A Taxation/Constitutional question.

[SebastianHolt]

You really ARE an idiot, aren't you?

do you have a better idea on what we can do with career criminals? my first option is to shoot them after their 3rd felony

 

[SebastianHolt]

Correction: we need prison work as a source of free labor. We also need it to put downward pressure on the wages of workers producing essentially the same product outside the penal system.

we don't need free labor, just need to make career criminals' lives extremely miserable in prison

 

[SebastianHolt]

You really ARE an idiot, aren't you?

I'm the most smartest person that you know and most likely the wealthiest

 

[SebastianHolt]

Those programs exist as a safety net to those who are unfortunate and find themselves unable to work because of disability or age.



This is a HORRIFIC idea. You do not give the power of revenue generation to those who have the power and authority to imprison anyone. Well, not unless you want the Sheriff of Nottingham to be a real person instead of fictional character.

state and federal pensions are overkill

 

[SebastianHolt]

How about regulating compensation of the ultra rich / CEOs:

Search Assist

The U.S. does not regulate CEO compensation as strictly as some other nations due to different cultural perspectives on wealth accumulation, tax policies, and the belief in market-driven pay structures. This results in American CEOs often earning significantly more than their counterparts in Europe and other regions, where regulations may cap salaries relative to employee wages.



Food for thought…



We. Told. Them. So.

How can anyone justify the government setting salary/bonus computation on the free market?

 

[Wilson23]

I'm the most smartest person that you know and most likely the wealthiest

You're not even smart by the standards of this board.

 

[Wilson23]

do you have a better idea on what we can do with career criminals? my first option is to shoot them after their 3rd felony

In Europe they have prisons so minimum-security that the inmates are not even fenced in -- and that WORKS. The inmates do not leave without permission, and there is little recidivism.

 

[SebastianHolt]

Nobody can seem to find anything worth cutting -- not even DOGE could.

we need to 86 welfare and cut government salaries by at least 40% (except for police and military)

 

[SebastianHolt]

You're not even smart by the standards of this board.

Please, I have yet to find someone on par with little ole me.

 

[SebastianHolt]

In Europe they have prisons so minimum-security that the inmates are not even fenced in -- and that WORKS. The inmates do not leave without permission, and there is little recidivism.

clearly America has people with zero self-control and they ALWAYS make the wrong decision so it would NEVER work in America.

***Just to be clear, we are over flowing with human trash

 

[Wilson23]

we need to 86 welfare and cut government salaries by at least 40% (except for police and military)

No country ever tried that kind of experiment without it leading to disaster.

 

[SebastianHolt]

Can anybody answer the question: Would it be constitutionally allowable for a US Federal government to introduce a sales tax, for example, in the form of a Value added tax (VAT)?

Sales taxes such as VAT are generally the province of the separate states but is there any legal impediment to the Feds acting similarly.

I do not want to know whether a Federal Sales tax would be either a good or a bad thing, just whether it might be legally possible. Thanks.

They tried 'Vat Tax' before... ten dollars, if anyone can currently? I'll give you a clue: the governor has more oil on his hair than Pee Wee Herman in a movie theater. State of CA failed miserably (but isn't this a given that the state fails at everything) with their VAT Tax

 

[SebastianHolt]

No country ever tried that kind of experiment without it leading to disaster.

The state of Illinois is about to die due to its disastrous pension program. Talk about greed, they make Bernie Madoff look look like an honest boy scout

 

[Wilson23]

we don't need free labor, just need to make career criminals' lives extremely miserable in prison

You see there? That is NOT you being SMART. That is you being the loud mean stupid ignorant drunk Archie Bunker at the end of the bar.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

we don't need free labor, just need to make career criminals' lives extremely miserable in prison

Paying no wages won't promote misery? Or do we just put them on the rack 24/7? What's the grand idea here?

 

[Lazaran]

How can anyone justify the government setting salary/bonus computation on the free market?

How can anyone NOT??? (and many countries already have rules & regulations regarding CEO compensation).



Side note:

You can’t spell “Brainless Sociopath” without “Sebastian Holt”



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[Venefica]

You do understand the concept of sarcasm, I take it?

At any rate, I’ve been called worse.

Edit: Spelling.

For me, detecting sarcasm in a foreign language is not always successful ...

 

[Holy_Seduction]

For me, detecting sarcasm in a foreign language is not always successful ...

Perhaps . . . but sarcasm in ANY language amuses me MORE than it SHOULD.

The point I made about free labor? Slavery was once an institution in the US. Not our proudest moment here.

The other matter about free prison labor pushing down wages outside the industrial private prison complex is a very real social menace. Of course from the ruling class perspective, it’s simple economics.

Crossing linguistic barriers is no small feat. Good on you for doing so! Thank-you for the patience and the opportunity to clear myself.

Be well!

 

[Wilson23]

For me, detecting sarcasm in a foreign language is not always successful ...

Is Latin one of your languages?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venefica_(sorceress)

 

[Venefica]

I had Latin at school, yes, but forgot most of it already.

 

[SebastianHolt]

You're not even smart by the standards of this board.

I will take that as a compliment, as I've been very blessed while most of you here are middle-class. most of ya'll can't go a month without a paycheck

 

[SebastianHolt]

Can anybody answer the question: Would it be constitutionally allowable for a US Federal government to introduce a sales tax, for example, in the form of a Value added tax (VAT)?

Sales taxes such as VAT are generally the province of the separate states but is there any legal impediment to the Feds acting similarly.

I do not want to know whether a Federal Sales tax would be either a good or a bad thing, just whether it might be legally possible. Thanks.

The state of CA implemented a VAT, and it was a disaster. nearly killed the economy

 

[SebastianHolt]

Again, read the damn link.

It does away with payroll taxes.
It does away with taxes on income.
It has a prebate cooked in to address the regressive aspects.
It is a sales tax pure and simple. If you don't buy anything, you don't pay any taxes.

The downfall with a VAT tax is... it hits those who spend. VAT Tax is like wearing a blue dress in the white house

 

[ishtat]

The state of CA implemented a VAT, and it was a disaster. nearly killed the economy

The downfall with a VAT tax is... it hits those who spend. VAT Tax is like wearing a blue dress in the white house

Plenty of countries have implemented VAT quite smoothly. Ca. appears to be an exception.

The fact that VAT is regressive in impacting poorer people more is correct, but it is also the reason why it is inevitable. Federal politicians, whether Democrat, Republican or MAGA are one of the wealthiest sections of society. If they have to raise taxes in the future both parties will tax expenditure in preference to taxing Income or profits. Politicians of all parties will always put their own financial interests ahead of the people.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Plenty of countries have implemented VAT quite smoothly. Ca. appears to be an exception.

The fact that VAT is regressive in impacting poorer people more is correct, but it is also the reason why it is inevitable. Federal politicians, whether Democrat, Republican or MAGA are one of the wealthiest sections of society. If they have to raise taxes in the future both parties will tax expenditure in preference to taxing Income or profits. Politicians of all parties will always put their own financial interests ahead of the people.

This is true and why I favor a National; Sales Tax over the VAT. VAT's are opaque, they are virtually hidden from the public and they are unevenly applied across industrial sectors allowing the politicians to keep picking winners and losers (the source of their insanely accurate stock trades). A NST is transparent and apply evenly across all sectors of the retail economy. The 'prebate' cooked into the Fair Tax goes a long way in cancelling out the regressive portion of those sort of taxes.