AOC and other sexy political figures

[AlinaX]

Huh? So you're ashamed by me saying the word weird? That tells me a lot.

Ashamed? No. Irritated by disingenuous commentary? Yes.

 

[Enchantment_of_Nyx]

Huh? So you're ashamed by me saying the word weird? That tells me a lot.

Are you just bored and trying to stir stuff up? Would you admit it if you were?

 

[DarkPleasures]

I'm just curious why people are discussing/debating politics (and now kink shaming) in Story Ideas. It has been established that Laurel will not allow "real" political people in stories here, so there's nothing more to talk about in yr his thread. Similar to Fetish & Sexuality board, this one used to be a safe haven where trolling was not allowed. Can we just go back to no arguing, bullying, or kink shaming and go back to sharing ideas?

 

[SevMax2]

I'm just curious why people are discussing/debating politics (and now kink shaming) in Story Ideas. It has been established that Laurel will not allow "real" political people in stories here, so there's nothing more to talk about in yr his thread. Similar to Fetish & Sexuality board, this one used to be a safe haven where trolling was not allowed. Can we just go back to no arguing, bullying, or kink shaming and go back to sharing ideas?

This is, for some odd reason, the hardest forum to keep to task to its stated mission. I don't know what it is about this particular forum, but it gets old after a while. Remember that stupid thread by Hung Son years ago? Completely unrelated to Story Ideas, yet people (I was guilty, too, up to a point, but I stopped) kept adding and posting to it. Ugh.

 

[Enchantment_of_Nyx]

I'm just curious why people are discussing/debating politics (and now kink shaming) in Story Ideas. It has been established that Laurel will not allow "real" political people in stories here, so there's nothing more to talk about in yr his thread. Similar to Fetish & Sexuality board, this one used to be a safe haven where trolling was not allowed. Can we just go back to no arguing, bullying, or kink shaming and go back to sharing ideas?

That was the story idea. Why not just ignore this thread? You know what it's about.

 

[DarkPleasures]

Remember that stupid thread by Hung Son years ago? Completely unrelated to Story Ideas, yet people (I was guilty, too, up to a point, but I stopped) kept adding and posting to it. Ugh.

Yes, I remember the plague known as HungSon as well as FantasiesOnly. Luckily Laurel recently got rid of sonofawhore too.

 

[DarkPleasures]

That was the story idea. Why not just ignore this thread? You know what it's about.

Hmmm...

The story idea was

Maybe stories of AOC and other sexy political figures (Example: Kaleigh McEnany) beings sluts or getting fucked rough.

but many people shat upon him and his idea and then began trolling.

 

[Enchantment_of_Nyx]

Hmmm...

The story idea was but many people shat upon him and his idea and then began trolling.

I'm not sure I conveyed what I mean. Your complaint, as I understood it, was that politically related things should not be discussed in Story Ideas. The story idea here was politically related.

I can't agree that anyone shat upon his idea. People disagreed with his idea. People were courteous to him or didn't directly address him at all. AlinaX, who disagreed with his idea, welcomed him and answered his question. I'm not sure which comments you consider trolling. There are some that I suspect were intended to stir the pot, but you'll have that anywhere, and trolling can be in the eye of the beholder.

Again, though, why not just ignore the thread?

 

[AlinaX]

... but many people shat upon him and his idea and then began trolling.

All we did was prove that keeping politics and politicians out of stories and story discussion is A Good Idea.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Are you just bored and trying to stir stuff up? Would you admit it if you were?

Not trying to do anything. Just expressing my opinions on things like everyone else.

What's your problem?

 

[SimonDoom]

All we did was prove that keeping politics and politicians out of stories and story discussion is A Good Idea.

I actually think this thread did a pretty good job not going overboard on the politics. I've seen threads go completely sideways on politics and this one didn't do that.

And I totally disagree about keeping politicians out of stories. I think satire is a hugely important right and that we should be free to make fun of, ridicule, and make up stories about powerful political figures so long as what we do isn't libelous (meaning, it tends to injure reputation, is false, but is conveyed in a way that people are likely to believe it).

You are free to right stories about celebrities at Literotica to your heart's content so long as the stories do not involve nonconsent.

 

[Enchantment_of_Nyx]

Not trying to do anything. Just expressing my opinions on things like everyone else.

What's your problem?

You were expressing your opinion about AlinaX? Come off it. I was teasing you, anyway.

 

[Enchantment_of_Nyx]

I actually think this thread did a pretty good job not going overboard on the politics. I've seen threads go completely sideways on politics and this one didn't do that.

And I totally disagree about keeping politicians out of stories. I think satire is a hugely important right and that we should be free to make fun of, ridicule, and make up stories about powerful political figures so long as what we do isn't libelous (meaning, it tends to injure reputation, is false, but is conveyed in a way that people are likely to believe it).

You are free to right stories about celebrities at Literotica to your heart's content so long as the stories do not involve nonconsent.

I think it's quite a reach to label the story idea, "stories of AOC and other sexy political figures (Example: Kaleigh McEnany) beings sluts or getting fucked rough," satire. There was no indication that it was intended as political commentary, humorous criticism, or humor of any description. This isn't just a matter of semantics. Calling it satire cloaks it in political speech.

If you want to defend it, I think the fair way to defend it is for what it is instead of trying to tie it to a broader, more easily defended principle and hoping for the slippery slope to pull everything down together. If you do want to try to do that, I think the fairer way would be to lay out the progression of the argument that way instead of trying to portray stories of real people being sluts or getting fucked rough as satire.

And again, this is not about somebody's right to free speech. It's about whether it is appropriate to post or host that particular content here.

 

[SimonDoom]

I think it's quite a reach to label the story idea, "stories of AOC and other sexy political figures (Example: Kaleigh McEnany) beings sluts or getting fucked rough," satire. There was no indication that it was intended as political commentary, humorous criticism, or humor of any description. This isn't just a matter of semantics. Calling it satire cloaks it in political speech.

If you want to defend it, I think the fair way to defend it is for what it is instead of trying to tie it to a broader, more easily defended principle and hoping for the slippery slope to pull everything down together. If you do want to try to do that, I think the fairer way would be to lay out the progression of the argument that way instead of trying to portray stories of real people being sluts or getting fucked rough as satire.

And again, this is not about somebody's right to free speech. It's about whether it is appropriate to post or host that particular content here.

That's a fair point. I've searched for and found some of the stories here and it would be a stretch to call some of them genuine "satire." They're just sex stories about celebrities. Some people get off on reading such stories. That's fine with me.

It's 100% clear that this site has always allowed such stories, with some limitations (no nonconsent), and I am 100% in support of it continuing to do so even though such stories don't do anything for me.

 

[SS100]

I sort of get the "politician erotica" thing, but only sort of, and it doesn't interest me personally.

But to those who ARE interested in this, I have a question: what turns you on more, a story about a politician you DON'T like, or about one you do? Is your attitude about this genre one of romance and attraction toward politicians you like or agree with, or a desire to see those you don't like or agree with humiliated or degraded?

For me it's a politician I don't like but a fictional one. I want to make my story sake and serious. and I love ones with incestuous villain protagonists

 

[J0line]

Elanor Roosevelt

She was rumored to be bisexual, and was Franklin's cousin, so that's three to six kinks right there. (lesbian, loving wives, incest & taboo, fetish (power). Maybe add in group sex, gay male and another fetish. (With an Edward Meechum-like character [from 'House of Cards'] who gets involved because of the wheelchair.)

 

[Bramblethorn]

Elanor Roosevelt

She was rumored to be bisexual, and was Franklin's cousin, so that's three to six kinks right there. (lesbian, loving wives, incest & taboo, fetish (power). Maybe add in group sex, gay male and another fetish. (With an Edward Meechum-like character [from 'House of Cards'] who gets involved because of the wheelchair.)

Fifth cousin once removed. I don't know of anywhere in the world where that would be considered incest.

 

[J0line]

Fifth cousin once removed. I don't know of anywhere in the world where that would be considered incest.

Literotica, relative = incest.

PS, I'm not ragging on Elanor, she was quite a gal.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Literotica, relative = incest.

Obligatory xkcd:

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/family_reunion.png

 

[J0line]

Obligatory xkcd:

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/family_reunion.png

True...So, why can't we drink (ourselves blind) on election day?

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't even know if anybody has ever grown a pair and tried to push a non-con story about a celeb here. In theory Laurel has said no to that idea. I have found in my nearly two decades on this site that some of the rules can be bent, others broken. It really has a lot to do with your over all skill as an author. And how many people you manage to piss off in a very short period of time.

You won't know until you try, though now that they have so many categories I do wish they would split celebrities from wholly fictional characters. Like Batman fake, Christian Bale not so much which means the rules should be a little different there.

 

[AlinaX]

Mmm, yes, you could have Raquel Welch get revenge on Ali Larter and Elle Woods by kidnapping them and forcing them to wear unfashionable clothes while being chased by dinosaurs on roller skates.

ETA:

"Wait," Ali said. "Wait. Why is she the only one in character?"

"I'm not the one who's had a complete personality transplant," Elle muttered.

Raquel laughed. "She's not the only one," she said. "I brought some old friends."

[T. Rex roars]

"Oh, great," Ali said. "They didn't even make sense in the film."

 

[Bramblethorn]

I don't even know if anybody has ever grown a pair and tried to push a non-con story about a celeb here. In theory Laurel has said no to that idea. I have found in my nearly two decades on this site that some of the rules can be bent, others broken. It really has a lot to do with your over all skill as an author. And how many people you manage to piss off in a very short period of time.

As I understand it, the site didn't ban celeb-NC in the early days, and I think there are still some stories that got approved back then.

You won't know until you try, though now that they have so many categories I do wish they would split celebrities from wholly fictional characters. Like Batman fake, Christian Bale not so much which means the rules should be a little different there.

I suspect the issue is that some characters are strongly associated with specific actors. Batman not so much, because everybody's had a go playing him, but if somebody were to post NC fanfic about Elizabeth Swann that comes pretty close to being NC fanfic about Keira Knightley since she's the only adult who's played that role.