Biden announces deal

[Dribble]

If the Dems lose in 2022 it won't be for that reason.

They will lose because they have done nothing but cater to the center. I don't expect a full-fledged progressive agenda. But a give and take showing they care enough for our votes would be nice. Name one...just one...should be easy...one example of a progressive agenda that isn't cut at the first push back from Manchin. Him or us. No more games

 

[butters]

the answer would be to push and push for more voters to make their voices heard and counted in the mid-terms, and gain more traction in the house to be able to get their agendas through despite the republicans attempts at blocking them

 

[pecksniff]

the answer wold be to push and push for more voters to make their voices heard and counted in the mid-terms, and gain more traction in the house to be able to get their agendas through despite the republicans attempts at blocking them

No doubt that's always the party's intention, but it's always iffy -- they need to pass something now, while they have a majority.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

The House Dems will back it, and so will at least 48 Senators. The question is whether Manchin and Sinema will accept the deep compromise this amounts to.

It’s 6 pm in LA. I might be behind on today’s headlines, but I have not seen any reports of Sanders, Manchin, Sinema, and Schumer, Pelosi, the squad and rank and file Dems announcing agreement on a bill. Maybe a more accurate thread subject is “Biden Throws Another Idea at the Wall and is Hoping Something Sticks.”

 

[Cubantripod]

They will lose because they have done nothing but cater to the center. I don't expect a full-fledged progressive agenda. But a give and take showing they care enough for our votes would be nice. Name one...just one...should be easy...one example of a progressive agenda that isn't cut at the first push back from Manchin. Him or us. No more games

You and Peck truly are delusional. America has always been a country that governs from the center. It's why we always keep going back and forth between center left and center right. Elections are decided by independents and Biden is losing them.

 

[pecksniff]

You and Peck truly are delusional. America has always been a country that governs from the center.

But the center moves. And for the rest of your life, it will never move in any direction but left.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

There's no "deal" on anything. The Squad is vowing to scuttle anything that doesn't do for America what Stalin did for Ukrainian agriculture.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

There's no "deal" on anything. The Squad is vowing to scuttle anything that doesn't do for America what Stalin did for Ukrainian agriculture.

Thanks for clarifying. I haven’t been following the news today. The subject line of this thread had me wondering if I missed something. Sounds like they are still thrashing.

 

[CornusKousa]

If the Dems lose in 2022 it won't be for that reason.

That's exactly why they're going to get skull fucked in 22.

But the center moves. And for the rest of your life, it will never move in any direction but left.

Only in the minds of the truly DELUSIONAL leftist.

There's no "deal" on anything. The Squad is vowing to scuttle anything that doesn't do for America what Stalin did for Ukrainian agriculture.

Careful.... starving 60 million Americans to death for the sake of racial equity will get Peck, Butters and Dribbs frothing at the mouth with desire.

 

[pecksniff]

Only in the minds of the truly DELUSIONAL leftist.

I'm basing that on generational demographics. Millennials trend left -- and that won't change as they age.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

I'm basing that on generational demographics. Millennials trend left -- and that won't change as they age.

Hahahahahaha. You seem to forget that today's mossbacks are the people who lived the Summer of Love, Woodstock, flower power, etc. The minute they start seeing 1/3 of their paychecks devoured by a functionally retarded Central State, they'll be voting GOP.

 

[pecksniff]

Hahahahahaha. You seem to forget that today's mossbacks are the people who lived the Summer of Love, Woodstock, flower power, etc. The minute they start seeing 1/3 of their paychecks devoured by a functionally retarded Central State, they'll be voting GOP.

Those who engaged in political activism or the hippie counterculture were only a minority of the Baby Boom generation. Most Boomers spent the '60s just working or studying. Millennials are a much leftier generation -- and always will be.

 

[BidudeinWi]

Story.



Manchin, Sinema, don't fuck this up!

The best thing that could happen is both of them shut it down!

 

[CornusKousa]

I'm basing that on generational demographics. Millennials trend left -- and that won't change as they age.

Millennials trend left, but the center is still the center, the RW isn't going anywhere and the zoomers moved right of the millennials.

You don't know that, I have and I'm a millennial.

 

[BidudeinWi]

Story.



Manchin, Sinema, don't fuck this up!

That Dementia ridden POS can’t “announce” a fucking thing! If not for the teleprompter, he’s fucked! Oblunder is running his third term via Dementia Joe! (The MOST hated POTUS in U.S. history!)

 

[pecksniff]

Millennials trend left, but the center is still the center, the RW isn't going anywhere and the zoomers moved right of the millennials.

You don't know that, I have and I'm a millennial.

The RW is doomed by the generational decline of its religious-right, social-conservative, racist-nativist base. Neoconservative warhawkery is a dead letter already. Take away that cultural shit and military shit, and economic conservatism is all they have left. It won't be enough.

 

[KeithD]

The RW is doomed by the generational decline of its religious-right, social-conservative base. Neoconservative warhawkery is a dead letter already. Take away that cultural shit and military shit, and economic conservatism is all they have left. It won't be enough.

They still have the state legislatures overrepresented by the rural areas, an Electoral College in the same condition, and gerrymandering.

In my own liberal county (host to a major university, thus including people who actually think), they also have an entrenched Trumper postmaster general, who has managed to sideline a shitload of mailed-in ballots in the gubernatorial election next week. I had already decided to vote in person.

 

[pecksniff]

They still have the state legislatures overrepresented by the rural areas, an Electoral College in the same condition, and gerrymandering.

And the Dems know that and will be constantly pushing against it -- and the generational effects will come to bear even in the reddest counties eventually. At some point it will reach critical mass and break abruptly -- there will be enough Dems elected to undo the gerrymandering, etc., and in the cycle after that there will be a blue wave.

The RW knows that and fears the day. Everything they're doing now, including burrowing their own into the courts and civil service, and maintaining their RW media outlets and think-tanks and academic institutions, is in the nature of a desperate rear-guard holding action, holding onto the territory they have with no hope of gaining any secure hold on more. The most they can do is stand athwart history and shout "Slow down!" "Stop!" is no longer an option.

 

[Dribble]

I don't consider focusing on health care issues "progressive". I don't consider tax reform "progressive". I don't consider environmental issues "progressive". I don't consider infrasyucture designed for the future "progressive". I don't consider fighting a virus "progressive". But the Republicans do. And so does Manchin.

Unless Biden grows a backbone...I will not vote for him....and I will not vote to keep the Democrats in power. The worst that can happen is the Republicans regain control and that helps push the country to the inevitable breakup. Which in spite of what Peck believes...will happen. If the Democrats don't want to do what is right...states will start looking at leaving

 

[Champakian]

...

Manchin, Sinema, don't fuck this up!

Why isn't "The Squad" on your list of people who are fucking him over?

This is what happens when you are a weak leader
and the blood (metaphorical) is in the water.

 

[Champakian]

*chuckle*



So Progressive is now a fleeting glimpse of a unicorn...

 

[JohnnySavage]

They will lose because they have done nothing but cater to the center. I don't expect a full-fledged progressive agenda. But a give and take showing they care enough for our votes would be nice. Name one...just one...should be easy...one example of a progressive agenda that isn't cut at the first push back from Manchin. Him or us. No more games

If it puts me in better stead with you - I didn't vote for him. Either as Senator nor Governor.

He's a crook, but that's a basic qualification to enter WV politics.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Friday morning. 5:33 am PT. Is there a deal yet?

 

[Dribble]

If it puts me in better stead with you - I didn't vote for him. Either as Senator nor Governor.

He's a crook, but that's a basic qualification to enter WV politics.

I get this. I now live in Kentucky...home of the head Fascist traitor in the Senate.

I don't expect much from my Party. But I do expect an understanding that if you sacrifice your goals for one vote while pissing off 10 votes...and that is how you choose to lead repeatedly...you will lose the support of those people that voted for those 10 people.

 

[jomar]

When your kids and grandkids go bankrupt paying for this shit we’ll see who cries like a baby. You anti American anti capitalist are trying so hard to sell this bucket of crap, more freebies for the sick, lame and lazy. Doesn’t look like Dems are getting anywhere fast.

Lolol. And you know why!

They will lose because they have done nothing but cater to the center. I don't expect a full-fledged progressive agenda. But a give and take showing they care enough for our votes would be nice. Name one...just one...should be easy...one example of a progressive agenda that isn't cut at the first push back from Manchin. Him or us. No more games

Yay for the squad’s and Bernie’s ideals. But the dems have to accept reality and work with what they have. They do not have the broad majority to get progressive stuff done.