A Veteran Perspective

[ll74]

Two high school friends, both VN combat veterans were on FB yesterday taking heated opposite views on Biden and Trump. It makes me sad to see that. I played football with the one, and know he spent a good bit of time in the V.A. upon his return after his service. My point is veterans, even former friends don't have similar views on our current politics.

Veterans are people. Of course they don't all have the same view.

 

[WillJ8787]

They just dropped $1.5 TRILLION and not a single dime of it went to increasing our service members pay. Meanwhile, the enlisted personnel of the greatest military in the world have to apply for and receive food stamps just to survive.

But, you know, wave a flag for them once a year and call your duty done.

Like I said, I have nothing but disdain for your virtue signalling and I spit in your direction.

You hit on a real issues for sure....enlisted are being treated unfairly...I am all for addressing this issues in all the same ways I'm for civil rights, equity, better pay and living wages for all folks (black, brown, blue, enlisted(green?)).

Talk about.it so we can get your perspective....what you are doing(just like Corncobb) undermines the rest of us understanding where you are coming from.

 

[ll74]

You hit on a real issues for sure....enlisted are being treated unfairly...I am all for addressing this issues in all the same ways I'm for civil rights, equity, better pay and living wages for all folks (black, brown, blue, enlisted(green?)).

Talk about.it so we can get your perspective....what you are doing(just like Corncobb) undermines the rest of us understanding where you are coming from.

He's coming from the "all Democrats are evil and hate everything good in the world" perspective. And so every discussion with him goes directly to that generalization...just like every other Grumpy on this board. #gtievancePorn

 

[JohnnySavage]

I respect the courage that it takes to knowingly risk your life for something that you believe in.

Sadly, soldiers are often the victims of heavy propaganda. They have been convinced that "serving their country" and "protecting their nation" is done in foreign countries that pose little or no threat to us back home. They've been told that their job is noble and the risks they take are for the USA, but in reality, they are pawns of big corporations and geopolitics. They are trained to kill people on behalf of bigger interests that have little to do with the safety of Americans or their freedoms.

So ultimately, veterans were once noble people that lined their road with good intentions and got turned into hired killers. I don't respect that at all.

Are you talking about the Roman Legions

Your point is taken, but such has been the military throughout history. Nobody is being convinced of anything. For you to say so, makes me think that you think our military is full of morons.

Most serve because they need a job, they want an education, or because of family tradition. In my 8 years active and 12 years inactive, I don't recall ever meeting someone that was there for some Rah Rah bullshit.

 

[oggbashan]

...I don't recall ever meeting someone that was there for some Rah Rah bullshit.

In the UK (and the Dominions/Colonies), that applied only in WW1. Before conscription, many hundreds of thousands joined becue they saw it as their duty. After WW1, the experiences of their fathers and grandfathers meant that men joined more reluctantly because they had family experience of what war was really like.

The bullshit was part of a WW1 campaign to increase troop numbers. How effective it was? In retrospect, family pressure might have been more significant, but once the true picture of life on the Western Front began to spread, volunteering dried up.

 

[Dribble]

Are you talking about the Roman Legions

Your point is taken, but such has been the military throughout history. Nobody is being convinced of anything. For you to say so, makes me think that you think our military is full of morons.

Most serve because they need a job, they want an education, or because of family tradition. In my 8 years active and 12 years inactive, I don't recall ever meeting someone that was there for some Rah Rah bullshit.

Exactly...and that free healthcare for life. Show me one other job that provides that.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Exactly...and that free healthcare for life. Show me one other job that provides that.

Only service related disability and retirees with 20 years of service get free healthcare for life.

Pretty much every government job provides the same.

 

[Crownvic]

My grandfather..world war 1....my dad.. world war 2..myself Vietnam vet.....we all came back in one peace...thank God...proud to serve...nuff said!

 

[oggbashan]

My father's family home was destroyed by a Zeppelin bomb in 1915; another part of the family was bombed out in 1940.

Apart from my wife's uncles who died, one uncle was an officer with the Gurkhas fighting the Japanese at Kohima where he was severely injured and his active war ended. Another uncle was with RAF intelligence in the Middle East because he could speak Arabic and several local languages fluently.

My father and his eldest brother were very active in the supply chain for D-Day.

One of my father's Australian friends was the youngest of five brothers who fought in WW1. Two brothers died at Gallipoli; two on the Western Front. The last brother survived WW1 to be a civilian in WW2 supplying troops in New Guinea. His supply column was attacked by the Japanese and he grabbed a Bren gun from a deceased soldier and fought off the Japanese. He was criticised for fighting even though he was a civilian and had been discharged from Australia's reserve forces in 1928. he claimed he was in uniform because he was wearing his WW1 AIF slouch hat, and anyway the Japanese didn't care who they were shooting at... He avoided court-martial but wasn't given a medal although he should have been. Instead, he had free beer for the rest of his life in the local RSL (returned Servicemen's League).

 

[oggbashan]

One of my neighbours, now deceased, was a major in the Royal Engineers on D-Day. He was injured on Day 1 while clearing a safe route off Gold Beach. He was returned to the UK to go to hospital.

He returned to his unit just before the Rhine crossings and was injured again. That was the end of his active war, but he was given the MC.

He used to claim that his war lasted just two days but they were important days. It wasn't wholly true. he spent months training his men for both actions, but yes, his active days under fire were just two.

 

[CornusKousa]

#grievancePorn

FACTS.

When he doesn't reduce the budget for veterans and instead increases it every year, you'll never admit that you were wrong

There was never anything to be wrong about, just a hypothetical that shows the (D)'eez hatred for the USA.

Take your grievance to another thread fuckhead

Comrade is upset I point out how much he actually hates the USA.

 

[KeithD]

They just dropped $1.5 TRILLION and not a single dime of it went to increasing our service members pay. Meanwhile, the enlisted personnel of the greatest military in the world have to apply for and receive food stamps just to survive.

Well, that's an idiotic post. The just-past bill is the infrastructure piece of the legislation the current administration is trying to get passed. Such things as support of service members pay is in the social services piece that the legislators and party you are peddling are preventing from even coming to the floor.

You're not too bright, are you?

 

[CornusKousa]

Well, that's an idiotic post. The just-past bill is the infrastructure piece of the legislation the current administration is trying to get passed. Such things as support of service members pay is in the social services piece that the legislators and party you are peddling are preventing from even coming to the floor.

You're not too bright, are you?

Flat out lies.... service members pay comes out of the DoD budget, not in any equity seeking socialist bullshit you anti-American fuckwits are pushing.

An easily googleable fact.

You're not too bright, are you??

 

[ll74]

FACTS.



There was never anything to be wrong about, just a hypothetical that shows the (D)'eez hatred for the USA.



Comrade is upset I point out how much he actually hates the USA.

Upset that you feel the need to be an ass on a thread that is not about your political grievances.

Once again, fuck off

 

[CornusKousa]

Upset that you feel the need to be an ass on a thread that is not about your political grievances.

Once again, fuck off

You brought it up.....

https://www.stonekettle.com/2021/11/how-heroes-die-veterans-day-2021.html - disclaimer - the veteran is not me. I did not serve. I am a member of Team RWB that is meant to support veterans.


I have nothing but gratitude for people who served. I honestly feel like it's demanded that we make a huge statement expressing that gratitude, which I feel cheapens the whole sentiment....so I'm less likely to be the one to thank every one I see, not because that gratitude doesn't exist, but because those veterans I know, know about my gratitude....I participate in events meant to help veterans with suicide prevention, financial relief, or just friendly gatherings. Those who don't know me, I don't think they really care whether I give them the "thank you for your service"

To each their own. I enjoy hearing from veterans from all perspectives.

I hope that every veteran has the chance to enjoy a day of gratitude and appreciation - whether it be a day off doing nothing or participation in an event with others, such as an honor run.

 

[ll74]

You brought it up.....

I brought up veterans. You brought the whine.

 

[pecksniff]

FACTS.



There was never anything to be wrong about, just a hypothetical that shows the (D)'eez hatred for the USA.



Comrade is upset I point out how much he actually hates the USA.

Even if the Dems were what you say they are, how would they hate the USA? No Bolshevik hated Russia.

 

[CornusKousa]

I brought up veterans. You brought the whine.

You brought up veterans and American values.

I pointed out how much you hate the later undermining your alleged support for the former.

Even if the Dems were what you say they are, how would they hate the USA? No Bolshevik hated Russia.

Yea, go scream "war is peace and ignorance is strength!!" some more... I'll believe you unlike the first 10,000 times you've made such absurd claims.

 

[pecksniff]

Yea, go scream "war is peace and ignorance is strength!!" some more...

That was dumb first time you used it and gets no smarter with repetition.

 

[KeithD]

Flat out lies.... service members pay comes out of the DoD budget, not in any equity seeking socialist bullshit you anti-American fuckwits are pushing.

An easily googleable fact.

You're not too bright, are you??

The DOD budget comes from several areas. Servicemen's pay is not infrastructure. It's not bridges and roads and broadband.

You idiots screwed up by opposing this and your guys voted against both this and what you're advocating in your posts. You're just screwed up.

 

[ll74]

You brought up veterans and American values.

I pointed out how much you hate the later undermining your alleged support for the former.



Yea, go scream "war is peace and ignorance is strength!!" some more... I'll believe you unlike the first 10,000 times you've made such absurd claims.

Whiny little bitch can't have a civil comment when everyone else is playing nice

What a fucking shocker

 

[CornusKousa]

That was dumb first time you used it and gets no smarter with repetition.

It's still spot on. You're just point blank lying.

You might as well be saying "2+2=5".

The DOD budget comes from several areas. Servicemen's pay is not infrastructure. It's not bridges and roads and broadband.

Another easily dismissed lie.... the DOD budget comes from the National Defense Authorization Act.

Infrastructure and social welfare bills have NOTHING to do with it, you were just point blank wrong and are trying to lie again to pretend you weren't full of shit earlier.

You were wrong then, you're wrong again..... no amount of bullshiting is going to make you right, might as well just start calling me a racist/white nationalist/ Nazi because that's the only card you've got left.

You idiots screwed up by opposing this and your guys voted against both this and what you're advocating in your posts. You're just screwed up.

No.... you're the only one who's screwed up.

 

[CornusKousa]

Whiny little bitch can't have a civil comment when everyone else is playing nice

What a fucking shocker

Hard to take your "playing" nice seriously when you are otherwise openly and adamantly against American values,

Kinda hard to take the patriotism of someone who is against life, liberty and my pursuit of happiness very seriously.

You say you're team RWB but did you ever stop to consider what that actually means??

Do you think subverting our civil rights, rule of law, borders and heavy restriction of freedom in favor of centralized federal control and authority to create more equal life outcomes for all is what the USA is all about??

Because that's what you support.... that's what the (D)'eez official platform is all about. Racial equity!!

The USA I grew up in was all about civil rights, rule of and equality under law, pursuing your happiness......... not pursuing racial equity and the ultimate nanny state.

 

[ll74]

Hard to take your "playing" nice seriously when you are otherwise openly and adamantly against American values, ...........

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#grievancePorn

 

[Fuzzy1975]

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You are an American right?

Are you not speaking of values, which you hold dear as an American?


As they say...idiots gota idiot....