Blaming Bernie!

[jaF0]

Sigh. It was "cheating" only because the DNC seems to have knuckled under to that charge. The function of the DNC is to election Democrats up and down the ticket. Sanders is neither a Democrat nor did he do a damn thing for electing Democrats up and down the ticket--while Hillary Clinton had been doing so for decades. They let Sanders campaign for their nomination. They owed him absolutely nothing in terms of their functions--not even that. They had every right to choose supporting Clinton over Sanders from the get go.

Bullshit.

Why have Primaries at all then?

 

[sr71plt]

Bullshit.

Why have Primaries at all then?

To give the possibilities a shot and to be more inclusive than the other option they had every right to take--and had back in history--picking a candidate behind closed doors among those taking the responsibility to running a national campaign. That (a primary) was done. In case you didn't notice, Hillary Clinton won. The primary voters decided. The DNC didn't.

You just want to hate.

 

[sr71plt]

There is no moving on from Bernie. His policies are what the party needs to embrace and move towards.

I agree that those are the policies I'd like to see in place. They aren't what the party needs, though. They are pie in the sky with the actual electorate. You've been smoking grass if you think otherwise.

The Hail Mary Bernie approach got . . . nothing. And in a national election would have gotten . . . nothing. The Clinton approach would have preserved where Obama had gotten and probably would have moved a bit more to the progressive. What those insisting on the Bernie Hail Mary approach are going to get out of the current electorate is . . . nothing. That sort of thinking--and acting on it--has gotten us . . . Trump.

You've gotten your cause . . . nothing. Actually, less than nothing, as Obama's advances are being unraveled. Because of the naivete of you and other Hail Marys.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

There is no moving on from Bernie. His policies are what the party needs to embrace and move towards.

Dems need to dump Pelosi and Schumer. Those two they need to move on from for sure.

I don't want to move on to his policies, just from him. I don't think he will be a viable candidate.

 

[DrDelirium]

Bullshit.

Why have Primaries at all then?

So that suckers think they have a voice.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Sigh. It was "cheating" only because the DNC seems to have knuckled under to that charge. The function of the DNC is to election Democrats up and down the ticket. Sanders is neither a Democrat nor did he do a damn thing for electing Democrats up and down the ticket--while Hillary Clinton had been doing so for decades. They let Sanders campaign for their nomination. They owed him absolutely nothing in terms of their functions--not even that. They had every right to choose supporting Clinton over Sanders from the get go.

Bernie was on the Democrats ballot in meeping with all of their requjrements, principally the required number of signatjres of regjstered Democrats. You are entitled to your opinion but it bears no resemblance to the party rules kr reality.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

I agree that those are the policies I'd like to see in place. They aren't what the party needs, though. They are pie in the sky with the actual electorate. You've been smoking grass if you think otherwise.

The Hail Mary Bernie approach got . . . nothing. And in a national election would have gotten . . . nothing. The Clinton approach would have preserved where Obama had gotten and probably would have moved a bit more to the progressive. What those insisting on the Bernie Hail Mary approach are going to get out of the current electorate is . . . nothing. That sort of thinking--and acting on it--has gotten us . . . Trump.

You've gotten your cause . . . nothing. Actually, less than nothing, as Obama's advances are being unraveled. Because of the naivete of you and other Hail Marys.

That is the same bullshit that got us Trump.

 

[sr71plt]

That is the same bullshit that got us Trump.

No, you and others like you who can't be pragmatic got us Trump. You're doing everything you can to deflect that reality.

 

[sr71plt]

Bernie was on the Democrats ballot in meeping with all of their requjrements, principally the required number of signatjres of regjstered Democrats. You are entitled to your opinion but it bears no resemblance to the party rules kr reality.

And he lost the vote. Just because the Democratic Party workers permitted him to run doesn't mean they had to support him individually. They supported the Democrat who was running and who had paid her dues to the work of the party. I've posted nothing about party rules, so you're firing blanks yet again.

You and other Bernie fanatics are just being hardheaded. He was given his chance. He is too radical for where the electorate is. He ran a good race, with the inevitable result. And by being fanatical about this, the politically naïve Bernie Babies helped hand the election to Trump. They helped reverse the progressive movement.

 

[Trumpire]

And he lost the vote. Just because the Democratic Party workers permitted him to run doesn't mean they had to support him individually. They supported the Democrat who was running and who had paid her dues to the work of the party. I've posted nothing about party rules, so you're firing blanks yet again.

You and other Bernie fanatics are just being hardheaded. He was given his chance. He is too radical for where the electorate is. He ran a good race, with the inevitable result. And by being fanatical about this, the politically naïve Bernie Babies helped hand the election to Trump. They helped reverse the progressive movement.

Maybe the worst day last Fall was the day I signed out of Hotmail & read on the MSN page about Bernie dropping-out of it.

Don't get me wrong; Over a decade later, I still believe Nader running gave us the Bush-Gore back-&-forth we had in 2000 (which Dubya only "won", IMO, b/c it was concentrated in Florida, where his bro was & where there are/were a ton of older folks who connected first & last name with his father)... I didn't want to see Bernie running for any 3rd party... Nor did I want to see Hil running at all.

 

[sr71plt]

Don't get me wrong; Over a decade later, I still believe Nader running gave us the Bush-Gore back-&-forth we had in 2000 (which Dubya only "won", IMO, b/c it was concentrated in Florida, where his bro was & where there are/were a ton of older folks who connected first & last name with his father)... I didn't want to see Bernie running for any 3rd party... Nor did I want to see Hil running at all.

Since you didn't mention Trump, I presume you're just fine with him running.

I think time has run out on any of them running for president again.

Point of order, by the way. Bernie didn't drop out. He ran in the primary to the last gasp--and lost. I know how the Bernie people like to rewrite history.

 

[Trumpire]

Since you didn't mention Trump, I presume you're just fine with him running.

I think time has run out on any of them running for president again.

1] Not in the least... Unless his destination is Russia, but I don't even think they deserve him as their President. (Unless it starts another Pussy Riot.)

2] I wouldn't say time has run out on any runs, as I wouldn't have bet some of the past Candidates would consider running when they did.

 

[sr71plt]

Sanders will be 80 and Clinton and Trump in their mid 70s when the next time comes around. Even if they are still around then, none of them is likely to get enough support to run--at least for that office.

In any event, 2020 can take care of itself. The 2018 congressional elections are more important. And a whole new set of presidential possibilities will come out of that.

 

[Hypoxia]

Bernie didn't "do damage" SHE was a damaged candidate.

A quarter-century of lying propaganda and a billion taxpayer bucks wasted vainly probing Billary certainly inflicted damage, for sure. Gups long ago realized she was very dangerous to their fascist cause. Hey BND, let's see how long YOU would last under such a deluge.

 

[Trumpire]

In any event, 2020 can take care of itself. The 2018 congressional elections are more important. And a whole new set of presidential possibilities will come out of that.

Like we needed it, further proof you're less intelligent than some others here.

People always think midterm Congressional elections will fix things. The reality is most vote to change Congress to be led by the party not in the House, but the fact is you need certain percentages of Congress to hold/express a certain opinion to have anything happen, whereas the President can do things with only their signature.

 

[ishtat]

Some realpolitik

Votes won by progressive leftist candidates in Presidential elections:-

1900 0.63%
1904 2.98%
1908 2.83%
1912 5.99%
1920 3.41% All Eugene Debs. It then took another 50 years for a progressive candidate to run!

1972 George McGovern who was at least a member of the Democrat Party, lost 96% of the nations counties and lost in the electoral college by 520 votes to 17.

To summarize: this is Pilot's argument in numbers. Leftists do not win with the American Electorate: Ever. And neither could Bernie Sanders. Ever. His opponent would label him a socialist and that would be it. Game over.

 

[sr71plt]

Not win, no, not without much more preparation than anyone, including Bernie and his followers, are giving it. They can have an effect, though. Sanders's run did have a beneficial (for progressives) effect on the party's platform and did push Clinton left on a few issues. Although she's not exactly on the right in most issues. It also got some progressive issues discussed, which is not necessarily beneficial to getting past the "just self-satisfying talk" stage. What a president does in office isn't the same as what they say during the campaign they are going to do.

Clinton would have preserved and incrementally added to progressive interest as president. If the issues hadn't been brought out and forced her to talk about them in the campaign, she might not have lost as many mainstream voters as she did. Because mainstream voters in the United States aren't leftists. Most leftists don't bother to vote at all. (The inescapable fact is, though, that she still got 3 million votes more than the next contender got, so if voting was one of individual equality, she wouldn't have lost.)

Where leftists can have their greatest impact is in legislative bodies, and that's where the initial efforts should be going--to elect progressives up and down the ticket, not just to the presidency. That's Bernie's sin in my eyes. He not only hasn't worked to do that--his was a cult of the one person campaign--he hasn't even effectively BEEN that in the Senate for a decade.

 

[JackLuis]

Watch Bernie Sanders Tell Hillary Clinton to 'Move Forward' on 'Colbert'

the Vermont Senator straddled the line between throwing shade and letting bygones be bygones. "Secretary Clinton ran against the most unpopular candidate in the history of this country, and she lost," he said. "And she was upset, and I understand that. But our job is not to go backwards – it's to go forwards."

 

[BoyNextDoor]

A quarter-century of lying propaganda and a billion taxpayer bucks wasted vainly probing Billary certainly inflicted damage, for sure. Gups long ago realized she was very dangerous to their fascist cause. Hey BND, let's see how long YOU would last under such a deluge.

Lesson learned: Do not put a candidate on the top of the ticket that is under FBI investigation. Who is an insider in an outsider electron. And who is a shitty candidate because they stop campaigning 4 weeks before the election is over.

Got it.

 

[Hypoxia]

Oh, BND, sit down, relax yourself, take a breath, exhale, be calm. I have terrible news for you. Are you ready? Okay, here it is: The game is over. Your side won. On a technicality, but it's a win. The losers won't be back. You can look to the future now.

If you dare.

 

[sr71plt]

It's kind of nice, though, that Hillary still scares the shit out of these people.

 

[Hypoxia]

They know they lack legitimacy. We also saw that after SCOTUS installed Dubya. Pre-9/11 his administration acted like shoplifters grabbing as much as they could before they were caught. Tromp's use of executive orders and rule-shitcanning fits the same pattern. Take it fast, while we can.

They know they aren't legit, and that they're hated. They fear SOMETHING will pop their bubble, flush them out, transfer power to its rightful owner. They'll only be secure when she's dead. Ah, then they'll have her corpse to beat and stone in public. Maybe they should make Hillary piñatas.

 

[sr71plt]

Don't forget Obama. A black and a woman. Double shit.

 

[JackLuis]

The only pinata's I've seen are DJTs. They seem to sell well along the border.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Oh, BND, sit down, relax yourself, take a breath, exhale, be calm. I have terrible news for you. Are you ready? Okay, here it is: The game is over. Your side won. On a technicality, but it's a win. The losers won't be back. You can look to the future now.

If you dare.

"My side" - I voted for Hillary - dipshit.