Another Favorite Liberal Meme Goes Down

[phrodeau]

If the economy is doing well, unemployment is down, inflation is low, the stock market is nosing up and the country isn't involved in a war, who gives a fuck how many memos Obama writes?

 

[Que]

If the economy is doing well, unemployment is down, inflation is low, the stock market is nosing up and the country isn't involved in a war, who gives a fuck how many memos Obama writes?

Quoted for the Ted Cruz term.

 

[Disgustipated]

The point isn't that EOs are going up. The real point is, they are not official EOs, they are memoranda which carry the same weight and legality as an EO. Obama writes these by the dozens and then claims "I'm issuing executive orders at the lowest rate in more than 100 years." Which plays on the ignorance of people who don't know about the memoranda, who run around talking about how Bush issued more EOs than Obama. It's a political gimmick to fool his ignorant base.

This kinda says stuff. The only one to have less memos than Obama was Bush II. It increases with every President. Why can't you see that as a trend that will continue on to the next President no matter they party?

 

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[Sean Renaud]

But EOs still aren't memos and you've yet to make your point.

 

[Que]

Try and follow along.

At issue is not whether it is a trend- it is, and a disturbing one.

At issue is whether it is true that Obama is following his own alleged principles about executive orders that he castigated Bush for.

At issue is whether apologists for the administration are correct that Obama is retrained in his use of executive power, or not.

 

[phrodeau]

Quoted for the Ted Cruz term.

If Ted Cruz can serve a term as President and those conditions stay the same, I might change my mind about Republicans.

 

[Disgustipated]

Because that isn't carved in rock, nor the point. This is the point:

"Obama has issued 195 executive orders as of Tuesday. Published alongside them in the Federal Register are 198 presidential memoranda — all of which carry the same legal force as executive orders."

So Obama says, "I've written 195 EOs, less than any other President," but when you add his 198 memos, the total of Presidential directives comes to 393, making that statement a deception. Something Obama does more than any other President in history.

So it's only ok to take advantage (LEGALLY) of the system when Cons do it?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Try and follow along.

At issue is not whether it is a trend- it is, and a disturbing one.

At issue is whether it is true that Obama is following his own alleged principles about executive orders that he castigated Bush for.

At issue is whether apologists for the administration are correct that Obama is retrained in his use of executive power, or not.

And you still fail to show what memos actually are.


As for the trend I don't find it alarming, the leader needs power.

 

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[Disgustipated]

Jesus Christ you're dense.

You're whining that Obama does thing legally and "I'm dense?"

 

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[Que]

And you still fail to show what memos actually are.


As for the trend I don't find it alarming, the leader needs power.

The are power. They have the force of law just like regulations. Unless overturned by a court which is hard to even show standing to initiate such a suit.

So be happy.

At least you arr honest that you prefer power concentrated in one persons hand.

I don't. Even if his or her name is "President Notobama."

 

[RobDownSouth]

You're dense because you can't read and understand what I wrote.

It would help if you made sense every once in a while.

 

[klippert]

How weird is it they've gone up every President since Bush I? Or maybe that's just how shit has to get done since the 80's.

you've missed the boat...Shit wasn't getting done because Harry Reid block everything....Fucking fact
King Barry's executive orders have DONE A fucking thing, accept violate the law. Every Lib'tard better remember this...their will be a Republican President With a Super majority.... I better not hear ONE complaint when her or she starts writing executive orders

 

[RobDownSouth]

you've missed the boat...Shit wasn't getting done because Harry Reid block everything....Fucking fact
King Barry's executive orders have DONE A fucking thing, accept violate the law. Every Lib'tard better remember this...their will be a Republican President With a Super majority.... I better not hear ONE complaint when her or she starts writing executive orders

Not in your lifetime, bub.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The are power. They have the force of law just like regulations. Unless overturned by a court which is hard to even show standing to initiate such a suit.

So be happy.

At least you arr honest that you prefer power concentrated in one persons hand.

I don't. Even if his or her name is "President Notobama."

They need enough power to get shit done if that's your idea of concentrated sure.

As for memos I'm sure there is a reason why they are not called Executive Orders so what precisely is the difference or do you even know it?

 

[Que]

They need enough power to get shit done if that's your idea of concentrated sure.

As for memos I'm sure there is a reason why they are not called Executive Orders so what precisely is the difference or do you even know it?

In this case they are not called Executive orders so he can claim to have done less than Bush. That is the only reason.

Bush did it because he got tired of the junior Senator from Illinois and Constitutional-lecture-note reader carping about how extra-Constitutional EOs are.

Some memos are just that, a way to get information out to departments. Those that direct action should be called Executive Orders.

 

[Sean Renaud]

That seems unlikely but okay

 

[phrodeau]

So how many Executive Tweets has Obama made?

 

[Paul_Chance]

Just sharing for illumination:

Contrubis, John. "CRS Report 95-772 A; Executive Orders and Proclamations". Congressional Research Service. March 09, 1999 Edition. Library of Congress. pp. 20–23. Archived from the original on April 16, 2011. ". . . Although a clear distinction cannot be made, they are both forms of executive legislation that must possess similar authority. If issued under a valid claim of authority and published, executive orders and presidential memoranda have the force and effect of law and courts are required to take judicial notice of their existence."

 

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[Sean Renaud]

LOL. So basically nobody is sure what the fuck they are because they exist in some nebulous zone.