Because something is legal doesn't make it right

[graceanne]

No offense taken, MP! *chuckles* Just because someone claims the mantle of "Christian" does not make them one, any more than a troll claiming to be a "Dominant" makes them one of those either.

My personal walk with God is just that. Personal. I accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior. In my dealings with others I try (but often fall short of the goal) to think in terms of "what would Jesus do?". The answer I almost always get is to be kind, to be compassionate, to be honest, to be gentle, to be generous.

If one looks to the life Christ led, and the words He left behind for us to remember, if we seek to follow His example, the only time he ever completely blew his cool and uncorked on people was dealing with the money changers in the Temple... Hello! God hates usery and greed, particularly if practiced in His house... *grin*

God is the ultimate Dominant... Christ the ultimate submissive. That is the Divine Example of a D/s relationship.

Nuff said.

Yes... I finally just HAD to toss a couple of cookies in for the troll... OH! And a as a healthy alternative!

DO NOT GIVE COOKIES TO THE TROLLLS! You sicko.

Also, Jesus tended to loose his patience a bit with the pharisses and sadusees (sp?), because they followed the letter of the law, but not the meaning of the law.

 

[graceanne]

grace i PRAY your not christian... having to give up chocolet for lent i think would kill you...

I am christian, but I don't celebrate lent. Isn't that catholic? Either way - I'm non-denominational.

 

[trojan_man_co]

I am christian, but I don't celebrate lent. Isn't that catholic? Either way - I'm non-denominational.

actualy you are correct (im catholic and forget where each one branches off sometimes) BUT the point was DONT EVER GIVE UP THE CHOCOLET...

i think if you ever did it would be the largest massicure ever committed...

 

[graceanne]

actualy you are correct (im catholic and forget where each one branches off sometimes) BUT the point was DONT EVER GIVE UP THE CHOCOLET...

i think if you ever did it would be the largest massicure ever committed...

If the chocolate nazi (aka my husband) had his way I'd never eat chocolate again. Luckily enough for the world I have access to money and my own car. Otherwise I'm sure I'd be divorced and I woldn't have a chocolate nazi to yell at me when I eat too much chocolate and make myself sick. *sigh*

Want proof God has a sense of humor? He made it so chocolate makes me sick.

 

[shy slave]

deleted my post.

Why waste words on people who don't listen. If I wanted to do that I would call my ex-husband!

Anyone else think this person is an alt?

 

[graceanne]

deleted my post.
I can't be bothered to waste words on someone who is a hypocrite

Anyone else think this person is an alt?

To tell the truth he reminds me a bit of bytor- but with religion added into the mix.

 

[yevkassem72]

deleted my post.

Why waste words on people who don't listen. If I wanted to do that I would call my ex-husband!

Anyone else think this person is an alt?

Or just a troll. And I can relate to the ex issue. Another reason I made a poor Christian. I need this divorce to go through for my own sanity.

 

[graceanne]

Or just a troll. And I can relate to the ex issue. Another reason I made a poor Christian. I need this divorce to go through for my own sanity.

Bytor is one of our old, regular trolls, I haven't seen him around for awhile.

 

[yevkassem72]

Bytor is one of our old, regular trolls, I haven't seen him around for awhile.

Then this could be him.

 

[shy slave]

No, I liked Bytor.

This troll is too wordy to be him.

Bytor was more 'You are all hideous fucking perverts'

He was a straight to the point kind of troll, who every now and then escaped the GB and ended up here.

I think I heard he was an alt of a female poster here, but maybe I imagined that.

 

[graceanne]

No, I liked Bytor.

This troll is too wordy to be him.

Bytor was more 'You are all hideous fucking perverts'

He was a straight to the point kind of troll, who every now and then escaped the GB and ended up here.

I think I heard he was an alt of a female poster here, but maybe I imagined that.

I have to say I like bytor, too. I guess I was thinking that maybe Bytor got worse, but I think you're right.

And I've never heard that bytor was an alt of a female poster here, but I could be wrong.

 

[NemoAlia]

I am determined to be educated by this thread. Please help me.

soelancia?
galrax?
folshiry?
hindery?
flaclec?

*Runs off to prepare a new to-do list, just in case.*

 

[Xelebes]

You know what sucks about this thread?

The watered-down verbosity.

Re-submit.

 

[marieR19]

I soooooo could spend HOURS debating every single point this person has made, and a part of me wants to because I loooooove debating religious views with people, but I have the feeling my intelligent answers would be wasted on him.

I will echo some of what others have said, however:
First, there are a LOT bigger and worse things for God to worry about then what I do with my sex life.
Second, this person assumes sooooo many things about us, just because of our sexual lifestyles, it's rediculous (sp?).
Third, that post where he talked about having "superhuman powers" or whatever.... had me almost falling out of my chair laughing. And he thinks WE need help?!
Fourth..... I do believe in God, I do pray, I do study the bible, etc, (admittedly in an alternative way), but if I really believed that confessing my sins to some dude at a church is going to make them go away, I would be home free!

Anyways.


Heather

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

Don't mind me people I am just sitting here listening to the devil's music .............

It may lead to............

















dancing

 

[DVS]

I have total freedom. I don't need to work at a job. God gives me all the money I need. I can't give money away fast enough to get rid of it all. I have everything I have ever dreamed of, and much more. My life is perfect, and I'm immortal. You can't beat that. My life literally has no problems, because I confess sin, and put God first. I've been delivered from two terminal illnesses. I am free to do whatever I want all the time.

OK, OK...I'll feed the JF. Say, brother, I'll help you lighten your load and your pocketbook, if you want to enlighten this sad and depraved sinner with a little monetary reward. And, if we can strike up a deal, it would surely last a while, you being immortal and all. OK with you?

You've been delivered from two terminal illnesses? And, you say you're free to do whatever you want, all of the time? From where I sit, it looks to me like God isn't happy with how you live your life. You've been doing bad things and caught some nasty bugs for it.

Yes, I know God is patient, but even I don't do whatever I want, all of the time. Life has rules, you know. Say a "Hail Mary" or two, do ya? Go out with the nasty boys on Saturday night and then drag your sorry ass into mass on Sunday morning and confess your evil doings of the night before? That's blasphemy, don't you think? We are to learn from our mistakes, not repeat them.

Back to those terminal illnesses...do you think perhaps the third time is the charm? You should settle down and start living on the straight and narrow. I'd be worried about getting struck by lightening. Strike three!

Take no offense from my post. I'm just a sinner, somewhat like yourself. But, I've learned there are some things God just doesn't like, and so I stay away from them. Ever heard of such a thing?

 

[Life_Noir]

It can't happen. Been there done that too many times.

*ROFLMAO*...

KC is absolutely right...there is NOTHING more pointless than a religious argument of this sort...
*lol*
It even takes the throne from the random "He {or she} keeps looking at me!!!" arguments that kids have in the back seat of the car on trips..

Just because there is no PROOF....
Unless someone {spare us the pointless rhetoric, we both know I mean someone actually engaged in the discussion} is willing to take a shot at dying... And then coming back as a witness...
Hmmmm...
But as that goes... Well... Since it's SwanSwords argument...it's up to them to provide said proof...

 

[Life_Noir]

I soooooo could spend HOURS debating every single point this person has made, and a part of me wants to because I loooooove debating religious views with people, but I have the feeling my intelligent answers would be wasted on him.

I will echo some of what others have said, however:
First, there are a LOT bigger and worse things for God to worry about then what I do with my sex life.
Second, this person assumes sooooo many things about us, just because of our sexual lifestyles, it's rediculous (sp?).
Third, that post where he talked about having "superhuman powers" or whatever.... had me almost falling out of my chair laughing. And he thinks WE need help?!
Fourth..... I do believe in God, I do pray, I do study the bible, etc, (admittedly in an alternative way), but if I really believed that confessing my sins to some dude at a church is going to make them go away, I would be home free!

Anyways.


Heather

*grin*...Well..... I can certainly buy someone having shot him... *lol* It's the most "human", most understandable, and most likely, of all his assertions...

 

[Auraka6669]

You know. This has to be the most civil thread on the subject I've seen in a long time.

The only one being jabbed at is the OP.


Anyways, my personal out look on theology.

Take a look at just about anything, from the Native Americans to Catholics to {Insert religion here}... the basic message is.

DON'T BE A DOUCHE BAG!

Now I realize that I'm not very good at that all the time... So I'll probably end up in some variation of hell. If one exists that is.

There is a higher power (IMO). I'm pretty sure all religion is one and the same in the end...

Just like a glass of water filled fifty percent is the same... Is it half full, or half empty though? It's all in how you view it. Still a fucking glass filled fifty percent.

I think it was BiBunny that summed it up though.

Priceless.

As far as the rest of this thread goes, I have no desire to justify myself, my spirituality, or my sexuality to anyone. I can look at myself in the mirror, and that's really all that matters.

As a topic of discussion. I like it. It seems that religion has long been a reason to feel repressed sexually. Which is why you so oft hear about catholic school girls gone wild. On that note. Would it be fair to say, that the very thing the church seeks to destroy... is what they are in fact creating instead? (Lust and all that jazz.)

Ok. I've said way more than I thought I would. Back to lurking I go.

 

[SwanSword]

Pain

Here it comes...



Really? Clinton seems to be doing quite well still.

Any source for those statistics, or did you just read it on www.ChristianAgitProp.org



Anotehr statistic without anything to back it up... Was this from a peer reviewed journal or from the same guys who brought the completely unfounded soy makes you gay BS.



Well for this to be valid, one would first have to have your belief set, and the participants here run the gamut of all religions.






Again, please present links to peer reviewed articles on this by geneticists. Failing that, at least cite some sources so it does not sound like you are making it up on the fly.


What are the qualifications to forgive sin? Do these qualifications get revoked if they have molested an altar boy?


Not going there on the sex scandals of the Roman Catholic Church once again.


Hmmm... here you say to go before God and ask for forgiveness, but above you say to go before someone 'qualified' to grant forgiveness. Which is it, God or one of his qualified intermediaries? You are contradicting yourself here.


I ain't out to hurt you, I just am asking you to give me some citations for your sources about changes in DNA and such. Are you a qualified geneticist? Do you have a peer reviewed paper on the changes brought on in DNA by the above transgressions?

Either way....

http://www.graphittidesigns.com/shop/files/images_backup/t_82171.jpg

Have a nice day.

NOTE: To any Catholic or Christian posters on this board, no offense is meant to any of you... Just calling out the troll...[/QUOTE]


Let me just say this: What you truly seek lies hidden in the hearts of those who do not see with their eyes. When you see nightmares in the daylight, and fear that touches you at night, you shall remember the words I wrote here, and you will cry. Your tough from behind a keyboard, but it's all a show. You come here to masquerade and play, but the game is deadly. It's cute at first, but that's when you've only seen the tip of the tail of the dragon. Sorcerers, secular humanists, diviners, witches, occult practitioners, satanists, and pagans; especially those who practice godless perversion are wiped off the earth mercilessly by their god, The Prince of all demons, Satan.

You people are all failry young. I can tell. You've never experienced real pain. It's coming. First you will have dreams you can remember all day. Then your life will change in a fundamental way. Your loved ones will become distant as the master of the darkness tightens his grip, and seals you off from any support system. He will engage you in an unholy union of temptation and sin. You will tuck your head under a pillow of cold secular humanism, where you plug your ears, close your eyes, and chant, "There is no God".

You've lost your soul to Satan, and he will use you in his army until your flesh is consumed, and then lay you to waste. You have paganism and witchcraft in your ancestry, and you belong to Satan. You always did. The only way out for you is Jesus Christ. If you confess the sins of your dead ancestors to God, pleading The Precious Blood of Jesus Christ to atone for those sins, the roots of ancient doom that tie you to Hell will be severed, and you will become free to worship God.

 

[SwanSword]

Suicide is a terrible thing.

Or maybe you were just born with a silver spoon in your mouth? I had a very dear friend who lived a very pure christian lifestyle, encouraged by her mother who indoctrinated her into those views. They always lived a poor & miserable life on the verge of poverty. Unfortunately she never quite felt 'pure' enough so comitted the ultimate sin of taking her own life! Her mother eventually died of cancer - surrounded by her xtian friends, as have Wiccans I know (surrounded by wiccan friends).

Anyway, if I am a sexual deviant you have already stated I'm going to die young - therefore I dont need to worry about dying old & alone because I'm evil.

I have experienced the gritty, urban, merciless lifestyles of people desperate to commit sin. I have also experienced poverty and wealth. I have lived on the street, and in a mansion. I have driven my own car, and had a driver. I dated a Playboy Centerfold once. I've lived 10 lifetimes in 26 years.

There are different kinds of Roman Catholics. There are those who use the Sacraments as justification for patterns of intentional sin to continue, and when these people reproduce the give all their sin to their children. Roman Catholicism must be practiced properly. For every failure of Roman Catholicism I can show you a unrepentant sinner who was born into the Church, and who didn't practice the Sacraments properly.

I practice Roman Catholicism full time, and seriously. I don't intentionally commit sin, and when I do commit a sin I go to confession. Most of my sins are things like losing my patience with family members, cheating at board games, breaking a promise, beating somebody up, over spending on things I don't really need, and fantasizing about women I meet at the shopping mall. I know I am blessed beyond measure, and God had it in His Heart to snatch me from the jaws of the beast.

 

[SwanSword]

Nothing I have said scares me.

I have good qualifications too. However, a dgree in chemistry does not give you a right to force your own beliefs down the throats of others by scaremongering, which, by the way, is my interpretation of 'religious nut.'

If the Truth scares people it isn't because I'm trying to scare them. Truth is Truth, and Truth is Light. If the light is scary, that's because that fear is already inside of you. God won't harm you. He wants to help you. You're not going to be cast in everlasting fire because you come to God and ask for Mercy. God will never let anyone who comes before Him asking for Mercy, in Jesus Name, be cast into Hell. It's only if people don't do this that their souls will suffer.

 

[Life_Noir]

Let me just say this: What you truly seek lies hidden in the hearts of those who do not see with their eyes. When you see nightmares in the daylight, and fear that touches you at night, you shall remember the words I wrote here, and you will cry. Your tough from behind a keyboard, but it's all a show. You come here to masquerade and play, but the game is deadly. It's cute at first, but that's when you've only seen the tip of the tail of the dragon. Sorcerers, secular humanists, diviners, witches, occult practitioners, satanists, and pagans; especially those who practice godless perversion are wiped off the earth mercilessly by their god, The Prince of all demons, Satan.

You people are all failry young. I can tell. You've never experienced real pain. It's coming. First you will have dreams you can remember all day. Then your life will change in a fundamental way. Your loved ones will become distant as the master of the darkness tightens his grip, and seals you off from any support system. He will engage you in an unholy union of temptation and sin. You will tuck your head under a pillow of cold secular humanism, where you plug your ears, close your eyes, and chant, "There is no God".

You've lost your soul to Satan, and he will use you in his army until your flesh is consumed, and then lay you to waste. You have paganism and witchcraft in your ancestry, and you belong to Satan. You always did. The only way out for you is Jesus Christ. If you confess the sins of your dead ancestors to God, pleading The Precious Blood of Jesus Christ to atone for those sins, the roots of ancient doom that tie you to Hell will be severed, and you will become free to worship God.

Which would be the standard BS misdirection which is designed to cover up the fact that he/she has in fact no publicly presentable proof of their assertions.... Certainly none that would satisfy anyone who is looking for anything other than a shallow and self serving justification for their own bigotry, religious tunnel vision, and their mistaken feelings of whatever "superiority" they hold close to their heart.

In other words..."Blah blah blah...SSDD...And more of the same repeatedly"

If the board will forgive the direct addressing thereof...

Your suppositions and contentions are unsupported, and your theology is both arrogant and flawed...
Might I suggest.... Print off your statements...All of them... And run them by three priests... Pick 'em at random.
THEN come back and tell us all that we are sinners...

 

[the captians wench]

I've been adimitly avoiding this thread but something drew me to it this morning and all I can say is that it makes me sad.

I've often thought about writing a book on the D/s frame of mind and the christian standing, but I don't think that my path is close enough to God at the moment.

I've always tried to respect every one here, and every one in general. Hell I worked with pagans for a while (we had a running joke because the pagans just happened to be dominate and the "good little christian girls" just happend to be submissive, so the pagans got to beat on the christians this time round. ), the way we got along is we didn't hold another's believes against the person. And we didn't hold past dealings with others in that person's faith as an example of what that person would be like. The way I could "cope" with it so to speak is that I love the person and hate the sin. (please any one of a different faith that I offend please forgive me, this is one of the largest reasons I don't post my feelings about religion on this forum because I know that my views would be offencive to others and I don't mean to be offencive or judgemental at all). I prayed for them every night, and when I saw opertunities I showed my faith by example, not by preaching at them. When we had a difference of opinion on a religious matter, I debated my point, until it was obvious to all of us that none of us were going to be swayed.

To be christian is to be Christ like. Christ did not go out of his way, in most instances, to shove his pholosophies down people's throughts. Insted he taught those who saught his knowledge, and lived by example. This is how I hope to show my faith. And I'm far from perfect. My walk has been a shakey one my whole life, but only I can know where I stand with God.

 

[SwanSword]

Firstly, why are you presuming to know what questions I would like to ask? You didn't touch on any of them, BTW.

I was addressing the replies to my reply in a different post in a very generic way.

THIS I find fascinatng. You have no idea what BDSM is about, yet you feel qualified to rescue people from it, because it is wrong... if you don't really understand BDSM, how do you know it's wrong? I presume you'll be using religion to back up your argument; it's a good thing your'e Catholic. (I don't have time to go into it at the moment, as I really *really* should be working, but I will touch on this point later.)

I saw the title of the last thread in the forum menu and I knew whatever BDSM is, it isn't good.

Also- how do you write erotic fiction that doesn't induce lust?

A truly erotic experience, according to the ancient Greek and Roman pagans who coined the term, comes through a temporary loss of reason, or theia mania, during which a man places the needs of his love object for security and commitment above his own base animal instincts, elevating person-hood above passion; and after a suitable period of time has passed the two lovers make public their intentions to have children together, having remained pure in mind and heart, and the man gives the woman his name.
According to Plato, The issue of blood and water from the virgin, within the confines of sanctified marriage, blesses her marriage bed for creation of new blessed life, and seals the blood covenant of marriage between God, bridegroom, and virgin. It is by keeping the seal God placed over the virgin's innocence intact until the virgin has a name for her children that new blessed life will come from her womb. It is the virgin's innocent sacrifice that atones for man's accursed seed. The soiled bride brings forth accursed offspring because her sacrifice to her husband is impure.

Both partners bring their most precious possession to the marriage-The man gives the woman his name, and the woman gives the man an innocent sacrifice so his accused seed might be atoned for, and his offspring be blessed man-child. If the virgin remains obedient to her master, all her offspring will be blessed, for she remains a virgin if she is obedient. The progeny of the disobedient wife are drunkards, robbers, murderers, cut throats, godless perverts, warlocks, witches, the mentally ill, psychopathic criminals, rapists, misers, fornicators, apostates, chronic victims, suicide victims, murder victims, sloths, drug addicts, gamblers, and pagans.

The disobedient wife causes problems, not God.

This would be a lovely example of what I did *not* mean when I asked the debate be respectful. I know a large number of people who go to confession, believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ, follow the dogma of their chosen religion... and are far more evil than someone who practices kinky sex.

People who sin, and then repent are forgiven. Forgiven sin is not passed on to future generations, cursing mankind to extinction.

This sounds religiously spammy. Ew. It's like a Christian-Infomerical... "Join God and Make money Money MONEY!!!!" "Join God, Inc, and have all your bodily ills healed! The doctor says you're dying! Pfft! God will heal you if you have enough Faith!" Little unsolicited advice from me to you (as a once upon a time born again Christian, then Roman Catholic)- humility, grace, and examples of God's Love works far better than spam.

Are you removing my right to tell people they can have everything they ever wished for. What is the real problem? It's that you couldn't get the same thing, no matter how hard you tried. You weren't sincere. You didn't put God first, and He cast you out. I guarantee if you try it again, and put God ahead of everything else, you will never want for anything.

Yet you are judging...

BTW- which version/edition of the Bible do you read, and have you read the original texts in Latin, Greek, and Hebrew?

The Truth does the judging. If Truth convicts a person it's because that person is guilty. But I have given everyone a way out of the guilt. If you don't like that way out, you hate God. If you hate God, showing you utter contempt by refusing to come to Him for Mercy, He will not draw close to you. When I speak The Truth it is from man/Gods, of the race of Jesus and Mary inside my soul uttering The Truth as only immortal beings can.

I accidentally left my Bible somewhere, but I know it by heart so I don't really need the book.