Because something is legal doesn't make it right

[subtleone]

Was going to post an intelligent argumentative post, but do you know what; I think it will be my precious time (of which I apparently have less than I thought) wasted...as SS seems to be so intent on giving us life advice when they know only one of our many facets I will reciprocate with something fairly basic but just about sums up my feelings - Get off your high horse and get yourself a life

 

[shy slave]

Spew Alert!!!

I forgot to say - If I pm you my Paypal account details will you pay off all the debts my drunken sloth of a catholic husband left me with if I promise to repent my sins & find YOUR God?

ROFL!

 

[Shankara20]

9). If anyone wants forgiveness, fall on your face before God and claim The Precious Blood of Jesus Christ to atone for your sin, and confess your sin, out loud, with your lips. Ask Jesus to please save you from eternity in everlasting fire.

sorry - I am only Topping at this time.

but that does sound like the start of a great session.

 

[shy slave]

Wow! at almost 60 it looks like I won this race

Ummm I would say perhaps you have not been deviant enough, but that can't be true can it

 

[SweetGigi]

I just love it when a Human Being takes it upon themselves to interpret God's Will for others.

Just to speak to my 'qualifications' for a second. I was raised in a Christian home and loved very much by my Christian parents and family. I have never been abused, I've never taken a single drug (unless a doctor prescribed it) and have never touched alcohol to my lips. I have had two sexual partners and was a virgin til I was 21 when my then 'good Catholic' fiancee convinced me to 'give it' up b/c we were 'practically married'. BTW, two months before our wedding I found out this 'good Catholic man' had a mistress who he had been seeing our ENTIRE relationship -since we were in high school- and that she was 4 mo. pregnant with his babies. He never intended to tell me or leave her; rather he was going to keep us separate and marry me anyway. Some good Catholic man, ehe? I have a BA in History- Main interest in Ancient Religions, Philosophies and Cultures. I have a Masters in Social Anthropology- Main Influence in Ancient Middle Eastern Religions. I have read every single piece of Religious literature I can get my hands on in either their original text or in first hand translations. I have researched everything there is to know on the roots of Christianity extensively and have a thorough knowledge on every denomination there in. Suffice to say, I am very well versed and educated on all things Christian. Oh did I mention I am deeply religious and very close to God in every way I can be. I am His servant.

Now, to the subject of your wielding God's Will for others in His stead. Who exactly do you think you are? Each man makes his place in this world and each man is responsible for their own salvation. Only Christ can save someone and only then by their own confession of faith and belief. You can not scare someone into believing in God because that 'faith' would not be based in truth and trust. While witnessing to others is God's Will for each of His Children, it is not His will for us to stomp out the free will of others.

Imagine this, if you were forced to live as something you knew in your heart you didn't believe. If your choice, your free will, was taken from you. How could that be right? How is that in anyway God's Will? In essence that is what you are doing here. You are trying to force another human into believing -through fear- in something that they really don't feel is right. (Whether it is "right" or not) It is not your place to 'win' a lost soul... it is your place- my place- to do what we can to show a truer path and pray that they find comfort within it.

I am a proud submissive to a most wonderful God fearing Man. We have our sins and we have our struggles, but we do not dismiss our own evil to convict others. We have our own battles to wage still yet and we are not in a place (I know) to cast stones. *"And why dost thou behold the mote that is in thy brother's eye, and the beam that is in thine own eye dost not consider? How art thou able to say to thy brother, Brother, suffer, I may take out the mote that is in thine eye -- thyself the beam in thine own eye not beholding? Hypocrite, take first the beam out of thine own eye, and then thou shalt see clearly to take out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.* You by your own admission of writing erotic literature, no matter how you justify it, is proof enough of your own mote you are unwilling to remove.

My submissiveness is a true path for me; I serve my Male and in by doing so I serve purpose within God's Will for my life. It is no different for me to serve my Male than it is for me to serve in my job, my community, or my family. It is God's Will for me to set a pace of other's to follow within this service. I am doing that one step at a time, but I know I am in no position to lead His army (as He sees fit) yet. I still must train... like any good solider.

Please, I beech you, cast out the mote from your own eye. See the evil in your own life and not just confess it but wash that sin from you mind just as God washes it from your soul. When you commit a sin again and again and again, you are not only re-committing the first sin but you are now committing a new sin: the sin of omission. Once you know the truth of a sin, you can not again commit that sin with out being held accountable for it. Only you can save yourself from your own sin through God's grace and love. Once you are able to do that, you will be in a better place to witness to others for God's work. Please do not come here and cast about your Sunday school lessons to rid yourself of the guilt you have for being here in the first place.

I hope you can find true peace. God be with you.

** Luke 6:41-42

 

[CutieMouse]

*****

 

[SweetGigi]

I keep thinking of other things, like how does the OP's opinion of deviant sexuality mesh with Taken In Hand? these are sexual "deviants" in that they tend to practice "light" BDSM, but also tend to be Christians... so if BDSM is deviant/a sin against God/yadayadayada, how does one explain Taken In Hand, and similar relationships?

EXACTLY!!!!

there is no way to do so. A true D/s relationship is a model lifestyle for how (Amato and I feel) a Christian marriage is to be.

So in essence, every good Christian marriage is D/s.... BRILLIANT!!

 

[shy slave]

I liked your thoughts on how serving meets God will SweetGigi.
Thank you.

 

[graceanne]

Ok, I'm not going to read the whole thread - I'm not that masochistic. I am going to put in a few quotes,

'those of you who have never sinned may cast the first stone'

'judge not, lest ye be judged'

And now that I'm done feeding the troll, I'm going to remind everyone else (in case no one else has)

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!

 

[graceanne]

EXACTLY!!!!

there is no way to do so. A true D/s relationship is a model lifestyle for how (Amato and I feel) a Christian marriage is to be.

So in essence, every good Christian marriage is D/s.... BRILLIANT!!

Oh, and real quick, YOU GO GIRL!

 

[SweetGigi]

Thanks, Ladies!!!


I just can't abide someone- esp those of my faith- who feel they are capabe of wielding the sword of God. That bad boy is heavy and has much too much responsibility attached to it. I'll leave the smiting to God thank you!!

so I said my piece and I've counted to three.


lets hope this thread dies.

 

[Shankara20]

5). The guilt for the sins of dead ancestors rests on the living through roots of ancient doom, extending up from the netherworld and resonating a cry for help from the damned, that someone among the living take responsibility for the sins of the dead, and confess these sins to Jesus Christ, asking forgiveness by The Power of His Precious Blood of Jesus for the the sins of the dead so they can come into God's Light.

Roman Catholic Franciscan priests cut the feet off Native American’s in Acoma Pueblo, in what we now call the state of New Mexico, to stop them from dancing there historic rituals. Roman Catholic Franciscan priests did this to force those native people to stop following there millenniums old spiritual path and into converting to “the word of Jesus” as understood by the only authority of that word – the Holy Roman Church

If those priests were wrong - how much time do you personally expect to spend in Purgatory for their sins – or will you go directly to Hell for eternity?

Those Native American’s that died before baptism went to Limbo – now that the Church tells me that the Limbo I was taught about during my 12 years in Roman Catholic schools no longer is real, where did those souls go?



I know I know - troll feeding - so punish me....

please

 

[CutieMouse]

*****

 

[Shankara20]

Regardless of Troll status, I really sincerely do feel a discussion of religion and how it impacts one's journey of sexual self-discovery is a worthwhile one...

I do agree.

That said, I must admit that the OP sparked in me a rant of still unresolved issues about my upbringing. So I just did not contain myself to civil discourse in what I, in my arrogance, considered to be a throw-away thread.

So how do we have that discussion in, hopefully, a respectful and healthy way?

*sounds of Shank now considering discussing something he never expected to be willing to discuss here*

 

[CutieMouse]

*****

 

[SweetGigi]

Regardless of Troll status, I really sincerely do feel a discussion of religion and how it impacts one's journey of sexual self-discovery is a worthwhile one...

now *that* i can respect

 

[gingermango]

I have a B.S. in engineering and a J.D., I've got a bunch of initials after my name, a bunch of diplomas and certificates of recognition on my professional wall, I'm an honorably discharged veteran of the armed forces and I'm an agnostic. People like the OP are here for two reasons: insecurity, requiring them to loudly proclaim their moral superiority; antagonism, to start ridiculous arguments.

In short, please don't feed the troll.

 

[Quint]

..............

 

[AngelicAssassin]

LOL, yes I have known many Catholics who have this view and thus feel it gives them the right to do anything they want to others because all is forgiven in confession...

Unfortunately, they didn't pay close enough attention in Catechism. There's a couple of little clauses most don't bother remembering. Time spent in Purgatory comes to mind. As for this claptrap:

3). Total life expectancy for the sexually deviant is 45 - 50 years.
5). The guilt for the sins of dead ancestors rests on the living through roots of ancient doom, extending up from the netherworld and resonating a cry for help from the damned, that someone among the living take responsibility for the sins of the dead, and confess these sins to Jesus Christ, asking forgiveness by The Power of His Precious Blood of Jesus for the the sins of the dead so they can come into God's Light.
7). Godless perversion is not an exercise of freedom. It is a sign of spiritual bondage. To break spiritual bondage sin must be confessed to a person qualified to forgive sin.
8). Roman Catholicism is the practice of becoming immortal by the principle maxim of sorcery: If you know an entity's name, and you take on its nature, you have access to its power. For Roman Catholics this translates to: If you know The Name Jesus Christ, and you take on His Nature you will be Immortal.

To the first, i so love beating the odds. To the second, while you have the basic principle correct, in that the living can speed the dead's time through Purgatory by prayer, no obligation exists for doing so, and no onus to your own soul is incurred by the sins of the "father." Next, i guess the concept of free will went right over your head. Most Catholic priests i've heard interpret the whole free will issue as God wanting free thinking individuals to come to him showing love & respect and willing to play by His rules, not automatons. Most humans spend most of their lives looking for a partner on earth to provide something similar ... perhaps seeking heaven on earth. To the last, wow. Does the name Simon Magus mean anything to you?

sorry, im jewish. your doctrine is wasted on me.

to pre-empt the "your jewish - you need saving" bit:

MIS, i respect your views, but as another stick it "point" for the op, Christ was Jewish, as were the original "Catholics." Us Gentiles jumped on the bandwagon after the crucifixion and in point of fact as part of a deal between Peter and Paul. Must bite tongue on adding Mary for the perfect musical pun.

This would be why I asked if you'd read the original texts of the Bible. Do you have any IDEA how often God's original words have been edited or corrected to fit Man's agenda?

Better yet, all of the books not included in the Bible following The First Council of Nicaea and any other additions/subtractions condoned in following historical ecumenical councils. Pardon my sarcasm in holding great faith by anything decided by committee. While i do hold the original creed close and dear, some of the other nuts and boilerplate i can do without.

 

[BiBunny]

Pardon my sarcasm in holding great faith by anything decided by committee.

Priceless.

As far as the rest of this thread goes, I have no desire to justify myself, my spirituality, or my sexuality to anyone. I can look at myself in the mirror, and that's really all that matters.

 

[CutieMouse]

*****

 

[SweetGigi]

Quietly geeks on AA... ......

I'm with you, CM.


such a sharp mind is terribly sexy.

 

[Kajira Callista]

(Still thinking on how to have a benificial discussion, on such a delicate subject...)

It can't happen. Been there done that too many times.

 

[CutieMouse]

*****

 

[Kajira Callista]

Yeah, see that would be why I'm still thinking, intead of acting, and wondering if maybe even this thread was a bad idea. Sigh.

I would add my opinion and also what i know to be the truth about stuff like confession and part of the prayer you say during confession being that you will AMEND your life and about the church accepting that you dont/didnt see a certain act...thing...whatever as a sin. I could also tell you how this religion keeps me moving forward in my life and is warm and wonderful to me, but if i do that you will have 1000 people telling you how wrong i am and how bad my religion is. Good luck on the quest for a civil thread.