Do you add some sort od stimulant to your weed? Jesus, Allah and Buddha...,

Only Lit libturds could fuck that up, too.