AOC and other sexy political figures

[AlinaX]

Where can I find the rules for things like real politicians not being allowed in stories?

Hi! Welcome!

Check out:
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1422494
https://literotica.com/subguide.shtml
No sexual activity involving bestiality (you can write stories about supernatural beasts like ghosts, unicorns, werewolves, etc.) or underage persons will be considered. For the purposes of this site, the minimum legal age is 18. This site does not publish stories, articles, essays, or other material supporting, encouraging, or defending child abuse and/or exploitation.

There are also plenty of threads in the forum where authors complain about stories being rejected for various reasons. Ultimately it's Laurel, the site owner, who allows/disallows all stories, and her word is final. She won't allow:
- Celebrity erotica that isn't fully consensual
- Politics
but don't ask me where the lines are drawn.

 

[AlinaX]

I can understand being uncomfortable about these types of stories. I'm not going to argue with you about that because I think you have a right to feel that way, and I understand why you feel that way.

But that's not a good reason "not to allow" these stories. Your discomfort shouldn't be a basis for what's allowed and not allowed at Literotica.

The fact is, this fiction is legal. If someone wants to write a porn story about AOC or Trump (I don't even want to think about that, but hey, if somebody gets off to stories about him, power to them), they can. It's all fantasy.

Whether or not fiction is "harmless" shouldn't be the test, either. Words have impacts, and that's exactly why we SHOULD allow them, except for narrowly defined exceptions.

I also think there's a difference between a politician and a mere celebrity. There is more value to allowing the maximum possible range of expression about politicians because they have power over us. I think when you attain political office you give up the right to restrict the ability of people to express their views about you, in whatever form, unless those views cross the line into libel, or invasion of privacy, which Literotica stories do not.

I agree there is a line between celebrities and politicians, but it's a thin one. JK Rowling has just crossed that line in spectacular fashion. Would it be acceptable now to write a story in which she is kidnapped by centaurs and ravished? I dare say there are many who might enjoy such a story, but would - and should - Literotica publish it?

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I'm anyway uncomfortable with living people being incorporated into people's sexual fantasies. Whether or not the celebrities read the stories, they are (or may become) aware of them.

It's different from television satire, where characters are exaggerated for effect. It's different even from porn, where the role play is - I guess - not too extreme. In both of these cases, there's an actor who clearly isn't the celebrity in question.

In written fiction, there is no actor. You are putting a real person into a character. The author and the readers become like puppet masters controlling that real person. Is it understood to be fiction? Yes - and no.

In erotic fiction, especially fiction driven by malice, it's a double drug of [sexual] arousal and physical power, one step removed from actual sexual assault.

So, no. I don't accept that it's harmless fiction. I don't care if it's Trump or AOC, though I despise one and love the other.

ETA: My phone really doesn't like me typing 'sexual'.

So, none of your fantasies involve real people?

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I wrote a political story for Literotica a long time ago, but I did not use any real names.

It was about a female Secrete Service Agent that was guarding a prominent womanaizing Senator at a rather boring public meeting when she got bored, and was playing footsie with a campaign donor across from her, just to spice things up. In doing so, she felt a gun on his person with her probing foot, and just had enough time to save the Senator's life.

She disliked the Senator immensely, but as she was debriefed after taking out the assassin, they talked about the situation, and both got very turned on, and she ended up having hard-core sex with the senator just out of pure adrenaline and passion.

It was not the best erotica I ever wrote, but that was the political story line I used anyway.

Yep, I published a story here, it's still up, that is in Sci-Fi about a couple of political figures, but I didn't use their real names.

Actually, make that two Sci-Fi stories with political persons shown in a horrible light, except the story wasn't really about them.

 

[jaF0]

I hadn't heard of this Kelly Loffler chick from GA until the last few days. Seems like somebody needs to keep her mouth occupied though to keep the stupid from falling out.

 

[SimonDoom]

JK Rowling has just crossed that line in spectacular fashion. Would it be acceptable now to write a story in which she is kidnapped by centaurs and ravished? I dare say there are many who might enjoy such a story, but would - and should - Literotica publish it?

What are you referring to? How has JK Rowling crossed the line?

Concerning your question: I'm not sure. One of the things that frustrates me about this Site is that it does not put all of its content guidelines in one easily accessible place. My recollection is that the site doesn't allow nonconsent stories about real people. But I don't know where that guideline is.

 

[jaF0]

What are you referring to? How has JK Rowling crossed the line?

She stuffed her foot in her mouth up to the hip:

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/jk-rowling-transphobic-tweets-controversy-1234627081/

 

[AlinaX]

What are you referring to? How has JK Rowling crossed the line?

She has over the past month confirmed the suspicions of many and outed herself as a transphobe, and is using her 14M-follower Twitter platform to recycle transphobic rhetoric and whine about how people are trying to cancel her.

ETA: Mixed in with lots of child-friendly tweets related to her books, as if that isn't a recipe for disaster.

 

[AlinaX]

So, none of your fantasies involve real people?

Correct. All my fantasies involve only sexbots and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.

 

[Enchantment_of_Nyx]

She stuffed her foot in her mouth up to the hip:

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/jk-rowling-transphobic-tweets-controversy-1234627081/

And seems intent on stuffing the other one in as well. Now she is complaining about "cancel culture," which never seemed to bother her until she discovered that she wasn't immune to public opinion.

 

[Carnevil9]

She stuffed her foot in her mouth up to the hip:

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/jk-rowling-transphobic-tweets-controversy-1234627081/

She has gone on record with the very unacceptable opinion that only women are women.

 

[AlinaX]

She has gone on record with the very unacceptable opinion that only women are women.

She has gone on record with the very unacceptable opinion that most trans people are gay people who have been forced through trans conversion therapy as vulnerable children.

 

[Enchantment_of_Nyx]

She has gone on record with the very unacceptable opinion that most trans people are gay people who have been forced through trans conversion therapy as vulnerable children.

Don't leave out being bathroom predators! I think that's how she waded into it to start with.

 

[SimonDoom]

She has over the past month confirmed the suspicions of many and outed herself as a transphobe, and is using her 14M-follower Twitter platform to recycle transphobic rhetoric and whine about how people are trying to cancel her.

ETA: Mixed in with lots of child-friendly tweets related to her books, as if that isn't a recipe for disaster.

I'm aware of her comments and the reaction, but I didn't understand your remark that she "crossed the line." A private citizen who expresses political opinions does not become a politician. I think there's a difference between a celebrity who holds political office and one who does not. Whether or not one expresses political opinions is not, in my opinion, the litmus test for whether one is a politician and should be treated as such.

 

[jaF0]

^^ Well, thread title says 'political figures' which one might become when tackling such issues.

 

[AlinaX]

I'm aware of her comments and the reaction, but I didn't understand your remark that she "crossed the line." A private citizen who expresses political opinions does not become a politician. I think there's a difference between a celebrity who holds political office and one who does not. Whether or not one expresses political opinions is not, in my opinion, the litmus test for whether one is a politician and should be treated as such.

I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about power differentials.

Whether or not she's a professional politician, this is an extremely hot political topic. Trans rights are under immediate threat across the world, and for someone with a huge international platform to wade into the 'debate', it is a political act.

 

[mijbob79]

she is hot

 

[Enchantment_of_Nyx]

I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about power differentials.

Whether or not she's a professional politician, this is an extremely hot political topic. Trans rights are under immediate threat across the world, and for someone with a huge international platform to wade into the 'debate', it is a political act.

And it's certainly been seen as a political act. A senator quoted it very prominently in a speech announcing his decision to block consideration of the LGBTQ Equality Act. And now there's a whole collection of aging and, to all appearances, unimaginative senators who are brand-new Harry Potter fans.

JK Rowling doesn't user her Twitter just to post random opinions, and the opinion she posted wasn't casual. It was formally composed and clearly intended to be a statement on the issue.

To me, though, it shouldn't matter whether someone is a political figure, politician, celebrity, or your next door neighbor. I don't think it's okay to hijack real people and put them in erotic fiction. I think that's similar to your original point. It's a violation. Just because it's legal doesn't mean it should be given a home. Just because an author can find a place to post it doesn't mean they should.

 

[AlinaX]

I don't think it's okay to hijack real people and put them in erotic fiction. I think that's similar to your original point. It's a violation. Just because it's legal doesn't mean it should be given a home. Just because an author can find a place to post it doesn't mean they should.

Agreed. But given that Literotica does publish it, I'm glad Laurel draws lines.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Correct. All my fantasies involve only sexbots and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.

Weird.

 

[AlinaX]

Weird.

No kink-shaming, please.

 

[jaF0]

What if kink-shaming is your kink?

 

[SevMax2]

What if kink-shaming is your kink?

They're kink-shamers themselves, so clearly, they're hypocrites.

 

[AlinaX]

What if kink-shaming is your kink?

Then go for it. Meow...

 

[Zeb_Carter]

No kink-shaming, please.

Huh? So you're ashamed by me saying the word weird? That tells me a lot.