A Question for the Men...

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I am trying to keep it real, it's true. However I sympathise with those who like to relax at night with a sexual template that doesn't challenge braincells which have been hard at it all day.

Or stimulate other parts of the body which might not have had the chance to be hard all day .

The condom Nazi. ^^^^^^^^^

 

[LoveMenLoveSex]

There's violence (as in bloodshed, cutting, gory deaths and zombies ). Besides, the draft is with my editor. Try again during August.

You should take out the time and see some old horror movies sometimes. The only use of women cast is to be paralysed and scream their lungs out at anything that moves. It's really frustrating these days to see inaction like that.

Ha! You should see my versions of bloodshed, cutting, gore and demons! Shame about the wait time but I'll persevere with my browsing.

Oh yeah, the old Hammer films used ladies screaming their heads off to let the audience know something really horrible was happening. TV translated the concept to a laff-track. Whaddaya gunna do?

And the most modern horror/slash films still have teenage (or 20-something actresses pretending to be teenagers) girls screaming mindlessly at the sight of a torn fingernail or dripping blood. I'm sure it's not a survival trait.

 

[Sammael Bard]

Ha! You should see my versions of bloodshed, cutting, gore and demons! Shame about the wait time but I'll persevere with my browsing.

Oh yeah, the old Hammer films used ladies screaming their heads off to let the audience know something really horrible was happening. TV translated the concept to a laff-track. Whaddaya gunna do?

And the most modern horror/slash films still have teenage (or 20-something actresses pretending to be teenagers) girls screaming mindlessly at the sight of a torn fingernail or dripping blood. I'm sure it's not a survival trait.

Oh please, a link would be great to prove your mettle.


I don't think Horror as a genre is being exploited to its full potential. The director copy-pastes the same formula every fucking where. It just doesn't cut it these days.

Take Spielberg's "Aliens" for example of different. Silence as a tool of fear has never been used so effectively, if ever. It still gives me the chills when I watch it. There are other movies I'm forgetting, but I'm not that old and most of them were made in an era before I was born.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The OP is a re-tread oldie goldie. I'll figger out who she was.

 

[LoveMenLoveSex]

Or a horror fan

"re-tread oldie goldie" ... that's a new one on me. What does it involve?

Ask if you want to know anything. Usually the quickest and least painful way to get answers. It's not a state secret.

 

[LoveMenLoveSex]

Oh please, a link would be great to prove your mettle.


I don't think Horror as a genre is being exploited to its full potential. The director copy-pastes the same formula every fucking where. It just doesn't cut it these days.

Take Spielberg's "Aliens" for example of different. Silence as a tool of fear has never been used so effectively, if ever. It still gives me the chills when I watch it. There are other movies I'm forgetting, but I'm not that old and most of them were made in an era before I was born.

Do you mean James Cameron's Aliens or Ridley Scott's Alien? Or Spielberg's Super 8?

Yeah, well, it's not just horror where formula rules and sequels predominate declaring a lack of imagination. Not just the movies either.

The 70's was probably the most prolific for horror films of all types. Horror novels too, not counting science fiction which has always had a side of horror to accompany its prophesies. You've got a glorious mixture of horror, thriller and gore through that decade alone. Hitchcock and film noir provides some serious chills prior to that - human monsters always being the worst anyway.

 

[Sammael Bard]

Do you mean James Cameron's Aliens or Ridley Scott's Alien? Or Spielberg's Super 8?

Yeah, well, it's not just horror where formula rules and sequels predominate declaring a lack of imagination. Not just the movies either.

The 70's was probably the most prolific for horror films of all types. Horror novels too, not counting science fiction which has always had a side of horror to accompany its prophesies. You've got a glorious mixture of horror, thriller and gore through that decade alone. Hitchcock and film noir provides some serious chills prior to that - human monsters always being the worst anyway.

My bad. I had Saving Private Ryan on my head, hence the Spielberg slip. It's Cameron's Avatar. No wait, it's Aliens by Cameron. Yeah, that's it. The last portion of my Draft was inspired by Aliens.

70's was a good decade for the horror to flourish as a genre. Then the lemming herd follows and you have the market flooded with shit. Human monsters are certainly creepy. There's always an unexpected dread unlike the non-human monsters. You know it's one of them, but don't know who. There was this movie Se7en starring Brad Pitt and Freeman. It's not a horror, more like a bland thriller featuring a deluded monster and serial murderer.

I like monsters which don't talk. Like in X-Men: Days of Future Past. Those Sentinels were creepy, especially when they start killing everyone without uttering a single word all the while. I hate to see superheroes die, so the last scenes were painful to watch.

 

[LoveMenLoveSex]

Seven wasn't a bad film, it's just the writer was too enamoured with his deadly sins and didn't put a great deal of thought into the psychology of the killer. Kevin Spacey's absent smiles did more for the character than the script did.

Alien, directed by Ridley Scott, was a classic horror film that was treated partly as a character study and psychological thriller. Seven people in a location that could not be escaped, couldn't be brightly lit and a monster they knew nothing about, although the real monster was waiting for them back home. Cameron's sequel was a great shoot-'em-up action film but what followed that were ludicrous disasters. If you haven't seen it, you should. The monster never utters a word

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Or a horror fan

"re-tread oldie goldie" ... that's a new one on me. What does it involve?

Ask if you want to know anything. Usually the quickest and least painful way to get answers. It's not a state secret.

SAFEBET^^^^^^

 

[sr71plt]

Are there any SEX WITH MIDGETS stories at LIT? I doubt it.

I wrote and published one a few years ago, but it's so grotesque that I've held back from posting it to Literotica. Which, I suppose, supports your point.

 

[oggbashan]

Midgets?

Start of jeanne's midget story:

https://www.literotica.com/s/pantomime-dwarf-pt-01

First Tripletit story:

https://www.literotica.com/s/tripletit

 

[RailRoader]

You should take out the time and see some old horror movies sometimes. The only use of women cast is to be paralysed and scream their lungs out at anything that moves. It's really frustrating these days to see inaction like that.

Don't forget the twisted ankle, which invariably forces the young, muscular, articulate, clean-shaven hero to carry her to safety.

 

[sr71plt]

Don't forget the twisted ankle, which invariably forces the young, muscular, articulate, clean-shaven hero to carry her to safety.

While he has a bullet in his leg.

 

[LoveMenLoveSex]

While he has a bullet in his leg.

What ... that's unrealistic?!?!?!?!

 

[RailRoader]

What ... that's unrealistic?!?!?!?!

Not at all. In fact, it was part of my Boy Scout training, many moons ago. But you had to do it on a mountain during a blizzard for the merit badge.

 

[LoveMenLoveSex]

I thought that badge was for carrying a woman and two children up the mountain in the blizzard after being bitten twice by a snake?

 

[DesEsseintes]

Is this the line for hero badges?

Mine's got water-damage.

 

[Crazy_Christine]

Clarification

. . . between reality and fantasy has been suggested in many of the responses. My query goes to which was the original question directed? Aren't we all searching to develop the attributes that the other sex would find most attractive? On some level isn't that why we read these stories?

 

[sr71plt]

Sadly, I don't think so. I think a good three-quarters of the readers think they are the cat's whiskers already and the answer to every [insert preferred prey's] prayer.

 

[LoveMenLoveSex]

Well, perhaps for creating fictional worlds and characters that are going to resonate and appeal beyond a single reading. Although my original question was in relation to how memorable is it for anyone to see a major character just sketched in, in any kind of entertainment?

Looking at porn, as an example, it's fairly simple to see that any characters and any 'story' involved is designed to get to the action as fast as possible and then focus on the action for as long as possible. That's fine for what it is and what it's trying to do, as I've mentioned above, and that relates to the shorter, intense descriptions of sex in the stories here on this site as well.

What didn't relate was the longer stories, attempting to show a development of one character (change of life, bereavement, rite of passage or whatever) that kept the 'sketch' for the second (often, but not always female) character as if a pretty face, great body and damaged/needy or just plain personality-less woman was a fine partner for the angsty yet manly narrator or protagonist. The prevalence of such stories and the popularity of them simply made me wonder if in a fictional account or even a real world situation, men do prefer a "simple" partner, one that doesn't challenge or share the workload, one that surrenders or submits gracefully to the decisions of others, one that appears to be the epitomy of a Stepford Wife. It's not just the personality of these characters is skimped on either - there are usually no scenes showing the growing relationship, exploring the things that the protagonist could find lastingly attractive or intriguing or even interesting about the person.

They are, I guess, the male version of the female's boring romance standby, a Mills & Boon novel. The hero is drawn with just enough good traits to be appealing with, if the author is reasonably skilled, a few memorable quirks. The focus is on the female's emotions and doubts and fears which the male soothes and wipes away through a combination of strength, money and power. It's formulaic in the extreme and a blatant Cinderella fantasy. Does it require intelligence, gumption, courage or compassion to win these stalwart men? Nope. Just a demure and beautiful appearance, some kind of problem that can't be solved by a woman and heaving breasts on cue, it seems.

So it is with the stories that pass as 'romance' here too, but perversely, following the same rules! The man has the focus but the female still requires nothing more than the above to be considered 'the love of his life' ...

It's fantasy, of course. Why introduce differing opinions, different life experiences etc into a fantasy?

Millions of women are having plastic surgery (and some percentage of guys too, right?) in order to achieve what they believe is becoming what the other sex finds most attractive. It's packaging but packaging is all that seems to matter. I read somewhere that some deluded Asian lady spent years and thousands in an attempt to have herself recreated as Jessica Alba, her boyfriend's favourite actress. She didn't quite succeed, of course, and he left for someone else a month or two later. What could have been going through her head? Nothing, I guess. Falling in love might start with outward appearance, but it doesn't hold for too long and conversely the very act of falling in love with someone gradually enhances their appearance anyway. Is anyone interested in the person at all? In their thoughts? In their convictions and principles and how they deal with the world? One cannot assume so from the fantasies played out.

Here endeth the rant. It's not so much about real life as how fiction mirrors real life and shows desires that are pooh-poohed but nevertheless there, waiting under the surface. What do we covet? How do we begin to covet? What we see everyday. (Sorry, Hannibal). It's just not all that impressive.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

Aren't we all searching to develop the attributes that the other sex would find most attractive? On some level isn't that why we read these stories?

Not to be overly pointed, but if you're leading Literotica to find out how to attract the opposite sex, you're likely to go far, far astray. Or get very depressed.

By way of simplification, to attract a man as a woman:
1. Be gorgeous. If you can manage this the rest of the list is optional.
2. Be horny and accomplished in bed. It doesn't replace beauty, but it helps.
You can add things about personality and accomplishments here as you like, but a lot of guys find that optional if you have 1 and/or 2.

To attract a woman as a man:
1. Be rich. If you have this, the rest of the list is optional.
2. Pay attention to her like nothing else exists. No woman will resist this.
3. Be extremely social and outgoing.
4. Get good at making women laugh.
5. Be faithful to her alone, so far as she knows.
6. Be arrogant and adorable by turns.
If you don't have 1, 2-6 are all essential.

Literotica will teach you the first list, but you won't learn much about the second list.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

So it is with the stories that pass as 'romance' here too, but perversely, following the same rules! The man has the focus but the female still requires nothing more than the above to be considered 'the love of his life' ...

As someone who tries to write interesting female characters with realistic personalities, I can tell you why writing real and complex female characters is unusual - it's damn hard. With a man you can fall back on a few stereotypes and it mostly works - men are simply simpler creatures in many ways; the stereotypes tend to be *accurate*, and hence believable. But even in the narrow band of female characters I write about - 20's and interested in submission - personalities rapidly get intricate. I'm told I've done well at it (or at least, women who self-identify as submissive generally say so) but it's never a trivial effort.

 

[JackLuis]

If you don't have 'attractive' characters you loose readers, is the conventional wisdom.

If you focus on the 'inner' character and don't buff them up so much it is hard to get people excited.

Everybody seems to love Drama.

 

[RailRoader]

In this context, I think it's the desire for a quick fix; no need to develop the characters too far, since it might take all of 15 minutes to finish the story.
I try to make it as believable as I can within the obvious limitations and actually had one reader complain about that. Apparently it took too long to get the Main Event.
Ya can't please everyone...

 

[sr71plt]

So, if I always name my protagonist Drama, I'll always win with the readers(?)