Acorn and Republican Values

[Karen Kraft]

It's a story on the level of the runaway bride. It's all sizzle and no steak. How many people are affected? What is the damage to persons or property? What is the monetary damage? How much will it cost the make things whole? This is cheap sensationalism.

Unlike "real" journalism that puts the focus on the underage daughter of an unsuccessful V.P. candidate's illegitimate kid. There's a story with tremendous impact on affected people, damage to persons and property, not to mention huge monetary damage to all of us.

Oh wait.

 

[MonkeyFootball]

This is what gets me about this Acorn scandal. Where are the victims? And that's the problem. They're aren't any. With all the real suffering in the world here and overseas, real children starving, sexually exploited, exploited for their labor, homelessness, no health care, suffering needlessly etc., what does the right wing do? .

Save us your sanctimonious drivel.

You sit in your cool/warm home with a full belly, posting you thoughts on a porn site when you could have given your extra money to the very people you are dragging out as victims.

 

[akatrex]

You're missing the point. There are "real" underage teens being exploited and these people aren't doing a story on that. Why aren't they covering that story? Why aren't they trying to put real child exploiters behind bars? You know, real crimes with real victims.

And you expect ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, TNN to cover it.

They are TABLOID News organizations pure and simple.

The NEWS used to keep the general public informed, now they tell you who to vote for, what legislation to support and THEIR OPINION on controversial subjects.

News Papers and Network News are going bankrupt .......WHY.

NO CREDIBILITY, NONE!!!

 

[phrodeau]

Haven't watched the video have you?

The Acorn Employees didn't even flinch when the fake Pimp and Ho said they were using underage teens from Central America.

ACORN - No outrage, no compassion for these young girls.

They were most likely raised by the system or single mom's and turned out like their IDIOTS Deadbeat Fathers!

Is that what they should have done? Flinch?

What would you have done in that situation?

Oh, never mind. You're not the type to ever be in that sort of situation.

 

[Drixxx]

On the other hand:


"The fact is there are lots of stories that Americans care deeply about that simply hold no interest for so-called mainstream journalists. I get the impression that if FOX News decides to run with a story that may, for example, reflect badly on President Obama or one that puts a spotlight on some liberal judge who let’s child molesters off with (barely) a slap on the wrist, the mainstream media won’t go near it. That may be regrettable, but I fear it’s true."

-Bernard Goldberg - 9/14/2009
http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/content/2009/09/14/mainstream-media-must-go/

Bernard Goldberg is an idiot. But beyond that this story is nothing more than a political version of your typical Nancy Grace "bad mom" story. But a least with Nancy Grace's stories there's usually a least one real victim between all the catty sniping and tsk tsking over the bad mom's attitude.

 

[Drixxx]

Save us your sanctimonious drivel.

You sit in your cool/warm home with a full belly, posting you thoughts on a porn site when you could have given your extra money to the very people you are dragging out as victims.

I'm not the one whining about Acorn. It's a non-story. Low level employees fuck up, lose job. So what?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Unlike "real" journalism that puts the focus on the underage daughter of an unsuccessful V.P. candidate's illegitimate kid. There's a story with tremendous impact on affected people, damage to persons and property, not to mention huge monetary damage to all of us.

Oh wait.

That daughter could've been a role model, though. And that illegitimate kid might've been legit. If all had gone according to plan. They'd all be one happy family.

But thankfully, our bipartisan capacity for compassion and forgiveness towards the other person overshadows the need to point fingers at our failures and shortcomings and cast blame, especially the things that have occurred in the past that do not necessarily define our present beyond learning experiences towards the better. You know, like a good CHRISTIAN people would do.

*koff koff koff*

 

[brw02]

We do try to alleviate suffering....we say "it's a free country, take responsibility for yourself, learn a trade, learn a way of life and go do your best!" and provide the ways and means for people to make choices and thrive. There's a safety net for those who can't (mentally ill, for example). We believe in the constitution and in equal opportunity. We believe in freedom. We believe this creates the best environment for people to thrive...responsibility, accomplishment and self-motivation.

We don't believe in coddling and "Nanny" politics. We don't believe that a few democrat elites are superior to everyone else and don't believe that we ought to turn over all the major decisions of our lives to them. We don't believe that our government was put here to be an all-powerful force in our lives used to control minute aspects of our lives and instead believe in a small government with only the powers specifically enumerated in the constitution to create a simple environment of equal opportunity and then to get out of the way. We believe in equal opportunity, but don't believe in forcible equal outcomes.

Our philosophy can be summarized simply, "you get out what you put in" and don't need a bunch of self-important elected officials to tell us how to live. We don't believe in the soft tyranny of elite effeminate eastern swills. We also believe that power corrupts and to give people, even elected officials, large amounts of power inevitably leads to abuse and corruption (witness the "stimulus/earmark" bill and the closing of well-regarded auto-dealerships who's only offense was supporting Republican candidates). Power corrupts...leave power in the hands of people, not democrat leaders.

Nor Republican leaders. For a while, I thought I was reading an intelligent enumeration of libertarian values. You just can't manage to stay on topic. In libertarian philosophy, all laws and regulation are an imposition on personal freedom. They also inhibit the free flow of commerce. Therefore, when a law or regulation is not necessary, it should be eliminated. I don't have any major problem with that. The problem is where you draw that line. Neither party promotes libertarian values, but neither one is necessarily guilty of overregualtion. They just very on the priorities. When the Republican Party advocates the snooping that the Bush administration did on private citizens, they can hardly claim to be protective of your privacy. You need to stay on message and avoid the temptation to issue partisan rhetoric.

 

[Drixxx]

Unlike "real" journalism that puts the focus on the underage daughter of an unsuccessful V.P. candidate's illegitimate kid. There's a story with tremendous impact on affected people, damage to persons and property, not to mention huge monetary damage to all of us.

Oh wait.

First of all being for abstinence only education then parading your unwed, knocked up daughter on the national stage and expect no one to notice is a bit much.

Secondly network news is corporate news and serves it's own interests first. They suck and you'll get no praise for them from me.

 

[brw02]

Sorry about the typos. I don't usually have time for internet forums and I don't use a lot of email. I'm a skilled tradesman and no typing was required to do my job. There were plenty of wrenches, hammers, and other tools in my hands. That isn't conducive to nimble fingers.

 

[ccwalt]

Unlike "real" journalism that puts the focus on the underage daughter of an unsuccessful V.P. candidate's illegitimate kid. There's a story with tremendous impact on affected people, damage to persons and property, not to mention huge monetary damage to all of us.

Oh wait.

That story was relavent becasue Sarah Palin and the Right preach family values.

 

[brw02]

First of all being for abstinence only education then parading your unwed, knocked up daughter on the national stage and expect no one to notice is a bit much.

Secondly network news is corporate news and serves it's own interests first. They suck and you'll get no praise for them from me.

Even MSNBC is limited in what it can report. It's parent company is General Electric, a major defense contractor. Keith Olbermann cannot expose a wasteful defense program that GE may benefit from. When corporations own all of the mainstream media outlets, the editorial staffs must be subordinae to their bosses. There is a form of censorship taking place, and corporate control guarantees that it will stay in place.

 

[akatrex]

Is that what they should have done? Flinch?

What would you have done in that situation?

Oh, never mind. You're not the type to ever be in that sort of situation.

Now we just tape your ass put it up on Youtube and make you look like an Asshole for the Whole World to SEE!

Information is POWER and PAYBACKS are a BITCH!!!!

 

[ccwalt]

You know this is a Model 29 Smith and Wesson 44 Magnum.

At the time the most powerfull handgun in the World and could blow your head clean off.

Now we just tape your ass put it up on Youtube and FOX and make you look like an Asshole for the Whole World to SEE!

Paybacks are a BITCH!!!!

I seriously doubt you have the balls for that.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Revised:

Now we just tape your ass put it up on Youtube and make you look like an Asshole for the Whole World to SEE!

Information is POWER and PAYBACKS are a BITCH!!!!

Original:

You know this is a Model 29 Smith and Wesson 44 Magnum.

At the time the most powerfull handgun in the World and could blow your head clean off.

Now we just tape your ass put it up on Youtube and FOX and make you look like an Asshole for the Whole World to SEE!

Paybacks are a BITCH!!!!

Looky like some little dinosaur didn't switch his shit up fast enough for the quoters! Ha ha ha!

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh192/adamrector/JesusRidingDinosaur.jpg

 

[firespin]

Dummy. This isn't the save the children foundation. Acorn employees already committed plenty of crimes before these guys went to visit them.

This is about getting Acorn off the census, out of HUD, off the government payroll.

It's working, and that's what irks you.

 

[Killswitch]

You've been punk'd. The right wing is trying to establish a moral equivalency between right wing corruption and left wing corruption. Bernie Madoff making off with hundreds of millions of average people's life savings is not the same as some minimum wage ghetto woman giving bad advice.

If you really think these film makers and the right wing give a rat's ass about exploited children or political corruption you've been played like a deck of cards.

I dont care about Acorn dude. Too many other big things on the table like HealthCare and the Banking and Housing industry, Unemployment, and the War.

I already know republicans are weasels.

 

[The_Trouvere]

I dont care about Acorn dude. Too many other big things on the table like HealthCare and the Banking and Housing industry, Unemployment, and the War.

I already know republicans are weasels.

Unfortunately, most Americans do not know what Republicans are. Anything they can pin on Obama hurts his agenda.

 

[Killswitch]

Unfortunately, most Americans do not know what Republicans are. Anything they can pin on Obama hurts his agenda.

More than most dont know what Acorn is and dont care.

It's a dead horse the weasels have been screaming about since Obama mentioned their name in 1989 or something.

Whats hurting his agenda is this I want bipartisanship disease.

He needs to knuckle down and do what he said regardless of what republicans want a piece, and hit any dems floundering over the head with a ball peen hammer.

 

[unregistered]

 

[firespin]

Bernie Madoff making off with hundreds of millions of average people's life savings

Let's see who Drixxx thinks are "average people":

http://www.businessinsider.com/2008/12/bernie-madoffs-victims

Victim: J. Ezra Merkin/Ascot Partners LOSS: Up To $1.8 Billion
Victim: Fred Wilpon/Sterling Equities LOSS: Up To $300 Million
Kevin Bacon and Kyra Sedgwick LOSS: UNKNOWN
Victim: Sandra Manzke/Maxam Capital LOSS: $280 Million
Fairfield Greenwich/Walter Noel LOSS: $7.3 Billion (that's gotta sting)
Victim: Marc Rich LOSS: $10 to $15 Million (Karma is a bitch)

 

[JohnnySavage]

Let's see who Drixxx thinks are "average people":

http://www.businessinsider.com/2008/12/bernie-madoffs-victims

Victim: J. Ezra Merkin/Ascot Partners LOSS: Up To $1.8 Billion
Victim: Fred Wilpon/Sterling Equities LOSS: Up To $300 Million
Kevin Bacon and Kyra Sedgwick LOSS: UNKNOWN
Victim: Sandra Manzke/Maxam Capital LOSS: $280 Million
Fairfield Greenwich/Walter Noel LOSS: $7.3 Billion (that's gotta sting)
Victim: Marc Rich LOSS: $10 to $15 Million (Karma is a bitch)

One thing all scams rely on is human greed. Up until the house of cards collapsed, Madoff's clients were receiving unrealistically high returns - which should have set off alarm bells.

 

[Powertone]

This is what gets me about this Acorn scandal. Where are the victims? And that's the problem. They're aren't any. With all the real suffering in the world here and overseas, real children starving, sexually exploited, exploited for their labor, homelessness, no health care, suffering needlessly etc., what does the right wing do?

They manufacture outrage. They don't see real world suffering and try to alleviate it. They decide who they don't like and try by hook or by crook to pin something on them.

Funny you never see the left wing having to trick Halliburton, KBR, or any number of defense contractors and off shore sweat shops into committing crimes. The left wing vilifies these organizations because the victims are real. They didn't have to be manufactured. They are not made up, pretend victims used as a foil to manipulate opinions.

The right wing doesn't really care about exploited children. They are only a commodity to be used when trying to attack their political opponents.

*hands Drixxx Kleenex and oil can ala The Tin Man so he won't rust

and how are the boatloads of $$$$$$$$ that Bush sent to Africa doing,Drixxxy?

 

[Powertone]

I'm not the one whining about Acorn. It's a non-story. Low level employees fuck up, lose job. So what?

it's kind of like Abu Ghraib...some low level guards put a leash on a naked Iraqi for kicks...but surely there were HIGHER UPS who were complicit in the atrocity and must be held accountable...
INVESTIGATE!

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Let's see who Drixxx thinks are "average people":

http://www.businessinsider.com/2008/12/bernie-madoffs-victims

Victim: J. Ezra Merkin/Ascot Partners LOSS: Up To $1.8 Billion

So now you're also an anti-Semite. Cool.