Anyone starting a garden?

That's what I was thinking. It's so much easier on the body (for everyone involved). The biggest issue is building (or buying) the beds.

It wasn't too bad on cost and I have the 23 yr old son (sponge) to do all of the hard lifting. You can find some building materials in odd places old barns or houses being torn down. Just be carefull you don't get stuff that has been treated with chemicals.
Reg
 
My 81-year-old mother wants me to put together the Mantis tiller (see pic below) she bought last spring :rolleyes: and "help" her use it.
Make sure you buy these. They'll save you many curses, much time lost, and you won't throw your back out before you've done a single pass of the tilling clearing weeds et al from the tines. Trust me on this.

As for gardening, yep. The towers and cages come down soon. WD, all i can say about that dirt is "will these damn orange stains ever come out of the knees?" If you're seeding, think about a grow light and steadily ramp up the exposure time just like the sunlight in your area. Don't "overexpose" them trying to hurry them into the ground. You'll end with thin and spindly plants that produce crappy fruit.

Looking forward to using these

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this year.
 
Make sure you buy these. They'll save you many curses, much time lost, and you won't throw your back out before you've done a single pass of the tilling clearing weeds et al from the tines. Trust me on this.
Okay, that looks cool... and given that the number and density of the weeds around here far outnumber the blades of grass, I think I'll spend the money to order them, just to save my own ass. Thanks, AA.
 
You should try growing your plants according to the stages of the moon. I know this sounds like complete nonsense but my grandad swore by it and his fruit and veg where the bees knees. Another tip, horse shit!:D

Pig shit is better.

My mum, when we had plantable boarders to the garden, put pig manure on the garden and her plants were fantastic.

Please be careful when using animal waste in the garden. I work in veterinary medicine and you can get a lot of diseases from animals. I'm sure anything from a gardening center has been treated, but don't just get a pile from your neighbor. Especially if you are growing vegetables.
My ex-wife (#1 of 3) used to have me get a few hundred pounds of elephant manure every spring when the circus moved up from Sarasota to open in Tampa, and used it in all her gardening, but she didn't grow edibles, just flowers. They grew fantastically tall and strong and bloomed forever, especially the roses.
 
I had the interesting experience of tilling a (thankfully small) garden without any power tools whatsoever last spring. It was a good week of exercise. While I had good luck with herbs, my vegetables didn't actually bear much fruit. Thinking of trying mostly beans this year to fix some nitrogen, but it's cold up here so not much planting going to happen for a few months regardless.
 
While I had good luck with herbs, my vegetables didn't actually bear much fruit. Thinking of trying mostly beans this year to fix some nitrogen ...
Maybe amend with compost, store bought or self-made? Self-made gives you almost as good a feeling as growing your own food.
Okay, that looks cool... and given that the number and density of the weeds around here far outnumber the blades of grass, I think I'll spend the money to order them, just to save my own ass. Thanks, AA.
Missed this the first time. Quite welcome.
 
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Please be careful when using animal waste in the garden. I work in veterinary medicine and you can get a lot of diseases from animals. I'm sure anything from a gardening center has been treated, but don't just get a pile from your neighbor. Especially if you are growing vegetables.

If you're worried about the health/hygine aspect of manure, you could make your own compost out of every day cooking left overs it's cheaper then buying organo phosphates and greener too.
Personaly I rather take my chances with dung.

A wee link about my earlier post regarding using the cycles of the moon to do your plantig.
http://www.geocities.com/athens/troy/2214/lunar.htm
 
You should try growing your plants according to the stages of the moon. I know this sounds like complete nonsense but my grandad swore by it and his fruit and veg where the bees knees. Another tip, horse shit!:D

Ok but how? Plant on the full moon?
 
Make sure you buy these. They'll save you many curses, much time lost, and you won't throw your back out before you've done a single pass of the tilling clearing weeds et al from the tines. Trust me on this.

As for gardening, yep. The towers and cages come down soon. WD, all i can say about that dirt is "will these damn orange stains ever come out of the knees?" If you're seeding, think about a grow light and steadily ramp up the exposure time just like the sunlight in your area. Don't "overexpose" them trying to hurry them into the ground. You'll end with thin and spindly plants that produce crappy fruit.

I remember years ago Tide having a Georgia red clay commercial.
 
....A wee link about my earlier post regarding using the cycles of the moon to do your planting.
http://www.geocities.com/athens/troy/2214/lunar.htm
I read over the linked page. Now my head hurts. That was way confusing. I think I'm going to have to print it out (good thing it has a b&w print option!) and review it a few times before I understand it. Then maybe I can get her to follow at least some of its suggestions. Me having anything to do with growing things other than roses is not a good idea. I seem to have a black thumb for just about anything but rose bushes, dunno why.
 
If you're seeding, think about a grow light and steadily ramp up the exposure time just like the sunlight in your area. Don't "overexpose" them trying to hurry them into the ground. You'll end with thin and spindly plants that produce crappy fruit.
Angelica, would you care to expand on this just a bit? It sounds like you're saying that people using grow lights, which usually means fluourescent lights, should gradually increase the amount of (artificial) light that they give their seedlings. You're certainly right that plants started indoors need to be acclimated to sunlight (so do houseplants put outside for the summer), but new seedlings under fluourescent lights need those lights to be on 12 to 14 hours a day as soon as they germinate. Too little light will give you stretched plants that may very well produce poorly, unless they can be rehabilitated.

I'm guessing that you weren't actually advocating short "days" for new seedlings, but could you give us a little more detail to clarify?
 
Angelica, would you care to expand on this just a bit? It sounds like you're saying that people using grow lights, which usually means fluourescent lights, should gradually increase the amount of (artificial) light that they give their seedlings. You're certainly right that plants started indoors need to be acclimated to sunlight (so do houseplants put outside for the summer), but new seedlings under fluourescent lights need those lights to be on 12 to 14 hours a day as soon as they germinate. Too little light will give you stretched plants that may very well produce poorly, unless they can be rehabilitated.

I'm guessing that you weren't actually advocating short "days" for new seedlings, but could you give us a little more detail to clarify?
Actually i was speaking against the other end of the spectrum: anything more than 18 hours a day. i've heard oops stories from gardeners behind the power curve trying to catch up by putting their seedlings under grow lights 24/7. They didn't realize most plants need a dark respiration period as well. As for the time period and ramp up, i could have said start at 14 and ramp to 18, but that doesn't necessarily hold true for all plants.
 
I read over the linked page. Now my head hurts. That was way confusing. I think I'm going to have to print it out (good thing it has a b&w print option!) and review it a few times before I understand it. Then maybe I can get her to follow at least some of its suggestions. Me having anything to do with growing things other than roses is not a good idea. I seem to have a black thumb for just about anything but rose bushes, dunno why.

Hey do you have any good recipes for keeping black-spot off the roses? I never had this problem when I lived in Ca, Here I can't keep it under control. I've tried soap and fungicides.
Like a greedy child I moved all of my roses with me 30+ of them. They are doing OK but not thriving the way I want them to.
Reg
 
Hey do you have any good recipes for keeping black-spot off the roses? I never had this problem when I lived in Ca, Here I can't keep it under control. I've tried soap and fungicides.
Like a greedy child I moved all of my roses with me 30+ of them. They are doing OK but not thriving the way I want them to.
Reg
Three quick answers:

 
  • Rose Magazine's website lists some chemical-free gardening tips for control of black spot (but uses sulphur, which I always thought was a chemical :confused: ).
Chuckling. Technically, anything is a chemical, including the homemade remedies. Here's another link in the dark. BS prevention is the key phrase, although the species of those 30+ immigrants will greatly influence the results as well. i kinda liked the $4 of pennies in a quart of white vinegar suggestion for sheer amusement value, although shovel ran neck and neck. ;)
 
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Hey do you have any good recipes for keeping black-spot off the roses? I never had this problem when I lived in Ca, Here I can't keep it under control. I've tried soap and fungicides.
Like a greedy child I moved all of my roses with me 30+ of them. They are doing OK but not thriving the way I want them to.
Reg

Tee tree oil. Put a little in a bottle of water (I'd say just a few drops). Spray it on your roses.

It's also great at keeping aphids and spit bugs away.
 
Thanks for all of the suggestions everyone. I hope most of the roses thrive this year. I have tried the milk and water but the smell of spoiled milk is just too nasty for me. I think I will try the tea tree oil it smells much better.
If that doesn't work I will just have to let them go and replace them with more hardy ones. On the bright side the Irises are doing great. And the veggie garden is so much better here.
Regina
 
Well, my tomatoes seem to be germinating in my indoor pan. Lettuce is doing very little. But it has been cool and raining for two day so maybe that will get them going.
 
I'm jealous of all you people with gardens. I tried growing stuff on my window sill but a lot didn't work very well. Herbs did work pretty well though. Hmmmm....maybe I should give herbs another go.
 
I think I'm going to nail up a St. Andrew's cross in the middle of the garden and have a live submissivecrow or slavecrow on duty. But I need about six so they can all take a two hour shift.

It scares the crows or it gets the hose again.
 
Haha - WD, that reminds me. I meant to ask earlier how you deal with rabbits and chipmunks and such.
 
My neighbor says there are rabbits around but I've never seen one. Once in a while I'll see a chipmunk. Lots of squirrels but they don't seem to bother much. As long as it isn't a biblical swarm I don't mind critters taking a little.
 
My neighbor says there are rabbits around but I've never seen one. Once in a while I'll see a chipmunk. Lots of squirrels but they don't seem to bother much. As long as it isn't a biblical swarm I don't mind critters taking a little.
Fucking squirrels make growing things like cherry tomatoes impossible. They'll climb a 2-story deck, take one bite out of each piece of fruit, and discard the rest.

Bunny food (parsley, lettuce, basil, etc.) has to be grown in containers where I live. Cottontails are everywhere, and they're adorable, but - damn. They do love to eat.

I've never tried corn before. Are crows the only problem with it?
 
Haha - WD, that reminds me. I meant to ask earlier how you deal with rabbits and chipmunks and such.

My dad (a federal burocrat) used to climb up onto the peak of the roof with a rifle and a case of beer and sit there all day waiting for groundhogs, rabbits and whatever.
 
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