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Sean Renaud said:
Honestly if the franchise weren't so damaged I would say go for a trilogy, the Earth Wars novels are pretty solid.
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Im a big fan of Prometheus. Alien 2 I thought was great but now looking back at Bill Paxton, I mean, its slightly comical
 
More than one franchise has been killed by a movie that attempts to explain everything.
 
None of the 'Aliens' movies disappointed.

The 'Resident Evil' series looked just as, if not even more promissing and the first three of the series where fantastic. (Terrific acting with a kickass female lead, great suspense and special effects. Plus the plot was more complex and modern than that of the 'Aliens' franchise.)

Unfortunately, the rest of the movies were quite bad.
 
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IrezumiKiss said:
Well, Covenant is the sequel to Prometheus and it seems to concern itself more with David the synthetic over Elizabeth Shaw, but I gotta see how they work that out. From the IMDB deets, Covenant is the name of a colony ship that (maybe) runs into the Engineer homeworld that Liz and Dave decided to confront at Prometheus' end.

Now, let it be said that I don't hate Prometheus. I like it in an "okay" kinda way. In fact, I own the disc and I revisit it on occasion. Visually stunning. Great concepts, good tense-mounting scenes, pushes things forward quite well as a backstory for the original franchise, but...I admit, sloppy writing that loses focus with the characters involved. I didn't like the lazy way some of the crew bought the farm in that flick, like with Idris Elba's character and his co-pilots suicide diving for nothing, really. That just squandered whatever flavor they were bringing to the content. And Charlize Theron's character felt totally useless, even though I know she was revealed to be Peter Weyland's daughter with her own agenda on top of a secret mission or whatever. All those shits should've been reworked and sharper.

The stronger action scenes, like the silicon storm wrecking shop, the surgery pod alien extraction (best part of the movie), the revived engineer rampaging and his (it's?) fight with the beta alien, there should've been more of that instead of useless exposition with crew characters that eventually didn't matter for much. I mean, getting mashed by a falling spaceship when you could've ran sideways?

...but I digress. I'm a solid Alien franchise fan from jump who has all of the movies, (including the half-shitty AVP ones) and I believe in this. :D Here's what Ridley Scott does best with this, he gets the tone of it all perfectly.

I'm looking forward to this joint over Bloomkamp's franchise revision that nixes out Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection. I wholeheartedly believe that was a stupid move and that you could've continued the original canon forward from Resurrection with many ideas.
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I totally agree with the comments.

Those two scientist 'jokers' and the pilot and Idris Elba selfkess suicides 'to save mankind' were formulaic and silly.
Charlise Theron and Idris Elba's characters (bothe their script and the acting ), were poorly conceived too, despite both of them being terrific actors.

In spite of the plot holes and the above, the stunning visual effects, the action scenes and Naomi Rapacce's and Fassbender's acting turned it into a fantastic movie. And the way in which they used bits and pieces from the 'Aliens' franchise and the plot twist in the end which puts it right before the 'Aliens' franchise timewise, was genial.

Chances are that the next film will be even better, given that they killed all the redundant characters and only Naomi Rappacce and Fassbender's characters survived. Plus the ending of 'Prometheus' left the door open for so many potentially interesting plots…
 
Beco said:
Im a big fan of Prometheus. Alien 2 I thought was great but now looking back at Bill Paxton, I mean, its slightly comical
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I can taake or leave Prometheus with no problems, and I love Alien 2. IT's honestly my favorite of the franchise.
 
For me Alien 1 and 2 were great movies although very different in tone. The rest of sequels and prequels didn't live up to those two and were a let down. This new one will have to get some great reviews before I spend any money on it. I feel like Hollywood burned out this franchise. Putting the Alien name on something makes me not want not want to see it.

For those that don't understand this-

Let's set up a play date for the new Terminator 9 (subtitled "What we really meant") and discuss it.
 
I mostly agree, though I have a soft spot for AVP:Requim. Sure I would have dealt a little less with the human teen drama but the action is fairly solid, the Predalien was great to see in action and it set up pretty decently to move into a sequel even if that never happened.
 
Sean Renaud said:
I mostly agree, though I have a soft spot for AVP:Requim. Sure I would have dealt a little less with the human teen drama but the action is fairly solid, the Predalien was great to see in action and it set up pretty decently to move into a sequel even if that never happened.
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I think I get what you are saying. Many franchises put out a couple of good movies and we want more. We hope for the best. Then we have to explain that the sequels weren't that bad because some of it was good. However, the movie wasn't that good as the ones that came before.

Ready for Robocop 2017? That will be the good one.

I will admit I have been completely wrong. I thought remaking Battlestar Gallactia was an insane idea.
 
For me the frustrating part about how bad Alien 3, 4 and AVP were is having read the novels and some of the comics. There was great material out there much of it fairly easy to adapt to the big screen.
 
doctor_insanus said:
I want horror back in my Alien movies. I don't want increasingly-shitty retellings of the same story. I don't want it to be a Cameron-esque shoot-'em-up.

I liked Prometheus, but I don't need the Alien universe explained to me. I don't need to learn humanity's reason for being.

I want to have the piss scared out of me. Otherwise, don't waste my time on more of these goddamn movies.
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I enjoyed Prometheus. I keep getting the two Alien movies after II confused, or was their just one movie after II?
I am really looking forward to Covenant. My son is fired up, too. I think I'll see it with him at the super Imax at the Palms in Vegas.
 
doctor_insanus said:
I want horror back in my Alien movies. I don't want increasingly-shitty retellings of the same story. I don't want it to be a Cameron-esque shoot-'em-up.

I liked Prometheus, but I don't need the Alien universe explained to me. I don't need to learn humanity's reason for being.

I want to have the piss scared out of me. Otherwise, don't waste my time on more of these goddamn movies.
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I totally agree. I want that feeling of catching my breath and inhaling a little with omg where the fuck is that fugly creature and holding my breath in total fear. The sheer horror of something ripping it's way out of a human being. Arghhhhhhh. Love the scare, suspense and shock horror. Im crossing my fingers and legs. :D
 
Sean Renaud said:
For me the frustrating part about how bad Alien 3, 4 and AVP were is having read the novels and some of the comics. There was great material out there much of it fairly easy to adapt to the big screen.
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Dark Horse made some great shit....I was a bit let down when they didn't pull any of the really good shit they could have.

Though Predators...select human prey on a Predator game preserve planet?

That was straight money, exactly the story I'd expect to get out of a decent DH Predator series.





I share the apparently common desire for a legit pant pissing sci-fi monster horror flick over an action flick and I gotta say the trailer looks promising.

http://m.memegen.com/3tapsu.jpg
 
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I don't think there has been a truly original movie idea since 1975. Acting and special effects have improved but not script originality.

How long before 'Alien Redux'?
 
Okay, Fata...you gon' do me like Yossi did me with Last Jedi...making new threads when you were already in one before you...haaa...

https://preview.ibb.co/enEeAk/alien.png

but it's all good, we can have separate fan threads...are the ads up where you are? They're all over the place here! As you can see.

:D
 
IrezumiKiss said:
Okay, Fata...you gon' do me like Yossi did me with Last Jedi...making new threads when you were already in one before you...haaa...

https://preview.ibb.co/enEeAk/alien.png

but it's all good, we can have separate fan threads...are the ads up where you are? They're all over the place here! As you can see.

:D
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I wanna go with you!

Oh yes lots. Doc sent me a new trailer I hadn't seen and got all excited and started the thread. Should have just added to this! Hey, you can never have to many Alien threads. Better than fucking Trump. :D
 
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aaaaaah okay...let's just basically say it...

Zumi's Rating: B+

Fata, let's get into a discussion. I'm down. There's some faulty shit going on with this joint and so many things it explained but DIDN'T explain and all that, but overall, it SLAMMED. Gotta see it a second time and I will definitely cop it when it comes out on DVD/Digital.

David is a MOTHERFUCKER and now I hate his synthetic guts! For those who don't want spoilers, just see it to see what I'm talking about!
 
IrezumiKiss said:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C93tnZ0UIAEN9ud.jpg

aaaaaah okay...let's just basically say it...

Zumi's Rating: B+

Fata, let's get into a discussion. I'm down. There's some faulty shit going on with this joint and so many things it explained but DIDN'T explain and all that, but overall, it SLAMMED. Gotta see it a second time and I will definitely cop it when it comes out on DVD/Digital.

David is a MOTHERFUCKER and now I hate his synthetic guts! For those who don't want spoilers, just see it to see what I'm talking about!
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At work but by God we will thrash this fucker out later for sure.

Cunt David and his bastard flute. :mad:
 
WHY GO TO A NEW PLANET WITH YOUR HELMETS OFF, FOR FUCK SAKE YOU STUPID SPACE TRAVELLERS. :confused::mad::confused::mad:
 
I never liked the Alien movies but Prometheus was awesome.
I'm not sure I want to see Covenant though. I am aggravated by the lack of common sense in movies and then people say to me, "but it's just a movie. You don't need to analyze entertainment."

Yeah, I guess they are correct.
 
nerfhearder said:
More than one franchise has been killed by a movie that attempts to explain everything.
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That's the problem with Spiderman movies, they just have to go back and explain how he was bitten by a spider, and on and on....

Ratings not so good on this flick, I'll see it anyway
 
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