Am I morphing into a right-winger?

[AG31]

That's called social democracy.

Sounds appropriate. Was this just informational, or were you making a point?

 

[AG31]

The real issue is, why are liberals telling you to care about individual actions instead of real policy changes through legislation? It's because the Democratic Party doesn't give a shit about these issues. Universal Healthcare? Not while insurance companies are bribing them. Strong minimum wage? Big business can't have that. Better legislation to deal with those committing sexual harassment? There goes their donor base (looking at you, Harvey Weinstein).

I disagree.

 

[AG31]

The stuff you're against is largely the policing of individual behaviors. Proper pronouns. "Victim culture" (which is just another phrase for, "hearing strangers complain about stuff online"). Even your defense of ICE requires a policy position as an alternative to what's going on now.

Good point.
Another person suggested that my post could reflect the division between collectivists and individualists. Something to think about.

 

[HisArpy]

jesus, you people are stupid.

if you have a medical bill, all it takes is $1.00 a month to stay out of collections

They literally have zero monetary skills and few social skills other than clumping together like peed on cat litter. Yet they think they're geniuses merely because they can sling out "FUCK TRUMP!" at the top of their voice on the public sidewalk and someone just as stupid as they are will respond with "hell yeah!"

In another context; that's like a devout Christian saying "Thank you Jesus" and someone else saying "Amen!"

Yet they believe WE are the cult and they're freedom fighters.

 

[RoryN]

It's always funny when financially-challenged Deplorables shell out advice about money.

And we also have receipts for their "expertise" concerning the stock market.

 

[HisArpy]

I'd agree on that. I think a lot of policies are possible to be passed if they're fought for though, and fighting for that would mean criticizing both parties. Historically, that's been the only way progressive changes have occurred in America.

Not every championed policy is a good one. Take prohibition for example; everyone wanted it but it was bad policy.

Now contrast that with some of the other policies which are being promoted by the progressives. Policies like Universal Health Care. Which sounds great on the surface, like prohibition did, and "everyone" wants it; but is it bad policy to force those who have worked hard to be successful to pay for healthcare for those who don't contribute very much to society?

Many people believe so. Those who support it fall back on false slogans like it's a human right. Which is nonsense and only goes to prove that the idea is bad policy.

As a note, this isn't the only bad policy being championed by the progressive left. It is just one shining example of the progressive left's desire to "share the wealth" that they're not entitled to.

 

[MajorRewrite]

They literally have zero monetary skills and few social skills other than clumping together like peed on cat litter. Yet they think they're geniuses merely because they can sling out "FUCK TRUMP!" at the top of their voice on the public sidewalk and someone just as stupid as they are will respond with "hell yeah!"

You’re supporting OryginalnyHolt’s dumb contention that the solution to huge medical bills is to just not pay them.

Stable geniuses.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Policies like Universal Health Care. Which sounds great on the surface, like prohibition did, and "everyone" wants it; but is it bad policy to force those who have worked hard to be successful to pay for healthcare for those who don't contribute very much to society?

All of the other developed nations have demonstrated that universal healthcare saves about 50% compared to the US’ dysfunctional healthcare mess.

Why are you opposed to saving money?

You seem to be an old guy. Are you on Medicare (universal healthcare for senior citizens)? I bet you are.

 

[BoredDirtyCommie]

Not every championed policy is a good one. Take prohibition for example; everyone wanted it but it was bad policy.

Now contrast that with some of the other policies which are being promoted by the progressives. Policies like Universal Health Care. Which sounds great on the surface, like prohibition did, and "everyone" wants it; but is it bad policy to force those who have worked hard to be successful to pay for healthcare for those who don't contribute very much to society?

Many people believe so. Those who support it fall back on false slogans like it's a human right. Which is nonsense and only goes to prove that the idea is bad policy.

As a note, this isn't the only bad policy being championed by the progressive left. It is just one shining example of the progressive left's desire to "share the wealth" that they're not entitled to.

Your response is to tell me that you want people to suffer needlessly and you're against human rights. Why in the goddamn fucking hell did you think I'd support such lunacy? What in your brain made you think that I'd support the idea of life being miserable when it doesn't need to be?

The saddest thing about this is that you only made it to bait me into a conversation because you have no friends to talk to. I don't want to talk to you, champ. Not even gonna waste my time telling you why that's a shitty and completely backwards idea to have. Putting you on ignore.

 

[HisArpy]

The saddest thing about this is that you only made it to bait me k to a conversation because you have no friends to talk to. I don't want to talk to you, champ.

Lol, ok Alt.

I mean it's not like you have anything to rebut my talking points with anyway...

 

[BoredDirtyCommie]

I disagree.

You'll start seeing it now that it's been brought to your attention. Just watch.

The Democrats will at best pretend to try to pass progressive policy, only for it to be abandoned after the slightest pushback from Republicans just so they can say that the Republicans blocked it. But the one thing Trump has proven is that opposition parties are only powerful if the party in control allows it. At worst, the Democrats will actively attack leftists advocating for change, revealing their party to be the real right wing jack wagons they are.

When you see it, come join us on the actual left.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Lol, ok Alt.

I mean it's not like you have anything to rebut my talking points with anyway...

Poor Harpy. I’ll rebut your points for you …

All of the other developed nations have demonstrated that universal healthcare saves about 50% compared to the US’ dysfunctional healthcare mess.

Why are you opposed to saving money?

You seem to be an old guy. Are you on Medicare (universal healthcare for senior citizens)? I bet you are.

 

[Wilson23]

Sounds appropriate. Was this just informational, or were you making a point?

Both. YOU need to LEARN about social democracy! And so does every other American!

 

[Wilson23]

That I do disagree with.

Not about the Commie revolution. Definitely won't happen in my lifetime. Although it would be nice if I'm wrong on that.

We tried doing what you said with the Democrats twenty years ago. It failed because we didn't do it with the Republicans as well. Both parties need to be pulled to the left, and that happens by making them scared of a socialist revolution. Segregation ended because socialists and anarchists gave the middle finger to both political parties in the 1960s. In the 1930s the Communist parties had become the most powerful they had in American history. They were too big to ignore.

Richard Wolff talked about this a lot in Democracy At Work. Great book.

Do you have a better idea? Do you think it is possible to build a party to the left of the Democrats that is as big a deal in American politics as the New Democrats in Canada? Does the Working Families Party have that potential?

 

[BoredDirtyCommie]

Do you have a better idea? Do you think it is possible to build a party to the left of the Democrats that is as big a deal in American politics as the New Democrats in Canada? Does the Working Families Party have that potential?

I'd recommend that book by Richard Wolff first. Then All Power to the People: The Story of the Black Panther Party. You can find a free copy from https://freedomarchives.org/

You'll have to read books to get the answers to the questions you seek. You won't find them on social media or message boards created by the capitalist class.

 

[Wilson23]

I'd recommend that book by Richard Wolff first. Then All Power to the People: The Story of the Black Panther Party. You can find a free copy from https://freedomarchives.org/

You'll have to read books to get the answers to the questions you seek. You won't find them on social media or message boards created by the capitalist class.

Why not? The capitalists CREATED them, but everybody gets to USE them.

 

[BoredDirtyCommie]

Why not? The capitalists CREATED them, but everybody gets to USE them.

Start reading the books and you'll understand. You'll learn why arguing with reactionaries on the internet is a waste of time, too.

 

[Wilson23]

I'd recommend that book by Richard Wolff first.

What was the title again?

 

[BoredDirtyCommie]

What was the title again?

Democracy at Work-A Cure for Capitalism

I can give more books after you get done with those two. They're good starting points for leftist political philosophy, though.

 

[AG31]

Both. YOU need to LEARN about social democracy! And so does every other American!

Yelling????

 

[Wilson23]

Yelling????

I will yell it as loud as is possible in a text medium.

 

[briancamdudetenger2018]

I post facts backed up by CREDIBLE SITES.

Try that sometime. Wikipedia, RationalWiki, WaPo, NYT, CNN are credible sites. Gateway Pundit, Breitbart, Newsmax, Fox, RedState, Epoch Times, Americanthinker, are NOT,

well the not credible sites like fox news red state epoch times american thinker breitbart newsmax gateway pundit are from the right wing media universe

 

[briancamdudetenger2018]

What are you, 100 years old? What war did you “defend” America in?

unless he is a supernatural being lol