A Woman's Rights to Her Own Body

[gotsnowgotslush]

Representative Jim Buchy is a longtime proponent of restricting women’s access to abortion — in 2012, he told Al Jazeera that his ultimate goal is to ban abortion completely in the State of Ohio. Then, the reporter asked him an interesting question: “What do you think makes a woman want to have an abortion?”

He pauses. Then he says, “Well, there’s probably a lot of reas— I’m not a woman.” He laughs. “I’m thinking now if I’m a woman why would I want to get … Some of it has to do with economics. A lot of it has to do with economics. I don’t know. It’s a question I’ve never even thought about.”

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/12/ohio-lawmaker-never-thought-about-why-women-get-abortions.html

gsgs comment-

Hundreds of women have testified before congress about their individual situations. These women made themselves vulnerable, in order to give the men and women that make the decisions, access to some feedback.

Just guess, who was not listening ?

"The 6 week ban could prevent women from getting abortions as early as six weeks into a pregnancy; this is before some women even know that they are pregnant. This bill could take away a woman’s right to make her own medical decisions before she would have known she had a decision to make. The legislation also would enforce penalties for physicians who provide abortion. The 20-week abortion ban contains no exceptions for irreversible fetal anomalies, rape, incest, or mental health concerns of the woman."

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-gag-rule-kasich-doesnt-want-talk-about


FitzGerald’s policy observation was correct: Kasich imposed a policy in which counselors at rape-crisis clinics are legally prohibited from referring victims to abortion providers, even though terminating an unwanted pregnancy is still legal. The governor has not explained why such a gag rule is necessary, and when Plain Dealer editors tried to get an answer, Kasich would only say he’s “pro-life” – which is not a substantive explanation for the policy.

“Why is it pro-life to have a gag rule for a rape-crisis counselor,” FitzGerald asked. “If the woman is pregnant because of a rape, why is that pro-life?”

Kasich, who says he supports a rape exception to his anti-abortion position, still wouldn’t answer, except to say, “Look, at the end of the day, I’m going to do what I think is a pro-life – you know, looking, being in a position of being pro-life. There’s nothing more I can say about it.”


http://wonkette.com/564760/we-found-you-double-supersecret-video-john-kasich-being-asshat


Kaish, a liar, a coward, a racist, and a heartless S.O.B He does not want the general public to know what he does, and what he is.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

I love how Mr Deer killer is all misty eyed about "life" all of a sudden. Mr Gun enthusiast.


QUOTE=BotanyBoy;82369948]Right.



Ahh you must not have been paying attention any of the 3rd wave feminists in the reports because they all think they have a right to unregulated, on demand, government paid for abortions.

Tell them you're pulling government funding and watch them freak out.

If you don't pay for their abortions you're taking their rights away!!!

Tell them you're going to regulate abortions and you're destroying a womans right to her body~~!!

Just like GSGS has in this thread, BBS, Ladyver, at least limey Sean, LTR, phro, hard Rom, and nearly every other (D) on the board have wailed over on numerous abortion threads.

But I don't have an exact quote so you're right.....so nobody thinks that..... despite the vast majority of them behaving exactly as though they do.[/QUOTE]

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Funny how you're all pro-government intruding into personal lives all of a sudden.

You want the right to regulate women's wombs, but touch your guns and you're all:

http://matterofdegree.webs.com/Screaming%20Baby%20Public%20Domain.jpg

Newsflash: a baby doesn't grow in a Petri Dish

Tell them you're going to regulate abortions and you're destroying a womans right to her body~~!!

:

 

[BotanyBoy]

I love how Mr Deer killer is all misty eyed about "life" all of a sudden. Mr Gun enthusiast.

Funny how you're all pro-government intruding into personal lives all of a sudden.

You want the right to regulate women's wombs, but touch your guns and you're all:

I am in no way any of those things, you just can't read.

I'm in favor of deregulating pretty much everything, including what a person and their HC providers do.

Mostly because I shouldn't have to pay for other peoples fuckin' shit but also because it's none of the governments fuckin' business.



Question is since you guys want MAXIMUM government control in every other aspect of life....why not regulate abortions too?

Why is that the ONE thing that's simply beyond government control?? (but not funding of course!!)

 

[LadyVer]

Look, what know it all jackasses who are proponents of small government and no regulation don't get is that women's reproductive organs are not up for sale, or regulation, by the GOP. There are various reasons why many women need birth control they can't afford that has nothing to do with getting pregnant. There are various reasons why women make a decision to terminate a pregnancy. The US still needs a comprehensive jobs bill that addresses employment and training for the 21st century. The GOP is still stuck on ending abortions and making birth control more expensive because they think this proves how pro-life they are. They do not give a shit about women who suffer because they can't afford the birth control they need.They do not give a shit about women who die because of hospitals who refused to intervene in saving a mother's life. They do not give a shit about how horrendous it is to be raped, they do not give a shit if a baby is born dead or if the baby will have lifelong medical problems. What they give a shit about is proving how religious they are. Fuck them.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Look, what know it all jackasses who are proponents of small government and no regulation don't get is that women's reproductive organs are not up for sale, or regulation, by the GOP.

Why not when EVERYTHING else under the sun is absolutely subject to government micromanagement when (D) is doing it??

From free speech to wiping your own ass Libs recognize the federal authority to regulate all they want in every other instance and encourage MORE regulations in these areas whether they need the regulating or not.

Why is abortion the one thing not subject to liburhul doctrine of government control just because we can???

https://media2.giphy.com/media/MkxZKy77sWoEw/200_s.gif

 

[LadyVer]

No one cares what you think, dipshit. As if your opinions on women and their issues mean jack shit to you, much less that you understand them.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No one cares what you think, dipshit. As if your opinions on women and their issues mean jack shit to you, much less that you understand them.

That's what I thought

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Abortion is not the "one thing."

We don't regulate religion, cancer treatment, college majors, the freakin' fake news streaming 24/7 from right wing nuts or a gazillion other things. And we definitely don't regulate guns.

Your argument is silly and makes no sense.

Why not when EVERYTHING else under the sun is absolutely subject to government micromanagement when (D) is doing it??

From free speech to wiping your own ass Libs recognize the federal authority to regulate all they want in every other instance and encourage MORE regulations in these areas whether they need the regulating or not.

Why is abortion the one thing not subject to liburhul doctrine of government control just because we can???

https://media2.giphy.com/media/MkxZKy77sWoEw/200_s.gif

 

[BotanyBoy]

Abortion is not the "one thing."

Yes it is. It's without question the one thing the modern American left is actually liberal about.

Everything else at least some regulations are ok....but that one is a hot button they don't want anything but the cash to pay for it so they don't have to. Anything else is a fucking war crime against all women.

We don't regulate religion, cancer treatment, college majors, the freaking' fake news streaming 24/7 from right wing nuts or a gazillion other things.

All those things collectively are regulated by hudreds of thousands of pages of laws. not a single one of them is regulation free.

If you think otherwise you are in-fucking-sane.

And we definitely don't regulate guns.

You've obviously never purchased or carried a gun.

There are several hundred federal and a little over a thousand state laws by some of the most conservative estimates out there regulating guns.

In what universe is that unregulated??

Your argument is silly and makes no sense.

Because you are totally detached from reality......

Thanks for helping demonstrate my point by the way.

You don't even recognize the mountains of regulations we have on all our other rights, you want MORE regulations on them but anything short of totally unregulated abortions paid for by the government = war on women and destruction of their right to their own body!

I ask again, why??

Why is abortion the sacred cow that cannot be touched by government regulation when you support regulating and usually taxing the fucking shit out of every thing else under the sun??

 

[JackLuis]

It is pretty simple, women are just like men, individuals. they have the right to do what they want with their own body. If you don't want that wart on your nose, cut it off and no one should be able to tell you you can't. If you don't want a parasite in your belly, remove it.

As for who should pay for it? It is in the interest of the society to make abortion cheap and easy if only to limit the population. Unwanted children grow up to be pains in the social ass. Limiting the number of potential maladjusted asshats is a good thing. We have enough of them as it is!

All the rest is sniveling.

 

[BotanyBoy]

It is pretty simple, women are just like men, individuals. they have the right to do what they want with their own body. If you don't want that wart on your nose, cut it off and no one should be able to tell you you can't. If you don't want a parasite in your belly, remove it.

Yea I got that and I agree.

Question is why is the only time liberals give a shit about individual rights is with abortion?

Not why you think abortion shouldn't be regulated.

As for who should pay for it? It is in the interest of the society to make abortion cheap and easy if only to limit the population.

Anything goes as long as it's for the greater good....

What the fuck happened to the rights of the individual???

Unregulated abortion because individual rights!! Boo government!!

Payment? Fuck the individual!!! TAKE THEIR SHIT FOR THE GREATER GOOD~!!

LOL

All the rest is sniveling.

The rest was the question you tried to dodge because it doesn't have a good answer, not sniveling.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Really

If you don't want to sound like a raving lunatic, explain to me where in the guv'mint they have regulations about the free choices of a college student to choose their course of study, or for anyone to choose their religion. In ways exactly does guv'mint regulate religion?

And btw, there are regulations on abortion. Not as stringent as the wing nutters would like, but there are.

I'll consider a trade

I would ALMOST gladly give up the right to abortion (for the sake of argument) if it is balanced by a complete ban on guns. Well stop killing all the poor little babies if you stop killing.

Yes it is. It's without question the one thing the modern American left is actually liberal about.

Everything else at least some regulations are ok....but that one is a hot button they don't want anything but the cash to pay for it so they don't have to. Anything else is a fucking war crime against all women.



All those things collectively are regulated by hudreds of thousands of pages of laws. not a single one of them is regulation free.

If you think otherwise you are in-fucking-sane.



You've obviously never purchased or carried a gun.

There are several hundred federal and a little over a thousand state laws by some of the most conservative estimates out there regulating guns.

In what universe is that unregulated??



Because you are totally detached from reality......

Thanks for helping demonstrate my point by the way.

You don't even recognize the mountains of regulations we have on all our other rights, you want MORE regulations on them but anything short of totally unregulated abortions paid for by the government = war on women and destruction of their right to their own body!

I ask again, why??

Why is abortion the sacred cow that cannot be touched by government regulation when you support regulating and usually taxing the fucking shit out of every thing else under the sun??

 

[JackLuis]

Yea I got that and I agree.

-

The rest was the question you tried to dodge because it doesn't have a good answer, not sniveling.

What did I dodge? Now you are starting to sound like RU, weak and watery, BB.

 

[AverageGary]

Abortion is a legal right, it should not be free, and like freedom of speech, it should have reasonable restrictions.

We all know that the only method to prevent pregnancies that is 100% effective is abstinence.
So if a woman has sex and the guy uses a condom that breaks or fails, she should not be denied an abortion.
If a woman is on the pill and has sex and gets pregnant, she should not be denied an abortion.
If a woman uses an IUD, sponge or another similar form of contraception and gets pregnant she should not be denied an abortion.

Keep abortion legal until some point in the third trimester. After which it is only permitted if the woman's life is in danger.
Keep it legal in all cases of rape and/or incest.

In Roe v. Wade the court decided it on the concept of a right to privacy. I don't recall if any cases since have tried using a first amendment argument. Different religions view when life begins and when the fetus is it's own individual life differently. To impose an abortion law that says life begins at conception would be imposing one religion's views on everyone, a first amendment violation.

 

[BotanyBoy]

What did I dodge?

Why is abortion the only time the left seems to give a rats ass about an individual rights not being touched by the government??

We don't have a problem not yelling fire in theaters....we don't have a problem banning guns or stripping people of their 4A rights with the PATRIOT act. ohhh yea Obama was GREATEST for doing that!! No fucking problem at all!

But as soon as an (R) suggest maybe we shouldn't do late term abortions? OMG CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY!! Every dilvery room should have a nurse with a bolt gun just in case the woman chooses to opt out at the last second!!!

Now you are starting to sound like RU, weak and watery, BB.

If that's the case you should have no problem explaining this fundamental philosophical inconsistency. Or at least owning up to the fact that anti-regulation stance is a totally abnormal stance for the left to have on ANYTHING.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Really

If you don't want to sound like a raving lunatic, explain to me where in the guv'mint they have regulations about the free choices of a college student to choose their course of study

The colleges themselves are regulated by the government by many hundreds if not thousands of laws + the DOE's mandates issued to colleges under those laws.

or for anyone to choose their religion. In ways exactly does guv'mint regulate religion?

Can't do any number of things for your religion.

The Bible commands leaders of household stone insolent children and women....we don't do that. No go.

Animal/human sacrifices, no go.

Sex rituals involving force or children....no go.

Polygamy....no go.

Should I go on??

And btw, there are regulations on abortion. Not as stringent as the wing nutters would like, but there are.

I never said there wasn't.

I would ALMOST gladly give up the right to abortion (for the sake of argument) if it is balanced by a complete ban on guns. Well stop killing all the poor little babies if you stop killing.

I don't give a fuck if you kill your kids, in fact I encourage it.

 

[about_average]

Tell them you're pulling government funding and watch them freak out.

There isn't any federal funding for abortion.

Tell them you're going to regulate abortions and you're destroying a womans right to her body~~!!

"Going to"? Abortion is already regulated.

We don't regulate religion, cancer treatment, college majors, the freakin' fake news streaming 24/7 from right wing nuts or a gazillion other things. And we definitely don't regulate guns.

That's complete BS.
Show me a single state that doesn't have gun regulations.

That's as stupid a statement as people saying there's no abortion regulation or we have "abortion on demand".

 

[BotanyBoy]

There isn't any federal funding for abortion.

Didn't say there was.

"Going to"? Abortion is already regulated.

Yea.

Your point?

 

[about_average]

Didn't say there was.

So you can't pull something that doesn't exist. No one would scream if you told them you were "pulling" funding.

ea.

Your point?

If you told them you were "going to" regulate abortion they'd laugh at you like you were an idiot.

So really, neither of your statements had a point.

 

[srgreene]

If Kasich agrees with that assessment, he may very well sign this bill and start the process of dismantling not just abortion rights, but the long-standing judicial tradition of respecting precedent.


http://www.salon.com/2016/12/07/dest...-punish-women/

Less than six weeks, before a woman loses the chance to legally abort a fetus?

Of a matter of course, the premise for the loss, is a lie.

The fetus does not have a developed heart, at that stage.

But it is human life, and you should recognize that. A developed heart is purely an anatomical "detail" and, actually, in a developing fetus, there is a lot of neuronal development before the heart takes final form. I have to wonder how developed your heart is.

FWIW, Roe v Wade was atrocious legal reasoning- a classic case of the Supremes creating law.

Not that I am in any position to be critical of women who go that route: I had an abortion when I was 15. I have had regrets most of my adult life.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So you can't pull something that doesn't exist. No one would scream if you told them you were "pulling" funding.

Are you seriously saying that the Federal government is the only source of government funding and that no states provide any funding to PP or other family planning organizations/institutions of any kind?

Even if none of them ever got a single penny of tax payers money a politician just saying they were going to cut them off from funding (that already didn't exist) would cause a shit storm among the "on demand totally unregulated abortion or misogyny!!" crowd. GSGS, ladyVer, limey Sean and more would be OUTRAGED!!!

It's already happened, people on this very thread have bemoaned the fact that republicans not wanting to pay for BC/Abortions is running the cost up!!

But just ignore that.....ignore all the other lunatic feminist who directly claim they have a right to other peoples money because they can't handle adulting.

If you told them you were "going to" regulate abortion they'd laugh at you like you were an idiot.

Funny they seem to have a serious fucking problem with it here in this very thread and about 1000 others (if not more) between this board and the GB bitching every time a republican says they are going to regulate abortion.

Care to explain that?

Or maybe the original question that's got everyone so fucking bent, why is the control freak left so hysterically anarcho-libertarian when it comes to abortion.... but not ANY other rights???

So really, neither of your statements had a point.

Just because you wish to ignore the point doesn't mean it isn't there.

 

[BotanyBoy]

FWIW, Roe v Wade was atrocious legal reasoning-

How so?

a classic case of the Supremes creating law.

They didn't create any law at all, they upheld the Constitutionally protected right to be treated equally under the law.

Medical privacy laws apply to everyone....pregnant women aren't, nor should they be excluded from that protection.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

a) slightly misses the point.

The government can't tell you to be Christian or Muslim or Quaker or whatever. Or where you can meet or how often. This equals = freedom of religion. You are free to choose your own religion.

b.) Now as to point 2. Seriously, I want to be clear.

There's Biblical law, and then anything else is "government regulations?"

WHat about the fact that different religions have different books and laws? How are people supposed to live together? Who decides?

The colleges themselves are regulated by the government by many hundreds if not thousands of laws + the DOE's mandates issued to colleges under those laws.

c.) And if I belonged to a religion that said Abortion was fine and all white men are full of shit and should be shot with their own guns?


Can't do any number of things for your religion.

The Bible commands leaders of household stone insolent children and women....we don't do that. No go.

Animal/human sacrifices, no go.

Sex rituals involving force or children....no go.

Polygamy....no go.

Should I go on??



I never said there wasn't.



I don't give a fuck if you kill your kids, in fact I encourage it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

a) slightly misses the point.

The government can't tell you to be Christian or Muslim or Quaker or whatever. Or where you can meet or how often. This equals = freedom of religion. You are free to choose your own religion.

That doesn't mean you aren't regulated because you are not free to fully exorcise your belief in really any religion because they all have things that violate others rights and thus would be illegal.

Your religious freedoms are regulated, they have limits.

All your rights are regulated and have limits, the "liberal" left LOVE limiting and regulating them.

Except abortion.....that one they go full on libertarian anarchist on.

b.) Now as to point 2. Seriously, I want to be clear.

There's Biblical law, and then anything else is "government regulations?"

I didn't say that or anything remotely close to it.

I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about....