About the Border Wall

[HisArpy]

A border without a country, is not a border.

Oh that's deep man. Really deep.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Mexico will pay for the wall. And every other foreign country will also contribute.

They'll do this through the gov accounting dept and/or changes in foreign aid/tariff's/etc to offset the direct costs.

Have you seen a plan that supports this?

It's been a talking point in the debate more than a few times.

Interestingly enough, the other day Trump mentioned having the military build it if Paleosi's House won't fund it. Which is something I brought up awhile back and most dismissed.

Have you found anything to support your unsupported theory?

 

[HisArpy]

Have you found anything to support your unsupported theory?

Apparently you missed this:

Originally Posted by HisArpy View Post

It's been a talking point in the debate more than a few times.

Not that it's unexpected since the now obvious real purpose of the thread is to bash Trump despite your disclaimer in the OP.

 

[Wok]

Setting aside all theatrics with Trump right now, what are we going to do about the wall? Can Republicans allow themselves to let the government burden us with the full cost?

I heard Mexico was going to pay for it.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Apparently you missed this:

Not that it's unexpected since the now obvious real purpose of the thread is to bash Trump despite your disclaimer in the OP.

That's less than water cooler talk. Not only that, the original questions is: "Setting aside all theatrics with Trump right now, what are we going to do about the wall? Can Republicans allow themselves to let the government burden us with the full cost?"

 

[Kirkrapine]

Trump is right on this issue . . .

He is wrong in assuming a wall could accomplish anything a fence wouldn't. For that matter, he is wrong in assuming illegal immigration is a problem.

. . . and if it takes closing the government down....do it, sobeit. I don't need a government to behave in a civilized manner, do you?

For some reason, the people always hate it when the government shuts down.

 

[CandiCame]

It's not going to impact any government employee's paycheck moron, they get it all back. And if a few government employees are inconvenienced, tough shit.

Yeah this is a great time to stop paying the forest service. It's a great time to stop paying the transit employees.

It's not like there's a foot of fucking snow on the ground and I live in the woods. It's not like Cali's in the middle of a clusterfuck of old-ass testimate biblical proportions. I guess we're in a situation where the federal government is all, "Well the hurricanes will put out the fires".

We live in a capitalist society, comrade. If we don't pay these people they won't work. I'm so sick of republicans pulling these, "Give us what we want or we walk" bullshit. I'm all for strikes when it actually accomplishes something- but no one wants this fucking wall. It'll fuck up the environment, it'll go right through native land, and it won't do a goddamn thing to combat immigration because why the fuck would it? There's been no evidence to that effect. The whole thing is fucking stupid. And everyone knows it's fucking stupid.

It's so frustrating because it really is one of those things that the people who are for it are now going, "It's the principle of the thing" and like... fuck your principles? Your principles are genuinely evil and don't need to be upheld. Yhall didn't used to be this fucked up shooting teargas at kids and shit like... let. this. go.

If this is the hill yhall wanna die on it will eventually kill your party.

Let this go.

The zombie of Ronald Regan is gonna rise from his grave to the sounds of trumpets and bust through like the fucking Kool-Aid man screaming, "Mr Trump, Tear down this wall!".

That's gonna be the biblical apocalypse those fuckers keep saying they want. Yhall used to have basic sense and morals. My political party produced the Kennedys for fucks sake. If a guy from a party that literally had a plan called "Mutually Assured Destruction" is calling you out for your bullshit- then it's too much bullshit. You're pissing off people with an unbelievably high bullshit threashhold. The bar for "amount of bullshit American people are willing to put up with" is at an all-time high and it's embarrassing. You're embarrassing us in front of Germany. GERMANY.

Goddamn yhall make me tired.

 

[zipman]

That's less than water cooler talk. Not only that, the original questions is: "Setting aside all theatrics with Trump right now, what are we going to do about the wall? Can Republicans allow themselves to let the government burden us with the full cost?"

I guess "well someone said it" is as good as it's going to get.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Oh that's deep man. Really deep.

Not my fault you can't keep up with the rest of the philosophy class.

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[Comshaw]

Setting aside all theatrics with Trump right now, what are we going to do about the wall? Can Republicans allow themselves to let the government burden us with the full cost?

If the Trump administration had ANY political acumen, they would transition the demand for a real, tangible wall to something that would work, like more agents and more high tech gear. A hard wall isn't going to do anything with out more people to watch it. A physical wall can be dug under, cut through, climbed over and will be unless you have enough people to watch it. And if you have that, you don't need a physical wall. The wall idea stems from two things, Trump's arrogant unsubstantiated demand for one and those supporting it who can, after it's built, sit back and say "we're protected from illegals now" when in point of fact that is, without other supporting additions (such as more personnel) an illusion.

Can the Republicans demand it and allow us to be burdened with it? Of course they can. Like any other politician they can talk out both sides of their mouth. Observe the years spent screaming about the deficit and the fact we need to do something about it, only to INCREASE it when they came to power. The old saying that you can tell if a politician is lying when his mouth is moving applies here.

Will it be political suicide if they support it and force it to happen? I believe so, but then I didn't think Trump would get elected either, so i'd take that opinion with a grain of salt.

Mexico will pay for the wall. And every other foreign country will also contribute.

They'll do this through the gov accounting dept and/or changes in foreign aid/tariff's/etc to offset the direct costs.

How is that going to pay for a wall? The Donald has already renegotiated NAFTA, so he can't be adding more tariffs to Mexico, or more accurately won't because it will cause him and his friends to loose money. The only way that will work is to pull all of our businesses out of Mexico. That isn't going to happen. Most ( like Peterbilt) have spent years building a manufacturing base in Mexico and can't, at a moments notice, pull out.

And even if they could, it wouldn't come back here but would go to another country with lower costs, which would cause the Donald to get all twitchy and put a tariff on them, which would in turn cause the manufacturer to move, and so on and so forth. The point being, it ain't going to happen. The Donald has no idea what kind of can of worms he's opened with the offhand use of tariffs. So no, that roundabout slight of hand isn't going to make Mexico pay for a wall.

Lol. Loose the obvious issue because facts - immediately resort to ad hominem. GOOD JOB!

It's been a talking point in the debate more than a few times.

Interestingly enough, the other day Trump mentioned having the military build it if Paleosi's House won't fund it. Which is something I brought up awhile back and most dismissed.

So the money in the last budget, that was a large part of the increase in the deficit, will be used to build a wall and not on national defense as was told to us? Figures.

The other side of this is: what would you say if Trump was a Democrat and they proposed such a thing as using the military to get around an appropriation by congress? Apoplexy maybe?

Too funny.

I guess the OP premise of "Setting aside the the theatrics" was just a diversionary tactic so you could start a thread about theatrics?

Apparently you missed this:



Not that it's unexpected since the now obvious real purpose of the thread is to bash Trump despite your disclaimer in the OP.

Apparently you missed this (quotes below), which was spit out before the OP voiced his. I know that wasn't intentional so I thought I'd point it out.

There is no choice idiot.

Your attempts at trying to sound reasonable is bullshit.

Trump is right on this issue and if it takes closing the government down....do it, sobeit. I don't need a government to behave in a civilized manner, do you?

It's not going to impact any government employee's paycheck moron, they get it all back. And if a few government employees are inconvenienced, tough shit.

Comshaw

 

[bestone4ever]

I guess "well someone said it" is as good as it's going to get.

On a site full of retards, that might be the most retarded thing I have read.

 

[CandiCame]

I just read the pissy rant I wrote, and while I stand by it I do want to provide the context of me being on painkillers for a dental extraction that didn't go well.

Sorry about the incoherantness.

 

[Kirkrapine]

I just read the pissy rant I wrote, and while I stand by it I do want to provide the context of me being on painkillers for a dental extraction that didn't go well.

Sorry about the incoherantness.

Wisdom teeth?

 

[CandiCame]

Wisdom teeth?

No, teeth teeth.

I've never had wisdom teeth. They wouldn't fit in my mouth so I had to have them cut out when I was a kid. Wisdom teeth come in when you're like 12 or someshit.

 

[TJX]

Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidly of man. General George S Patton.

Anybody who wants past that wall will go around, over or under it.

Symbolic yes. Practical no.

 

[silver gurl]

I don't need a government to behave in a civilized manner, do you?

Yeah, I kind of do. Have you seen what happens in uncivilized countries? Don't be a moron.

 

[RoryN]

If Mexico is going to pay for it, why does Congress have to do anything?

 

[phrodeau]

If Mexico is going to pay for it, why does Congress have to do anything?

According to Trump, the USMCA will collect enough from Mexico to pay for the wall, so Congress needs to keep the government open.

 

[HisArpy]

Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidly of man. General George S Patton.

Anybody who wants past that wall will go around, over or under it.

Symbolic yes. Practical no.

Tell it to Israel. Their border wall, in conjunction with other legislative enactments, has cut their illegal immigration to near zero.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...-fence-israel-cut-illegal-immigration-99-per/

 

[BotanyBoy]

Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidly of man. General George S Patton.

Anybody who wants past that wall will go around, over or under it.

Symbolic yes. Practical no.

There is always a way around, but deterrence while not perfect is effective to varying degrees. That's why all almost all these open border (D)umz in Hollywood, silcon valley and in D.C. all live in GATED communities, most with security armed with the very guns they proclaim to want banned.




Do you ever roll your windows up and lock your car doors? Lock your house up before leaving or going to bed?

Even though anyone who REALLY wants in is coming in right?

Same shit.

 

[phrodeau]

There is always a way around, but deterrence while not perfect is effective to varying degrees. That's why all almost all these open border (D)umz in Hollywood, silcon valley and in D.C. all live in GATED communities, most with armed fuckin' security.





Do you ever roll your windows up and lock your car doors? Lock your house up before leaving or going to bed?

Same shit.

Great point. Democrats do not want open borders. Hard for anyone to argue that they do.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Great point. Democrats do not want open borders.

Not around THEIR homes and communities.

When it's THEIR shit suddenly walls and guns suddenly work and make them safer.....imagine that.

Hard for anyone to argue that they do.

Not really.

They want to abolish ICE....our immigration enforcement, effectively opening up our borders.

They openly want to provide incentives and or for illegal immigrants....from housing and food to education. They just want a better life!!!

They won't even call them illegal....they try to subvert the USA and it's sovereignty right down to the language they use calling them "undocumented workers".

They also want to stop voter ID at all costs.....can't imagine why (D)'s would be so against something that stands to eliminate MILLIONS of their voters from future elections.

(D)'s pretty obviously want to sell the welfare state for votes, and they are more than happy to gain the support of millions of illegal immigrants if it helps them achieve that goal.

 

[Kirkrapine]

If the Trump administration had ANY political acumen, they would transition the demand for a real, tangible wall to something that would work, like more agents and more high tech gear.

It wouldn't be the same. What he wants is a monument.

 

[phrodeau]

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(D)'s pretty obviously want to sell the welfare state for votes, and they are more than happy to gain the support of millions of illegal immigrants if it helps them achieve that goal.

Illegal immigrants do not vote.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Illegal immigrants do not vote.

Then why all the beef about voter ID?

Why are the welfare peddlers SO insistent on keeping and gaining as many illegal immigrants as possible and demonizing anyone against that idea as a xenophobic Nazi?

Current US political parties only go on multi year campaigns for 2 reasons....money and or votes.

Last time I checked the only border jumpers with money/valuables are carrying for the cartels.

So the (D)'s are either fans of taking advantage of illegal immigrants for cheap labor undercutting US workers and companies, getting votes from them and or trafficking drugs with them.

I figure if you got into the minds of and investigated every office holding (D) in the country you'd find it's a bit of all 3.