Ayn Rand devotee finds actions have consequences!

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[KingOrfeo]

Show me where a "policy" decision cancels the 14th Amendment, even illegal aliens are said to have 14th Amendment rights.

Yes, but not including citizenship.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Show me where a "policy" decision cancels the 14th Amendment, even illegal aliens are said to have 14th Amendment rights.

You really can't be this dense.

section 1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


Once Ver renounced his citizenship he was no longer a naturalized citizen of the US . He's just like any other foreigner (criminal foreigner as it turns out) that wants to come visit. He gets no special consideration because he USED TO BE a naturalized citizen.

 

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[Ulaven_Demorte]

My point is, if that is true, and I'm sure it is, how can he be denied a tourist visa., like any other foreigner?

INS can deny a tourist visa for any reason they deem appropriate. In this case their expressed concern is that they don't believe he will leave the country when his visa expires. His application could also be refused because of his criminal past here in the US.

In short, he's a convicted criminal who left the country and renounced his citizenship to avoid paying taxes. Why SHOULD immigration grant him a tourist visa? He already has two strikes against him.

 

[KingOrfeo]

My point is, if that is true, and I'm sure it is, how can he be denied a tourist visa., like any other foreigner?

Because:

As Coin Desk noted, this all boils down to Immigration Service being afraid that Ver will try to stay longer than his visa will allow. What’s more, because Ver renounced his citizenship in America to avoid paying taxes, Ver is inadmissible. According to 8 USC 1182(a)(10)(E), in American immigration law:

Any alien who is a former citizen of the United States who officially renounces United States citizenship and who is determined by the Attorney General to have renounced United States citizenship for the purpose of avoiding taxation by the United States is inadmissible.

That provision alone is enough to reject Ver’s visa applications. However, there is more to Ver’s past that also makes him ineligible for a temporary visa. In 2002, Ver pleaded guilty to one criminal count each of dealing in explosives without a license, illegal storage of explosives, and mailing injurious articles. In short, he sold, poorly stored, and shipped explosives on eBay.

 

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[Ulaven_Demorte]

My apologies, I did not see the link in the OP, and did not know he was a convicted criminal. I did notice he was convicted of trafficking in "explosives." One would think he was shipping dynamite or C-4, Turns out he was selling Pest Control Report 2000 firecrackers, each containing up to 1 gram, or 0.035 ounce, of explosive powder. Big deal.

Which other laws that land you in prison do you believe are no big deal? There were at least three federal laws that he broke and admitted to.
1) He was selling explosives without a license to do so from January 1999 until August of 2000.
2) He stored up to 50lbs of those explosives in a residential apartment building
3) He was shipping explosives via the US Postal Service.

How many federal laws would he have to break before it became a "big deal" in your eyes?

"Pest Control Report 2000" (PCR 2000) firecrackers contained nearly 1,000 milligrams of explosive powder, which is far in excess of the legal limit (20 times the legal limit) for consumer firecrackers. These firecrackers, if used by consumers, could cause serious injuries or death. A Missouri company was forced to stop manufacturing these because of the possible danger to the public. So yeah, it was a big deal.

 

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[KingOrfeo]

There was a time in my lifetime when anyone 18 years old could buy dynamite if they needed to from our local feed store.

Good thing that time is past, then.

 

[RobDownSouth]

There was a time in my lifetime when anyone 18 years old could buy dynamite if they needed to from our local feed store.

Lynching was still legal back then too, right?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

There was a time in my lifetime when anyone 18 years old could buy dynamite if they needed to from our local feed store.

Truth is the federal government can make you, I, or any citizen a criminal any time they please. They have a mountain of laws and regulations to choose from. Don't be naive.

Ahhh, so your argument is that he shouldn't have been prosecuted for breaking three (at least) federal statutes because 40+ years ago you could buy dynamite at the feed store? I imagine you would be just fine with his storing 50 lbs of explosives in a residential apartment? Shipping explosives well beyond the legal limit via USPS endangering postal carriers? He's not a real criminal but instead was harassed and jailed for no other reason than that the government wanted to make him a convict 4 years BEFORE he renounced his citizenship and fled the US to avoid paying taxes?

This is some serious fucking Terminator time travelling bullshit right here.

Please feel free to correct any of the above.

 

[cowslinger64]

Ahhh, so your argument is that he shouldn't have been prosecuted for breaking three (at least) federal statutes because 40+ years ago you could buy dynamite at the feed store? I imagine you would be just fine with his storing 50 lbs of explosives in a residential apartment? Shipping explosives well beyond the legal limit via USPS endangering postal carriers? He's not a real criminal but instead was harassed and jailed for no other reason than that the government wanted to make him a convict?

Please feel free to correct any of the above.

Remember, he was one of those knuckleheads trying to stick up for Clive Bundy... You know, that poor guy just trying to feed his cows.

 

[BotanyBoy]

There was a time in my lifetime when anyone 18 years old could buy dynamite if they needed to from our local feed store.

And how did that work out? LOL there is a reason we can't do that anymore high speed.

Truth is the federal government can make you, I, or any citizen a criminal any time they please. They have a mountain of laws and regulations to choose from. Don't be naive.

And you love it.....when it suits you, much like "the will of the people" and states rights are just convenient RW talking points you don't take seriously.....

You have demonstrated as much on this board Cpt. Federal Supremacy