Am I morphing into a right-winger?

[AG31]

I'd like to post this in Democratic Underground, which I frequent a lot, but my post would be alerted within seconds and subsequently banned. I'd run the risk of having my membership suspended.

As you can surmise, by my mention of Democratic Underground, I consider myself a liberal, these days a progressive. If I thought someone had come up with a system that worked, I'd happily share my wealth with people until we all were equally well off.

I'd support a single payer health care system.

I think people should pay enough for their hamburgers so fast food workers could support their families.

I think government should let people figure out their own sexuality and let them take whatever steps they wish to support it.

Likewise for dealing with pre-viable fetuses.

I agree that there oughta be a law, (and there is), against supervisors using promotions and raises and even continued employment as cudgels to get sex from an employee. I was glad the #MeToo movement showed a bright light on some men's sense of entitlement

I think women who accuse someone of rape should be automatically respected. They should never be dismissed from the get-go for any reason.

BUT

- I think the cry of "Believe women" or "Believe her" makes the world of crime prevention a very scary place, to the extent that is taken as marching orders. It beggars belief to think that women will never make false accusations about rape.

- I don't want to interact with people based on their mental or emotional state unless the relationship is close. E.g., I don't want to have to wear name tags proclaiming one's preferred pronouns.

- I have and will protest as loudly as anyone when injustices like the murder of George Floyd are revealed, but I think life is too complicated to try to mitigate past injustices with things like reparations.

- I don't think it's misogynistic to be concerned about declining birth rates. Concern about a problem does not imply an opinion about the solution.

- I find myself sympathizing with people who complain about "the victim culture," and "snowflakes." At some point I don't think that trauma warrants special treatment from the people around you.

- While I'm glad to see men's sense of entitlement successfully challenged by the #MeToo movement, I'm sorry to see the workplace turned into a sea of eggs everyone must walk on. Often, when I hear about "unwanted advances," I want to say "So he's a jerk. Grow up. Ignore him. Tell him "no" and move on."


- I've been uncomfortable with the mainstream reporting of ICE activities. There's been an unmitigated air of indignation that all these people were being rounded up. No addressing the issue of what one should do with illegal immigrants.

Today, I finally heard a report that I could rest easy with. This isn't a direct quote, but it's close to what I remember. "The people being detained are here illegally, but 75% of them have no criminal record, in contrast to the administration's assertion that it would focus on the "worst of the worst" criminals." So this explains the tone of indignation, while acknowledging that the raids are focusing on illegal immigrants.

So, progressives, what do you think? Have I given up my right to stay under the tent?

Conservatives, do I share enough opinions to join you?

I didn't include the fact that I abhor Donald Trump in my list. I refuse to let him define the conservative wing of our political life.

 

[schism666]

did your dick shrink and lose a few dozen iq points?

 

[Wilson23]

That culture-war shit doesn't matter. The difference is whether you support or oppose the plutocracy.

 

[RoryN]

I didn't include the fact that I abhor Donald Trump in my list. I refuse to let him define the conservative wing of our political life.

It doesn't matter what you "refuse" - he does, and will continue to. That's 100% on Conservatives.

 

[Lazaran]

It doesn't matter what you "refuse" - he does, and will continue to. That's 100% on Conservatives.

There is no Republican Party anymore:

It’s the MAGAt Party.

And anyone who votes for those MAGAt candidates must take ownership of / responsibility for the ignorance, criminality and immorality associated with the MAGAt Party leadership / agenda.



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[schism666]

I'd like to post this in Democratic Underground, which I frequent a lot, but my post would be alerted within seconds and subsequently banned. I'd run the risk of having my membership suspended.

As you can surmise, by my mention of Democratic Underground, I consider myself a liberal, these days a progressive. If I thought someone had come up with a system that worked, I'd happily share my wealth with people until we all were equally well off.

I'd support a single payer health care system.

I think people should pay enough for their hamburgers so fast food workers could support their families.

I think government should let people figure out their own sexuality and let them take whatever steps they wish to support it.

Likewise for dealing with pre-viable fetuses.

I agree that there oughta be a law, (and there is), against supervisors using promotions and raises and even continued employment as cudgels to get sex from an employee. I was glad the #MeToo movement showed a bright light on some men's sense of entitlement

I think women who accuse someone of rape should be automatically respected. They should never be dismissed from the get-go for any reason.

BUT

- I think the cry of "Believe women" or "Believe her" makes the world of crime prevention a very scary place, to the extent that is taken as marching orders. It beggars belief to think that women will never make false accusations about rape.

- I don't want to interact with people based on their mental or emotional state unless the relationship is close. E.g., I don't want to have to wear name tags proclaiming one's preferred pronouns.

- I have and will protest as loudly as anyone when injustices like the murder of George Floyd are revealed, but I think life is too complicated to try to mitigate past injustices with things like reparations.

- I don't think it's misogynistic to be concerned about declining birth rates. Concern about a problem does not imply an opinion about the solution.

- I find myself sympathizing with people who complain about "the victim culture," and "snowflakes." At some point I don't think that trauma warrants special treatment from the people around you.

- While I'm glad to see men's sense of entitlement successfully challenged by the #MeToo movement, I'm sorry to see the workplace turned into a sea of eggs everyone must walk on. Often, when I hear about "unwanted advances," I want to say "So he's a jerk. Grow up. Ignore him. Tell him "no" and move on."


- I've been uncomfortable with the mainstream reporting of ICE activities. There's been an unmitigated air of indignation that all these people were being rounded up. No addressing the issue of what one should do with illegal immigrants.

Today, I finally heard a report that I could rest easy with. This isn't a direct quote, but it's close to what I remember. "The people being detained are here illegally, but 75% of them have no criminal record, in contrast to the administration's assertion that it would focus on the "worst of the worst" criminals." So this explains the tone of indignation, while acknowledging that the raids are focusing on illegal immigrants.

So, progressives, what do you think? Have I given up my right to stay under the tent?

Conservatives, do I share enough opinions to join you?

I didn't include the fact that I abhor Donald Trump in my list. I refuse to let him define the conservative wing of our political life.

did you wake up with a gun in your hand and a red dunce cap on your head?

 

[Saint_Ann]

If you want to pay $20 for a hamburger, sure, pay your McDonald workers $70 grand.

 

[HisArpy]

Here's an honest answer; you're views are changing as you grow and realize that children are dependent upon their parents and you are no longer a child. The person you now have to depend upon is you. That means you're starting to look out for your own welfare/safety/security first.

While I laud your beliefs that we should help the less fortunate, your statements whereby you believe we should all share our good fortune until we are all equal is at odds with your belief that we should pay more so that others succeed. What this works out to be, without all the hype, is that you're willing to bankrupt yourself to put someone else into your position of financial/societal security. That's not 'equal' nor is it realistic because the person you replaced yourself with may not feel the same way and distribute their new wealth as you did. Basically, all you do is begger yourself.

You'll begin to separate further from your younger beliefs as you continue to age, acquire a family/property, and gain a desire to hold onto those things. You'll separate further as you amass wealth that will be needed for your "golden years."

So yes, you're morphing into a conservative. Welcome to the big tent.

 

[Wilson23]

That culture-war shit doesn't matter. The difference is whether you support or oppose the plutocracy.

Bears repeating.

 

[schism666]

Here's an honest answer; you're views are changing as you grow and realize that children are dependent upon their parents and you are no longer a child. The person you now have to depend upon is you. That means you're starting to look out for your own welfare/safety/security first.

While I laud your beliefs that we should help the less fortunate, your statements whereby you believe we should all share our good fortune until we are all equal is at odds with your belief that we should pay more so that others succeed. What this works out to be, without all the hype, is that you're willing to bankrupt yourself to put someone else into your position of financial/societal security. That's not 'equal' nor is it realistic because the person you replaced yourself with may not feel the same way and distribute their new wealth as you did. Basically, all you do is begger yourself.

You'll begin to separate further from your younger beliefs as you continue to age, acquire a family/property, and gain a desire to hold onto those things. You'll separate further as you amass wealth that will be needed for your "golden years."

So yes, you're morphing into a conservative. Welcome to the big tent.

some shitstains like you were born awful humans.

 

[RoryN]

Here's an honest answer

= lies / bullshit incoming.

 

[MajorRewrite]

- I find myself sympathizing with people who complain about "the victim culture," and "snowflakes." At some point I don't think that trauma warrants special treatment from the people around you.

And yet you’re complaining about things that don’t exist (badges with pronouns) and the need for basic decent behavior (not making unwanted advances on women at work). That’s quite victimy and snowflakey.

 

[Lazaran]

And yet you’re complaining about things that don’t exist (badges with pronouns) and the need for basic decent behavior (not making unwanted advances on women at work). That’s quite victimy and snowflakey.

And the OP already abandoned their sealioning "both sides" thread…



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[Hel_Books]

Often, when I hear about "unwanted advances," I want to say "So he's a jerk. Grow up. Ignore him. Tell him "no" and move on."

I'm assuming you're a heterosexual male. Now imagine that some other man makes comments about your buttocks or the way your genitals look under your trousers and asks you for a date, or gropes you. Imagine that he doesn't take "no" for an answer and bad-mouths you to your boss. Imagine he tells you, "Don't get all bitchy, I'm not going to bite you."

Maybe it's you who needs to "grow up."

 

[DeluxAuto]

= lies / bullshit incoming.

Anytime Derpy types more than 2 sentences, you know it's bullshit.

 

[briancamdudetenger2018]

I'd like to post this in Democratic Underground, which I frequent a lot, but my post would be alerted within seconds and subsequently banned. I'd run the risk of having my membership suspended.

As you can surmise, by my mention of Democratic Underground, I consider myself a liberal, these days a progressive. If I thought someone had come up with a system that worked, I'd happily share my wealth with people until we all were equally well off.

I'd support a single payer health care system.

I think people should pay enough for their hamburgers so fast food workers could support their families.

I think government should let people figure out their own sexuality and let them take whatever steps they wish to support it.

Likewise for dealing with pre-viable fetuses.

I agree that there oughta be a law, (and there is), against supervisors using promotions and raises and even continued employment as cudgels to get sex from an employee. I was glad the #MeToo movement showed a bright light on some men's sense of entitlement

I think women who accuse someone of rape should be automatically respected. They should never be dismissed from the get-go for any reason.

BUT

- I think the cry of "Believe women" or "Believe her" makes the world of crime prevention a very scary place, to the extent that is taken as marching orders. It beggars belief to think that women will never make false accusations about rape.

- I don't want to interact with people based on their mental or emotional state unless the relationship is close. E.g., I don't want to have to wear name tags proclaiming one's preferred pronouns.

- I have and will protest as loudly as anyone when injustices like the murder of George Floyd are revealed, but I think life is too complicated to try to mitigate past injustices with things like reparations.

- I don't think it's misogynistic to be concerned about declining birth rates. Concern about a problem does not imply an opinion about the solution.

- I find myself sympathizing with people who complain about "the victim culture," and "snowflakes." At some point I don't think that trauma warrants special treatment from the people around you.

- While I'm glad to see men's sense of entitlement successfully challenged by the #MeToo movement, I'm sorry to see the workplace turned into a sea of eggs everyone must walk on. Often, when I hear about "unwanted advances," I want to say "So he's a jerk. Grow up. Ignore him. Tell him "no" and move on."


- I've been uncomfortable with the mainstream reporting of ICE activities. There's been an unmitigated air of indignation that all these people were being rounded up. No addressing the issue of what one should do with illegal immigrants.

Today, I finally heard a report that I could rest easy with. This isn't a direct quote, but it's close to what I remember. "The people being detained are here illegally, but 75% of them have no criminal record, in contrast to the administration's assertion that it would focus on the "worst of the worst" criminals." So this explains the tone of indignation, while acknowledging that the raids are focusing on illegal immigrants.

So, progressives, what do you think? Have I given up my right to stay under the tent?

Conservatives, do I share enough opinions to join you?

I didn't include the fact that I abhor Donald Trump in my list. I refuse to let him define the conservative wing of our political life.

is democratic underground a forums

 

[briancamdudetenger2018]

if you are morphin into a right winger then were you suduced to the dark side of the force and or were you torchered by a ramsey bolton and or a joffery lannaister

 

[LLCox]

I didn't include the fact that I abhor Donald Trump in my list. I refuse to let him define the conservative wing of our political life.

The "conservative" wing did it to themselves JUST like the retard democraps. America is FUCKED.

 

[Pavlovsdog6862]

I'd like to post this in Democratic Underground, which I frequent a lot, but my post would be alerted within seconds and subsequently banned. I'd run the risk of having my membership suspended.

As you can surmise, by my mention of Democratic Underground, I consider myself a liberal, these days a progressive. If I thought someone had come up with a system that worked, I'd happily share my wealth with people until we all were equally well off.

I'd support a single payer health care system.

I think people should pay enough for their hamburgers so fast food workers could support their families.

I think government should let people figure out their own sexuality and let them take whatever steps they wish to support it.

Likewise for dealing with pre-viable fetuses.

I agree that there oughta be a law, (and there is), against supervisors using promotions and raises and even continued employment as cudgels to get sex from an employee. I was glad the #MeToo movement showed a bright light on some men's sense of entitlement

I think women who accuse someone of rape should be automatically respected. They should never be dismissed from the get-go for any reason.

BUT

- I think the cry of "Believe women" or "Believe her" makes the world of crime prevention a very scary place, to the extent that is taken as marching orders. It beggars belief to think that women will never make false accusations about rape.

- I don't want to interact with people based on their mental or emotional state unless the relationship is close. E.g., I don't want to have to wear name tags proclaiming one's preferred pronouns.

- I have and will protest as loudly as anyone when injustices like the murder of George Floyd are revealed, but I think life is too complicated to try to mitigate past injustices with things like reparations.

- I don't think it's misogynistic to be concerned about declining birth rates. Concern about a problem does not imply an opinion about the solution.

- I find myself sympathizing with people who complain about "the victim culture," and "snowflakes." At some point I don't think that trauma warrants special treatment from the people around you.

- While I'm glad to see men's sense of entitlement successfully challenged by the #MeToo movement, I'm sorry to see the workplace turned into a sea of eggs everyone must walk on. Often, when I hear about "unwanted advances," I want to say "So he's a jerk. Grow up. Ignore him. Tell him "no" and move on."


- I've been uncomfortable with the mainstream reporting of ICE activities. There's been an unmitigated air of indignation that all these people were being rounded up. No addressing the issue of what one should do with illegal immigrants.

Today, I finally heard a report that I could rest easy with. This isn't a direct quote, but it's close to what I remember. "The people being detained are here illegally, but 75% of them have no criminal record, in contrast to the administration's assertion that it would focus on the "worst of the worst" criminals." So this explains the tone of indignation, while acknowledging that the raids are focusing on illegal immigrants.

So, progressives, what do you think? Have I given up my right to stay under the tent?

Conservatives, do I share enough opinions to join you?

I didn't include the fact that I abhor Donald Trump in my list. I refuse to let him define the conservative wing of our political life.

No that’s clearly not democratic or republican that’s what America calls INDEPENDENT! What every dumb fucking American should be

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

No that’s clearly not democratic or republican that’s what America calls INDEPENDENT! What every dumb fucking American should be

Americans are banding together to stop Trump. You’re either with us, or with HIM .

 

[Pavlovsdog6862]

LOL So democratic rhetoric is pointless

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

LOL So democratic rhetoric is pointless

Your support for Trump is noted.

 

[Pavlovsdog6862]

NEVER EVER And not one post of mine proves it

 

[Pavlovsdog6862]

LOL HAVE ASKED YOU numerous times to point out my love of this man with Alzheimer’s

 

[Pavlovsdog6862]

Unfortunately UCLA has warped your mind