Bernie!

[sr71plt]

and now has just about tied Hillary in the polls.

But, no he hasn't. That keeps running as wishful thinking. Clinton has him by several hundreds of delegate votes even without the super delegates and they are running out of votes to collect (and back into Clinton territory on that). She's also 2.5 million votes ahead of him in individual primary votes. If he wins 57 to 40 percent in New York rather than the reverse currently projected, there's room to talk on "just about tie" in the polls. Until then it's just bravado wishful thinking projection and a waste of time to discuss.

I just keep pointing out the Hillary stats to bring this back into objective discussion. I'm not, as BB keeps trying to paint me as, a Hillary cheerleader. I'm not wild about any of them. But I'm trying to be realistic on who can actually function as president in any semblance of where I'd like the country to head. And, with Bernie, so far it's all empty talk and memememe with no preparation to get anything done as president--as it is with a lot of folks on this forum. Most of you are off in lalaland on getting a working government set up to do anything you want done (or not done).

 

[JackLuis]

But, no he hasn't. That keeps running as wishful thinking. Clinton has him by several hundreds of delegate votes even without the super delegates and they are running out of votes to collect (and back into Clinton territory on that). She's also 2.5 million votes ahead of him in individual primary votes. If he wins 57 to 40 percent in New York rather than the reverse currently projected, there's room to talk on "just about tie" in the polls. Until then it's just bravado wishful thinking projection and a waste of time to discuss.

I just keep pointing out the Hillary stats to bring this back into objective discussion. I'm not, as BB keeps trying to paint me as, a Hillary cheerleader. I'm not wild about any of them. But I'm trying to be realistic on who can actually function as president in any semblance of where I'd like the country to head. And, with Bernie, so far it's all empty talk and memememe with no preparation to get anything done as president--as it is with a lot of folks on this forum. Most of you are off in lalaland on getting a working government set up to do anything you want done (or not done).

Huff Po
Hillary Clinton 48.3%
Bernie Sanders 45.3%

However you didn't answer the questions I asked. You're just spouting "He hasn't a chance!" as you have since the start of this race.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Huff Po
Hillary Clinton 48.3%
Bernie Sanders 45.3%

However you didn't answer the questions I asked. You're just spouting "He hasn't a chance!" as you have since the start of this race.

I have to admit, Bernie has been steadily closing the gap, but this coming Tuesday might dash his hopes and, if it doesn't, the following Tues. will. There are even more delegates to be won on April 26 than there are on April 19.

 

[BotanyBoy]

OTOH, how many Congressional Candidates will say they support him, with the Clinton machine staring down at them?

None, they all work for Sachs too.

Clinton has him by several hundreds of delegate votes even without the super delegates

Liar liar liar....Clinton Cheerleading pantsuit on fire.

213 is not several hundred.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_delegate_count.html

I'm not, as BB keeps trying to paint me as, a Hillary cheerleader.

Really Mr.Clinton is crushing it by several hundred?

I'm not wild about any of them. But I'm trying to be realistic on who can actually function as president in any semblance of where I'd like the country to head.

More of the same ol' whoring the working class out to Wall St. bankers? Monsanto? Insurance companies? Funneling more and more money from the poor to the rich??

Because that's the direction Clinton will take us.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lpQvoHDEkrs/hqdefault.jpg

I have to admit, Bernie has been steadily closing the gap, but this coming Tuesday might dash his hopes and, if it doesn't, the following Tues. will. There are even more delegates to be won on April 26 than there are on April 19.

If he wins NY the 26th will be a sad day for Clinton as she will be forced to lean on her supers to get the nomination and likely seal the fate of the current DNC should it go down that way. That blatant disenfranchisement of the progressive liberal base could easily if not likely lead to a major fracturing of the DNC. Which will lead to them being in the same position the GOP is in now, full defense mode while the villagers with pitchforks and torches voting wholesale to burn the mother fucker to the ground.

Also this is mostly all going down in majorly blue states, Sanders has to this point done far better than Clinton in the more liberal leaning states. If that trend continues.....could be a huge upset to the whole "Clinton is inevitable and NO ONE CAN STOP HER!!" crowd.

One way or the other Sanders has won just by getting his message out and painting Clinton and a large portion of the current DNC for the corporate whores that they have become in front of any and everyone paying attention. And it's hugely popular and becomes more so every day because it's true.

 

[Hypoxia]

The discombobulated political maze called USA is most entertaining. "PRESIDENCY: The greased pig in the field game of American politics." --Ambrose Bierce

Various maniacs try to seize that pig. Only the obsessed make it. It's a dirty game, what with district- and vote-rigging, suppression, disenfranchisement, massive bribery, fact-avoidance, rule-diddling, etc. Bernie probably won't play dirty enough to win.

How can a side 'steal' a nomination or election? In democracy, whoever gets the most votes wins. If one side gains 40% of votes but 60% of seats, delegates, power, then it's been stolen. If the rules are rigged so the theft is legal, or if a court declares a loser to have won, what can you do? Dismantle and rebuild the whole system? Rotsa ruck.

 

[sr71plt]

TIn democracy, whoever gets the most votes wins.

You've posted this before. Then, as now, so far on the Democratic side, that's who is winning--the one who's gotten the most individual votes. So, what do you have to bitch about other than wishful thinking?

 

[Hypoxia]

You've posted this before. Then, as now, so far on the Democratic side, that's who is winning--the one who's gotten the most individual votes. So, what do you have to bitch about other than wishful thinking?

Again, big-population states haven't yet voted, and as I've pointed out, Los Angeles County or the San Francisco Bay Area alone could reverse Hillary's popular lead. The California primary is almost two months off. Count not thy votes before they're cast.

As old Joe Stalin said, "It's not who votes that counts, but who counts the votes". Corporate-financed Dem machine operatives will take great pains to ensure as few as possible Bernie delegates are seated, just as their GOP counterparts will maneuver Tromp. At conventions, popular votes matter not. Rules committees decide whose votes will be counted. It'a a blood sport.

I see both these private companies incorporated in Delaware as facing severe strains between their owners and their screwed-over rank-and-files. Will the machines prevail? Probably. In 2016, anyway. Beyond that, we'll see.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Bernie is doing a great job!

The gap is closing in New York just like it has in all the other contests that were a tie or he won. Hillary has to keep changing her public policy positions in order to have anything to say in the debates. And he is raising money $27 at a time from another million new individual contributors as he heads into Tuesday.

Best campaign in my memory. Best candidate for president in my lifetime.

I hope you all are giving your $27!

 

[BotanyBoy]

Again, big-population states haven't yet voted, and as I've pointed out, Los Angeles County or the San Francisco Bay Area alone could reverse Hillary's popular lead.

Really only if he does well in NY.

If NY goes the way of other very liberal states and whips the pantsuit off of Goldman Sachs Golden girl CA and the rest of the lib states will jump on the 'Bern the house down!' bandwagon and Sandaz will win.

Unlikely he'll get the nomination, but he will have won in more ways than just the popular vote.

Now if NY decides they are going to stick with (R)odham, CA will prob follow and we'll get 4 more of the same ol' shit.

We'll just have to try and oust Sachs from the white house again next election.

The California primary is almost two months off. Count not thy votes before they're cast.

That's Clinton's big hope....having the major media outlets beat that "Clinton is inevitable, New York is hers and so is California, SHE'S ALREADY WON!!" drum as hard as they can.

Just listen to her fan club they keep repeating that same shit over and over again.

They chug that Sachs Kool-Aid by the gallon.

 

[JackLuis]

Brooklyn councilman electrifies Sanders rally: ‘You’re goddamn right’ he’s waging ‘war with reality’

New York City Councilman Jumaane Williams fired up a crowd in Brooklyn over the weekend with a rousing endorsement of Sen. Bernie Sanders for president.

“What [New York Daily News] said about Bernie Sanders is that he is at war with reality,” Williams told a large group of supporters in Prospect Park on Sunday. “And I thought to myself, ‘You’re goddamn right.”

Because too many people’s reality in this borough, and in this city, in this nation needs to be at war with,” he continued. “Too many people’s reality is struggle. And maybe if you’re not at war with reality, you’re not focused enough.”

According to the councilman, the Sanders campaign represented a “political revolutionary moonshot.”

“From an eight-hour workday, to no child labor, from LGBT rights, to women’s suffrage, from the Civil Rights movement, to freeing the slaves, were all revolutionary moonshots,” he insisted. “In fact, the birth of this nation was a revolutionary moonshot. The people who say it cannot be done, please move out of the way of the people who are doing.”

“I’m proud today to endorse the next president of the United States of America, Senator Bernie Sanders, who will bring the revolutionary moonshot, baby!” Williams concluded.

A small gathering of 20,000 people hears Bernie declare a new page in the history of American Politics, SPEAKING THE TRUTH!

 

[sr71plt]

Showmanship rather than governance. Betcha BB doesn't even read this. I'll be back to take a look at this thread on Wednesday.

https://medium.com/@robinalperstein/on-becoming-anti-bernie-ee87943ae699#.ft7sh4dot

 

[BotanyBoy]

Showmanship rather than governance. Betcha BB doesn't even read this. I'll be back to take a look at this thread on Wednesday.

https://medium.com/@robinalperstein/on-becoming-anti-bernie-ee87943ae699#.ft7sh4dot

You'd bet wrong, the guy was fucking long winded but didn't say a whole lot.

It's not showmanship to not continue down the same 'fuck the working class' path, that's just a cop out excuse Sachs fan boys like yourself use to feel better about voting to fuck the working class over for the 1%'ers.

Hillary and her supporters are Republicans that are either to chicken shit to admit it or to stupid to realize it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

No they really aren't. They are realists.

And it is showmanship/protesting to continue putting forth shit you know will not get passed. That's no different than the Congress putting up bills they know good and damn well the Senate won't take up and the President won't sign if they do.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No they really aren't. They are realists.

Bull fucking shit... at best they just gave up and accepted life with that dick up their ass.

Comfortable being victims.....

And it is showmanship/protesting to continue putting forth shit you know will not get passed.

I don't think taking a stance on pointing the country in a new direction is showmanship, I'd actually call it leadership.

That's no different than the Congress putting up bills they know good and damn well the Senate won't take up and the President won't sign if they do.

Except it is....because POTUS.

And you're right congress won't work with Sanders, they will act like the bunch of 3rd graders they are. Let's take a chance of firing some of these man/woman children for once and maybe get some real progress instead of always settling for 2nd rate consolation prizes.

But here is where I think the biggest perk to Sanders beyond getting the message out that we don't have to be such suckers and fuck toys for the elite.

I don't think Sanders will sit up there and sign any scum bag piece of legislation put in front of him like every spineless fucking bitch of a Democrat for the past 50 years has. Monsanto could drop a bill in front of Clinton legally letting them poison people without consequence and she would sign it no questions asked just like Obama did.

Sanders would tell them to go fuck themselves with that bullshit. He might even highlight the scum and put it online just to embarrass these congress critters and get as many people as possible pissed about what they are up to. Hell he might even get up there and directly ask the people to start firing some of these shit bags.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You're definition of victim is REALLY broad there.

You can only lead if people follow. If nobody is following you you are not a leader. That much is impossible to argue. That doesn't make you right, wrong or indifferent. Hitler, Stalin, MLK, Gandhi and Anita Sarkessian are leaders.

Besides ultimately in Congress if you aren't passing legislation you are wasting your goddamn time. MAybe he's "too good" to be a legislator and would be better served as a public organizer?

I'm not discussing potentional President Sanders. Because he's the man at the top of the hill. In that case Congress has an obligation ultimately to craft something he WILL pass (or get enough votes to overide a veto.) I'm saying that Senator Sanders not getting shti passed does not qualify as a boon no matter how righteous he may be.

 

[JackLuis]

You're definition of victim is REALLY broad there.- I'm saying that Senator Sanders not getting shit passed does not qualify as a boon no matter how righteous he may be.

That is why I answered SR the other day the way I did. That Bernie needs to get the nomination before he starts the Revolution in Congressional races.

As long a Clinton is the 'presumptive nominee' Bernie will have no Congressional coattails to ride in the "Great Progressive Revolution." Once the Party is solidified behind him to attempt a progressive platform, a lot of the eyewash will start disappearing and Bernie can become a more 'pragmatic progressive' to help get the House cleaned out.

The Democrats will have to work HARD to clean out the 'Party of No' before they can become that "Party of Why Not?"

 

[BotanyBoy]

You're definition of victim is REALLY broad there.

You can only lead if people follow. If nobody is following you you are not a leader. That much is impossible to argue. That doesn't make you right, wrong or indifferent. Hitler, Stalin, MLK, Gandhi and Anita Sarkessian are leaders.

Besides ultimately in Congress if you aren't passing legislation you are wasting your goddamn time. MAybe he's "too good" to be a legislator and would be better served as a public organizer?

I'm not discussing potentional President Sanders. Because he's the man at the top of the hill. In that case Congress has an obligation ultimately to craft something he WILL pass (or get enough votes to overide a veto.) I'm saying that Senator Sanders not getting shti passed does not qualify as a boon no matter how righteous he may be.

Well I guess that's it folks fuck progress just keep putting Sachs in the WH because congress won't work with anything else, change is hopless! Vote Clinton, CNN said she's already won anyhow.......

God for fuckin' bid progressives ever even think about growing a fuckin' sack.

The Democrats will have to work HARD to clean out the 'Party of No' before they can become that "Party of Why Not?"

Nope that's impossible Clinton has already won, CNN said so ~!

 

[Sean Renaud]

Well I guess that's it folks fuck progress just keep putting Sachs in the WH because congress won't work with anything else, change is hopless! Vote Clinton, CNN said she's already won anyhow.......

God for fuckin' bid progressives ever even think about growing a fuckin' sack.





Nope that's impossible Clinton has already won, CNN said so ~!

In all honestly Sachs is not my enemy. I don't hate them or want them destroyed or any of that. However that is not the point here. The point is that Bernie or anybody following in his legacy needs to actually get things accomplished and you cannot do that if you cannot get people to follow you.

A sack so large you can use it a bouncy ball is no good if nobody wants to ride your nuts. It's that simple.

Clinton won twelve years ago and somehow forgot to actually claim her crown and this time she's in no mood. That's however again NOT THE FUCKING POINT. We can't (effectively) fight the Clintons and the Tea Party and the Republicans. Can we squash the Tea Party then worry about everything else?

 

[BotanyBoy]

In all honestly Sachs is not my enemy. I don't hate them or want them destroyed or any of that.

Me either, I just don't want them running the country and buying whatever legislation they want.

A sack so large you can use it a bouncy ball is no good if nobody wants to ride your nuts. It's that simple.

How would you know nobody wants a ride when you're not even willing to entertain the idea of growing one in the first place?

Clinton won twelve years ago and somehow forgot to actually claim her crown and this time she's in no mood. That's however again NOT THE FUCKING POINT. We can't (effectively) fight the Clintons and the Tea Party and the Republicans. Can we squash the Tea Party then worry about everything else?

Clinton isn't going to squash the tea party....she's laughing at you right now for even thinking that silly shit.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't want anybody "buying" legislation. To be honest I'm not really convinced this goes on quite the way people claim that it does. In the vast majority of cases it doesn't make a lot of sense as proposed. Citizen's United certainly needs to go and lobbying needs to either be kept to a minimum or completely legalized. Not sure I care witch.

Ignoring that I don't think the majority of this country is as far left as you seem to believe I've got no problem with growing balls and playing rough. I am saying that compromise can only be taken off the table by someone who has a 60 Senators who are willing to fall in line. Until and unless you get that you have to play ball and that most likely means giving some people you really don't like things you'd rather they didn't have. Such is life.

I don't think she's going to squash the Tea Party. But I'm not certain that a Bernie Admin would do anything but grow that club. As it stands the Left can uniformly point at the Republicans in general Tea PArty in particular and state "these guys are unwilling to move no matter what we do!" and it's clealry hurt them in polls and even in elections. Do we want to let them do the same back?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Ignoring that I don't think the majority of this country is as far left as you seem to believe I've got no problem with growing balls and playing rough. I am saying that compromise can only be taken off the table by someone who has a 60 Senators who are willing to fall in line.

We will find out tomorrow.....

If Sanders does as well as he has in other deep blue states all the "Clinton has already won, give up now and just vote for her!" clowns are gonna be digging for more excuses to just lay down and keep getting fucked by the 1%.

Until and unless you get that you have to play ball and that most likely means giving some people you really don't like things you'd rather they didn't have. Such is life.

No you don't...that's another huge "oh well I guess I'll just toe the partisan line" excuse Clinton supporters use to sleep better at night.

Republicans have shown us quite a few times you don't have to play ball. When somethings wrong you can stand there look them in the eye and say "Fuck you, ain't happening." and absolutely get away with it.

Sanders can go up there and put his god damn foot down.....tell them get 2/3's or do it right.

And it would be about mother fuckin' time we had a POTUS who did.


And if they don't want to play by the rules hopefully, and I think Sanders is a POTUS who will, you shine a huge spotlight on these roaches an publicly embarrass them into doing the right thing.

Clinton will just sign whatever they put in front of her. She doesn't give a FUCK about the working class of this country.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The only thing Republicans have shown is you can break the machine but that's not good. A lot of guys like me aren't going to support Dems who have so little respect for the system that they would intentionally grind it to a halt. Hell I'm pissed at Obama half the time for not figuring it out.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The only thing Republicans have shown is you can break the machine but that's not good. A lot of guys like me aren't going to support Dems who have so little respect for the system that they would intentionally grind it to a halt. Hell I'm pissed at Obama half the time for not figuring it out.

I guess passing shit tons of horrible legislation for the people but good for the elites is better than not passing anything right? God forbid we demand our officials stop fucking us for 2 seconds and do what's right instead of what's right for their pockets.



All on about hope n' change until it's actually here then (D) won't have any of it, the only hope (D) allows is the Sachs brand of hope. Democrats... every bit the cowardly and worthless lemmings Rethuglicans make them out to be.

Like I said America doesn't deserve a good POTUS, if we elect that slimy fucking piece of shit Clinton we deserve the gigantic ass fucking her and her Wall St. buddies are going to give us.

Whatever I'm already off the radar enough it doesn't matter, I hope she hoses all the wage slaves out there so I can fuckin' laugh.

 

[Sean Renaud]

IT really is.

 

[BotanyBoy]

IT really is.

No....it really isn't.

Bad legislation is bad legislation and voting for a politician that keeps the bad legislation fucking the common man because you're too scared to vote for a politician who wills stand up for you because the partisan machine told you to is fucking pathetic.

Oh well fuck it, fuck the election, POTUS and fuck the USA too.


I hope Trump wins just for the entertainment value, it would be the best thing that happened to the country in decades.