A rare Trump vs. MAGA disagreement

[Bn2f]

I don't usually put people on Ignore, but if you want to get personal, you can fuck right off.

I can think of nothing more personal than a woman, including your mother, having autonomy over her own body.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I can think of nothing more personal than a woman, including your mother, having autonomy over her own body.

There's that line where the baby is viable, and that's where the birthing person's autonomy ceases under most circumstances. Or should cease. You can do what you like to yourself, but when it's another life, your rights do not supersede the baby's.

 

[ll74]

There's that line where the baby is viable, and that's where the birthing person's autonomy ceases under most circumstances. Or should cease. You can do what you like to yourself, but when it's another life, your rights do not supersede the baby's.

Viability was the line when Roe was the accepted precedent.

It no longer is.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

There's that line where the baby is viable, and that's where the birthing person's autonomy ceases under most circumstances. Or should cease. You can do what you like to yourself, but when it's another life, your rights do not supersede the baby's.

The Torah says human life begins when the baby draws its first breath. Until then the life of the mother takes priority. If you have other beliefs, you're welcome to follow them when you're pregnant, but don't impose your religion on others.

 

[jaF0]

^^^ What's the earliest 'preemie' ever born alive, whether or not it survived?

 

[Bn2f]

Genesis 2:7, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being.”

 

[adrina]

Honestly the only role religion should play in the abortion discussion is what you choose personally based on your religion. I don't care if the Flying Spaghetti Monster mandates abortions. I don't follow the Flying Spaghetti Monster and what it thinks is irrelevant to me and for anyone who does not share that belief.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Honestly the only role religion should play in the abortion discussion is what you choose personally based on your religion. I don't care if the Flying Spaghetti Monster mandates abortions. I don't follow the Flying Spaghetti Monster and what it thinks is irrelevant to me and for anyone who does not share that belief.

100%. Religion should play no role whatsoever on medical decisions except on a personal basis for yourself, and yourself alone.

 

[TrailerHitch]

I don't usually put people on Ignore, but if you want to get personal, you can fuck right off.

Get used to it. When they have nothing else left they have to attack you. It's pretty common here, sadly.

 

[ChloeTzang]

The Torah says human life begins when the baby draws its first breath. Until then the life of the mother takes priority. If you have other beliefs, you're welcome to follow them when you're pregnant, but don't impose your religion on others.

Not a question of religion but humanity. Who has the right to take another person's life, and a baby IS a person.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Get used to it. When they have nothing else left they have to attack you. It's pretty common here, sadly.

Oh, it doesn't bother me. It's just bad manners.

 

[YDB95]

and a baby IS a person.

Yes, but an embryo is not a baby.

 

[jaF0]

There are no babies involved in these decisions.

 

[jaF0]

This is the track Chloe is on.

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People around her may have reason to be fearful.

 

[RobDownSouth]

^^^ What's the earliest 'preemie' ever born alive, whether or not it survived?

Don't you read ANY of the OAN clips I send you?

The earliest documented case of viability outside of the womb was 21 weeks, a good two weeks earlier than the usual 23 weeks gestation. The couple did so to please Jesus.

That poor baby had a shitshow of a life. Brain never fully developed. Eyes did not develop (blind from birth). Legs never fully developed. Lungs never fully developed (required breathing assistance the entirety of life).

And it cost the state millions of dollars in medical care to support this Science Fair Exhibit From Hell.

But if you ask conservative Republicans, they will tell you that this is "proof of concept" that some form of life, however shitty, can exist at 21 weeks so that's where ALL limits should take place.

 

[YDB95]

But if you ask conservative Republicans, they will tell you that this is "proof of concept" that some form of life, however shitty, can exist at 21 weeks so that's where ALL limits should take place.

And yet, how much do you want to bet if the mother was their wife or mistress, they would not practice what they preached?

 

[JohnEngelman]

The end goal has always been a national abortion ban.

 

[Aglaopheme]

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Trump paying a bill?

 

[RobDownSouth]

And yet, how much do you want to bet if the mother was their wife or mistress, they would not practice what they preached?

Their policy is VERY clear on this: 'The only "moral abortion" is MY abortion'. That's why clinic protestors march in front of clinics for weeks on end, then sneak their 15 year old in for an abortion, and go back to the picket line the next day.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Interesting.....Christian Nationalists (still conducting business as "Evangelical Christians" for the moment) are supremely pissed off at convicted felon Donald J. Trump's insistence that each state be responsible for their own abortion law. They are furious that this has been codified into a "platform plank" in the Republican "platform" for 2024.

They dare not anger Daddy Trump in any way shape or form, so they are taking out their collective anger on.....Little Marco Rubio?

Little Marco has been one of the few constants in the pro-birth push, he's opposed any abortion for any reason at any time. He pushed the "suffer bitch!" punishments when nobody else would. He was the darling of the pro-birth right.

So the whackadoodles howled in collective agony when Little Marco (who wants to be VP more than ANYTHING) quietly suggested this week that maybe Daddy Trump had a good point and individual states should ban or not ban abortion.

JUDAS! TRAITOR TO DER REICH! Errybody hatez Little Marco now, and his sudden radioactive toxicity on the national stage may have Trump leaving him to twist in the wind.

 

[YDB95]

Their policy is VERY clear on this: 'The only "moral abortion" is MY abortion'. That's why clinic protestors march in front of clinics for weeks on end, then sneak their 15 year old in for an abortion, and go back to the picket line the next day.

I've seen it happen. Probably everyone who's done clinic defense has seen it happen.

 

[TrailerHitch]

The abortion debate should be simple but it's not. Religion, politics, personal opinions, all get in the way of rational thought. If you have no personal stake in the abortion, mother or biological father, mind your own damn business. In the end it does not affect you. You can believe or not believe in abortion but you have no right to restrict someone else's legally approved choices.

 

[JustKjell]

Not to be a stickler but should we leave politics out of lit? Or at least have a separate group for it? One thing I NEVER discuss with clients when I'm working is politics.

Dunno, just my two cents.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Not to be a stickler but should we leave politics out of lit? Or at least have a separate group for it? One thing I NEVER discuss with clients when I'm working is politics.

Dunno, just my two cents.

You do realize the topic you are in is called the Politic Board. seems pretty damn clear.

 

[JustKjell]

You do realize the topic you are in is called the Politic Board. seems pretty damn clear.

Fair enough. My bad. It's been a long day. Carry on, nothing to see here!