A Real Woman Speaks

[Rightguide]

Nobody, to start with. Nobody ever joined the Party with that in mind.

Yes, all of them little angels floating inches off the ground and dripping with the Lord's grace...and then something happened.

 

[YDB95]

You're either uninformed or just not interested in the facts. To re-research all the available cases to prove a point is a monumental task.

No it isn't, because there simply aren't very many transwomen athletes out there (and the ones who do exist do not routinely win every event, thus disproving your whole thesis). Despite what you have obviously been led to believe, there are not multitudes of young men out there choosing to identify as female just to win a swim- or track meet. (And even if there were, they wouldn't be able to just say "I'm a woman" and join the women's team; the transition process takes years.)

It's unfortunate that todays feminist have sacrificed 50 years of gains in women's sports surrendering women's equality in sports at the alter of wokeness disguised as equity for males choosing to identify as female.

Well, it would be if that were anywhere near the truth. Besides, I sincerely doubt you ever supported women's equality in anything. So spare us the crocodile tears.

It's like believing covering oneself with a dress can actually change science (biological reality).

No, it is absolutely nothing like that. You're entitled to your opinion, no matter how bigoted, but not to your alternative facts.

My personal side is in defense of biological females being protected from males disguised as females.

For every case you could hope to find of a transwoman abusing other women (or a man dressed as a woman, which is NOT the same thing), I could undoubtedly find hundreds if not thousands of examples of cis-men abusing women. That would include Clarence Thomas, Brett Kavanaugh, Donald Trump...and we know what you think of them.

It doesn't surprise me that once again you muddy the discussion by playing the role of Mr. Peabody and the wayback machine, steering our conversation back into the 70s.

You're the one who brought up Title IX, and more to the point, you claimed it was something very different from what it really is. Of course I'm going to call you on that. If you didn't like me setting the record straight, you always could have done your own homework before mouthing off about something you obviously knew nothing about.

Many issues have changed since the original introduction of title IX. Let's platform the discussion around 2020 and current issues.

The wording of Title IX has not changed. It doesn't say anything about sex as assigned at birth.

I value the input from the likes of Nancy Mace and Riley Gaines and real world experiences.

The same Riley Gaines who tied for fifth place with a transwoman? Do the math, Icanthelpit: that means four cis-women beat not only Gaines, but also the trans competitor. That defeats your entire freakin' argument, in case you missed it. As for Nancy Mace, she was raped by her cis-male ex-fiance. Transwomen had nothing to do with it.

I agree with all of the above however lacking from that statement is the trans movement and the science.

On the basis of sex! Biology/science over gender preference is being overlooked. Science is not discriminatory. Abnormality should not be accepted as normal whether it be in women's bathrooms, locker rooms or sports or by placing transgender women in female prisons where violence and rape of female prisoners is rampant.

First of all, since when do you care about prisoners' rights? Any time anyone on the left calls for any sort of prison reform, people like you accuse us of coddling criminals. Second, how do you think transwomen who are sent to a men's prison are treated? (The answer is very easy to find, I assure you. Even a Republican could google it.) Third, "abnormality should not be accepted as normal" is exactly how people justified homophobia for decades. I wouldn't be at all surprised if you were among that crowd, as a matter of fact. I think that's the real reason why we're seeing so much transphobia these days: homophobia is no longer acceptable in the mainstream, so the haters have simply moved on to the next target.

I'm not even sure what you mean by "biology/science over gender preference is being overlooked". I do know science has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that gender preference is real, and not a matter of a man putting on a dress so he can win a track meet.

Caitlyn Jenner who is an expert on the subject matter supports a ban on trans women in women sports.

Caitlyn Jenner is a right-wing rube and a useful idiot for people like you.

If you're interested in comments from Riley Gaines, Nancy Mace or Caitlyn Jenner then feel free to look it up yourself.

I'm quite familiar with them all, thank you very much.

Exactly!! That's my point. Transgenderism wasn't an issue back in 1972.

Only because it wasn't widely known or understood then. But that's beside the point. The point is, Title IX does not support your position in any way.

E/O 14168 clarifies the science and directs policy markers to adhere to defending women from gender ideology extremism and restoring biological truth to the federal government.

Nothing Donald Trump has ever done or said could be described as "clarifying science". And didn't you spend four years whining about Biden's executive orders?

I'm sure some activist judge will rule on sections of E/O 14168

"Activist judge" is just right-wing dogwhistle for any judge who cares about civil liberties.

Non sequitur.

Hardly! You kick and scream about "protecting women" while you're also a loyal lapdog for a man who has spent most of his life abusing them. Can't have it both ways.

I have a close friend who transitioned. His transitioning has not changed our friendship. He was tormented by his situation and we discussed his dilemma. I'm actually proud of his courage to make his/her decision which allowed him peace within himself.

But you apparently don't have enough respect to use the right pronouns.

That being said there would be absolutely no way any of my daughters could beat him in any sport. I don't have a beef with Trans women but I do have concerns with violent activist that insist on shoving their lifestyle down your throat

"I don't mind gay people as long as they act straight." That is literally exactly what you sound like here.

There are perverts out there.

I already acknowledged that. It's no excuse for punishing people who just want to change their clothes.

Ya can't help yourself can you? TDS

Physician, heal thyself.

 

[DeluxAuto]

You mean trickle down to little Mogadishu

What?

 

[Wilson23]

Yes, all of them little angels floating inches off the ground and dripping with the Lord's grace...and then something happened.

"There survives somewhere or other an interesting controversy which took place between Wells and Churchill at the time of the Russian Revolution. Wells accuses Churchill of not really believing his own propaganda about the Bolsheviks being monsters dripping with blood, etc., but of merely fearing that they were going to introduce an era of common sense and scientific control, in which flag-wavers like Churchill himself would have no place. Churchill's estimate of the Bolsheviks, however, was nearer the mark than Wells's. The early Bolsheviks may have been angels or demons, according as one chooses to regard them, but at any rate they were not sensible men. They were not introducing a Wellsian Utopia but a Rule of the Saints, which like the English Rule of the Saints, was a military despotism enlivened by witchcraft trials."

-- George Orwell, "Wells, Hitler, and the World State," 1941,

 

[Wilson23]

I don't have a beef with Trans women but I do have concerns with violent activist that insist on shoving their lifestyle down your throat

Oh, like that's the worst thing you've ever had shoved down your throat!

 

[Chadrone]

Fair to be skeptical. But what if epigenetics research is not political.

That would be nice but I find that to be a little overly optomistic about the nobility of science in it's current state which is down at the "Hey....20 dollars is 20 dollars!!" level of things.

What if it’s an honest inquiry into things that are happening in our society today.

In that case I would expect to see significantly less bullying and lording of credentialism for political validation/ condemnation of political positioning. The epigenetics research around neurodivergent kids would be a great example. Nice and DRY....a political ice cube compared to trans stuff and why I think the research around it is much cleaner than the stuff around transgenderism.

As for celebrating and pimping things out I’ve heard exactly one radio segment on epigenetics and had to google for a bit more info-this research isn’t being trotted out in media to make political points. And it’s not making wild claims.

What do you mean? Claiming women can have dicks is a pretty wild claim... it's literally become one of the more hotly contested social beleifs of the last 5 years.

Maybe the specific study or institute you heard about hasn't been doing this and that's fair, but the topic at large is arguably one of the hottist political topics at large and for sure within the biology discipline across academia.

What epigenetics research is doing is trying to understand what happens that some people are gay, bi or transgender, or combination thereof.

Yea, the gay gene. And I think there is a valid reason to be researching that but I also think the idea that the progressive machine is trying to validate itself and keep the funding flowing is a lot more belivable than "Males fucking males is not gay if one identifies as a woman!!"....nope....it's still gay.

They’re not there yet but the analogy is genitalia is formed in the first trimester of pregnancy, sexual identity in the second, and sexual orientation in the third. Mostly things go cis, but every now and then a switch gets thrown in different directions resulting in gay, bi, transgender in whatever combination.


I agree

Travel safe.
Thanks.

Sure, totally believable. I've seen fairly credible research that links it to neurodivergency as well.

That being said, self identity/orientation doesn't change biological reality of what actually is. Males and females are what they are, and no ammount of self ID'ing otherwise will change that they are male or female. I think the delusions around THAT are where the mental illness factor comes in.

 

[Wilson23]

That would be nice but I find that to be a little overly optomistic about the nobility of science in it's current state which is down at the "Hey....20 dollars is 20 dollars!!" level of things.

If you can ever identify an instance where science was corrupted by money, the money will have come from the RW side -- or, more likely, from apolitical business interests.

 

[Wilson23]

What do you mean? Claiming women can have dicks is a pretty wild claim... it's literally become one of the more hotly contested social beleifs of the last 5 years.

Before that, the idea homosexuality is acceptable was hotly contested. This will be resolved the same way.

 

[Chadrone]

Before that, the idea homosexuality is acceptable was hotly contested.
This will be resolved the same way.

Acceptance of behavior isn't the same as acceptance of delusion.

So no it's not.

 

[Wilson23]

Acceptance of behavior isn't the same as acceptance of delusion.

So no it's not.

It will go the same way: The side that takes a more expansive view of human rights and equality will win. That process moves by an irreversible rachet effect.

 

[Chadrone]

It will go the same way:

Already not the observable reality.

The side that takes a more expansive view of human rights and equality will win.

Trans supremacy and forcing people to cater to the mental illness of a microscopic minority....has nothing to do with human rights or equality. Two things you and your side ABSOLUTELY DETEST.

That process moves by an irreversible rachet effect.

In what universe??? There are countless examples of that rachet blowing out and things reversing insanely fuckin' fast. Iran for one obvious example.

 

[jomar]

In that case I would expect to see significantly less bullying and lording of credentialism for political validation/ condemnation of political positioning. The epigenetics research around neurodivergent kids would be a great example. Nice and DRY....a political ice cube compared to trans stuff and why I think the research around it is much cleaner than the stuff around transgenderism.

Epigenetics research around sexuality is pretty dry. It’s not drawing attention to itself but trying understand biological and developmental processes resulting in things.

What do you mean? Claiming women can have dicks is a pretty wild claim... it's literally become one of the more hotly contested social beleifs of the last 5 years.

It is a hot topic. But what I’m talking about is more nuanced which is teasing out what processes occur during pregnancy that leads to who is biologically male but truly has a female gender identity.

Yea, the gay gene. And I think there is a valid reason to be researching that but I also think the idea that the progressive machine is trying to validate itself and keep the funding flowing is a lot more belivable than "Males fucking males is not gay if one identifies as a woman!!"....nope....it's still gay.

Or bi.

Sure, totally believable. I've seen fairly credible research that links it to neurodivergency as well.

That being said, self identity/orientation doesn't change biological reality of what actually is. Males and females are what they are, and no ammount of self ID'ing otherwise will change that they are male or female. I think the delusions around THAT are where the mental illness factor comes in.

Homosexuality was considered a mental disorder until science determined it wasn’t and then it was removed from the DSM. And I think characterizing transgender people as simply self ID’ing misses the whole point of the epigenetics research. It’s not simply self ID’ing, it’s who they are but their genitalia doesn’t match their brain based gender identity that was formed during pregnancy after the genitalia were formed.

 

[Chadrone]

It is a hot topic. But what I’m talking about is more nuanced which is teasing out what processes occur during pregnancy that leads to who is biologically male but truly has a female gender identity.

Maybe. But male is still male.

Homosexuality was considered a mental disorder until science determined it wasn’t and then it was removed from the DSM.

Sure, but homosexuality is not objectively a delusion.

Thinking males can become women, is.

And I think characterizing transgender people as simply self ID’ing misses the whole point of the epigenetics research. It’s not simply self ID’ing, it’s who they are but their genitalia doesn’t match their brain based gender identity that was formed during pregnancy after the genitalia were formed.

Sure... my point is gender ID be it genetic or a psychological dysphoria doesn't overide physiological reality.

XY and born with a penis = male....and nothing can change that.

 

[briancamdudetenger2018]

Libertarians are not liberals.

libertarians are like part of the republicans universe

 

[Wilson23]

Trans supremacy

I once saw a clip of a Southern white preacher in the '60s complaining of "nigra dominion." "Trans supremacy" makes no more sense.

 

[Wilson23]

libertarians are like part of the republicans universe

I've heard them called "Republicans who smoke pot."

 

[Wilson23]

Maybe. But male is still male.



Sure, but homosexuality is not objectively a delusion.

Thinking males can become women, is.
Sure... my point is gender ID be it genetic or a psychological dysphoria doesn't overide physiological reality.

XY and born with a penis = male....and nothing can change that.

That is no more true or credible than classifying Fascism as leftist.

 

[Chadrone]

I once saw a clip of a Southern white preacher in the '60s complaining of "nigra dominion." "Trans supremacy" makes no more sense.

You have to be more than a first order thinker to understand.

I've heard them called "Republicans who smoke pot."

Uh hua.

That is no more true or credible than classifying Fascism as leftist.

Yet the objective reality still stands, that males can't become women and socialism is leftist and fascist are big fans of a collectively controlled/administered means of production, maybe not for the collective YOU approve of, but it's still socialism.

 

[Wilson23]

Yet the objective reality

"Objective reality"?! You couldn't be trusted to say if it's day or night!

 

[LeahWill]

My time today is short

Will everyone who got their hopes up when they first read that please raise their hand...

 

[Chadrone]

"Objective reality"?! You couldn't be trusted to say if it's day or night!

Already did, that's why this is all you have in response.

 

[Chadrone]

Will everyone who got their hopes up when they first read that please raise their hand...

The 'british asian' on another hate spree.....

 

[LeahWill]

The 'british asian' on another hate spree.....

I will put you down as an 'undecided'.

 

[DraggonStone]

The 'british asian' on another hate spree.....

Oh, cool, now that you labeled her, your maggot friends can marginalize her.

 

[jomar]

Sorry for the delay, been on the road.

Sure, but homosexuality is not objectively a delusion. Thinking males can become women, is.

You seem to be missing the point of our epigenetics discussion. Or perhaps you’re conflating that with a larger point you want to make.

Sure... my point is gender ID be it genetic or a psychological dysphoria doesn't overide physiological reality.

XY and born with a penis = male....and nothing can change that.

That’s level one thinking I mentioned. And maybe nothing will change that for a number of folk.

But once epigenetics sorts the sequence and switches, perhaps a persons brain based gender identity, their actual identity and inner experience, will matter as much as their external appearance.

And if that becomes accepted, based on science, then hopefully society will respond positively in way it isn’t now. Clearly, sports and other issues would still need to be settled.