A moral agenda for Capitalism

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

How does that make companies behave without any oversight or regulations?

I retired from government. I estimate 75% of our work was nonsense, and maybe 5% was necessary. Most government work is punitive political action for payoffs or paybacks.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I retired from government. I estimate 75% of our work was nonsense, and maybe 5% was necessary. Most government work is punitive political action for payoffs or paybacks.

Including what postal workers and cops and soldiers and firefighters and schoolteachers do?

 

[phrodeau]

I retired from government. I estimate 75% of our work was nonsense, and maybe 5% was necessary. Most government work is punitive political action for payoffs or paybacks.

And now we know why.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Those businesses are playing by the rules set in place by those governments.

No they aren't because there aren't any rules because minimal government oversight, so the companies do whatever is best for the bottom line, which is rarely what is best for the people in the company.

That is why we now have labor laws....because capitalism couldn't be trusted to take care of people back then, and it can't be trusted today.

That's not capitalism's fault,

Profit>people is without a doubt capitalism's fault and a major fault/flaw with the system.

those governments are not protecting their people.

They are trying to....companies make it hard though with all their money.

No, it's not. The EPA should set industrial standards.

It's an exact comparison......and yes the EPA should because companies and corporations can NOT be trusted to do the right thing and clean their shit up. Just like they can NOT be trusted to take care of their employees and provide them with the safest work environment possible.

Because capitalism says fuck everyone, and fuck everything, just make profit. It's great for making money, horrible at treating people/environment right....

I never said we should get rid of government oversight.

Ok how would minimal government oversight make capitalism NOT a human rights violation waiting to happen?

I retired from government. I estimate 75% of our work was nonsense, and maybe 5% was necessary. Most government work is punitive political action for payoffs or paybacks.

Me too, and that sucks you have such a low opinion of your work...but how does that make companies behave without some kind of oversight/regulations???

 

[Libsam]

BB, so you're saying that if someone, lets call him Dr. GreenThumb, wants to open a nursery and sell his produce, that he is amoral and only doing it to take advantage of people for a profit? It couldn't be because he is passionate about growing plants, is good at it, and people want to buy his product?

Should we all stop attempting to push the current limits, stop innovating because something beyond the pale may happen? Should people stop chasing their dreams and wait for government to dictate their aspirations?

Living organisms want to live!

 

[Sean Renaud]

BB, so you're saying that if someone, lets call him Dr. GreenThumb, wants to open a nursery and sell his produce, that he is amoral and only doing it to take advantage of people for a profit? It couldn't be because he is passionate about growing plants, is good at it, and people want to buy his product?

Should we all stop attempting to push the current limits, stop innovating because something beyond the pale may happen? Should people stop chasing their dreams and wait for government to dictate their aspirations?

Living organisms want to live!

In 99% of cases yes he is amoral and only doing it to take advantage of the profit. If he's doing it as a hobby he wouldn't charge.

Nobody said anything about pushing current limits or innovating or chasing dreams however.

 

[Libsam]

In 99% of cases yes he is amoral and only doing it to take advantage of the profit.

right, because it's the 1%ers who make the best decision, huh?

 

[Sean Renaud]

right, because it's the 1%ers who make the best decision, huh?

What are you even on about?

 

[BotanyBoy]

BB, so you're saying that if someone, lets call him Dr. GreenThumb, wants to open a nursery and sell his produce, that he is amoral and only doing it to take advantage of people for a profit?

No I'm saying without government regulations and labor laws the good Dr. has every economic reason to do exactly that and laws with consequences for breaking them are the ONLY things stopping the individuals who WILL run the companies in a dubious fashion.

That is to say your whole "minimal government" bit is a load of shit....capitalism and free market voodoo do nothing to protect human rights, they actually come up with super creative ways of violating them for profit.

It couldn't be because he is passionate about growing plants, is good at it, and people want to buy his product?

He might be, there are good people out there who run honest businesses, from contractors and farmers to bankers and lawyers. But there are also scum fucking bags who have NO moral compass who would poison the water supply and run their company 3rd world sweat shop style in a fucking heart beat if it improved their bottom line so much as marginally. WalMart comes to mind....they would pimp child prostitutes out of the back loading dock if it were legal.

Should we all stop attempting to push the current limits, stop innovating because something beyond the pale may happen? Should people stop chasing their dreams and wait for government to dictate their aspirations?

Who said anything about any of that?

What aspirations has the government dictated to us???

 

[BoyNextDoor]

The problem is not how we treat the slaves, the problem is that there are such a thing AS slaves.