BUSH, CHENEY, and PAULSON

[SikFuk]

So... in trying to steer this thread in a more author-oriented direction, I googled Steinbeck's "Grapes of Wrath". Some people credit it with inspiring the New Deal. What can we do, as authors (or wannabe authors ) to further the cause of economic justice without starting political threads in inappropriate places?

I made a few suggestions in an earlier post. I think erotica is ripe for social commentary disguised by real life scenarios. Shouldn't we be talking about that, instead of taking pot shots at each other? Doesn't anybody here want to write the next "Grapes of Wrath", especially the OP, whose writing prowess is second to none here at LIT? (Okay, that last claim is debatable, but for the sake of furthering the discussion, let's pretend it's true.)

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

So... in trying to steer this thread in a more author-oriented direction, I googled Steinbeck's "Grapes of Wrath". Some people credit it with inspiring the New Deal. What can we do, as authors (or wannabe authors ) to further the cause of economic justice without starting political threads in inappropriate places?

I made a few suggestions in an earlier post. I think erotica is ripe for social commentary disguised by real life scenarios. Shouldn't we be talking about that, instead of taking pot shots at each other? Doesn't anybody here want to write the next "Grapes of Wrath", especially the OP, whose writing prowess is second to none here at LIT? (Okay, that last claim is debatable, but for the sake of furthering the discussion, let's pretend it's true.)

If youre serious about economic justice make all the niggers stay in school and graduate. But I figger youre talkin out your ass.

 

[SikFuk]

If youre serious about economic justice make all the niggers stay in school and graduate. But I figger youre talkin out your ass.

No, I'm doing fine. I'm talking about wealth inequality and the power of the ultra rich to corrupt our fragile democracy.

People staying in school is great, but we have millions of college grads unemployed or working at McDonalds. The scary part is what's going to happen when we lose even more jobs to robotics, and when schools get privatized and centralized on the internet. Some predict a future with a sizable segment of the population with no job prospects whatsoever. How do we, as a society, deal with such a situation? That could be another topic for fiction, although I suppose some would say the Hunger Games already went there.

A more realistic scenario might be a return to an agrarian economy with urban gardens and a functioning barter system, and, hopefully, a flourishing arts and music scene, since these future citizens will have so much free time. (In that kind of society, I would think there would be a lot of screwing going on. ) I suspect we'll also see an increase in the stratification of society, with the rich ensconced in their gated community bubbles while everyone else struggles for scraps. This is the future we'll get from a Scott Walker or a Carly Fiorina. I'm glad I'm old. I won't have to deal with it. You, on the other hand, already have your garden, so you're all set.

 

[SusanJillParker]

If youre serious about economic justice make all the niggers stay in school and graduate. But I figger youre talkin out your ass.

Any United States citizen who wants a college education, whether black or white, should receive it free.

 

[SusanJillParker]

No, I'm doing fine. I'm talking about wealth inequality and the power of the ultra rich to corrupt our fragile democracy.

People staying in school is great, but we have millions of college grads unemployed or working at McDonalds. The scary part is what's going to happen when we lose even more jobs to robotics, and when schools get privatized and centralized on the internet. Some predict a future with a sizable segment of the population with no job prospects whatsoever. How do we, as a society, deal with such a situation? That could be another topic for fiction, although I suppose some would say the Hunger Games already went there.

A more realistic scenario might be a return to an agrarian economy with urban gardens and a functioning barter system, and, hopefully, a flourishing arts and music scene, since these future citizens will have so much free time. (In that kind of society, I would think there would be a lot of screwing going on. ) I suspect we'll also see an increase in the stratification of society, with the rich ensconced in their gated community bubbles while everyone else struggles for scraps. This is the future we'll get from a Scott Walker or a Carly Fiorina. I'm glad I'm old. I won't have to deal with it. You, on the other hand, already have your garden, so you're all set.

Much of my fiction is filled with social commentary and personal opinions. How can it not be as we can only write what we know?

This site can be such a great writers' resource but it's filled with people who'd rather use it as a junior high school social gathering place of foolishness.

Then, there are those who don't have a life and who post here 24/7. They think they own the place and have the right to dictate what anyone posts by bashing them, demoralizing them, and intimidating them.

By the way, Scott Walker is nothing more than a dancing puppet on a string. We don't need more politicians like him, people who don't have an original thought in their head unless it's approved and fed to him by a speech writer and a spin doctor. We already had too much of that with President Ronnie and President GW.

I like feeling proud of my president and I felt proud of Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, and Obama. Look at all that Obama accomplished with credit cards and healthcare. The only reason why the Republicans hate him is because they're unable to steal as much as they did when Bush was in office.

We need to have one political party, the American party, for one and for all for 300 million Americans, instead of having a political agenda for just 3 million superrich people.

It's time we had another revolution. It's time we had another Boston Tea party. It's time we had term limits on "public servants". It's time the people took back this country. It's time that whoever wants a good paying job should have a good paying job. It's time we stopped subsidizing the rest of the world at the expense of our own citizens.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Any United States citizen who wants a college education, whether black or white, should receive it free.

They get high school free and piss it away, half never graduate.

My son in law was raised in a Commie country. There if you didn't wanna go to school they tossed your young ass in the brier patch, then the army.

 

[lovecraft68]

I like feeling proud of my president and I felt proud of Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, and Obama. Look at all that Obama accomplished with credit cards and healthcare

This tells me a lot about you

1-you ran up a ton of credit card debt and skipped out on money you legitimately owed

2 the only people applauding the healthcare act are the jobless or poverty level(because the wealthy doesn't need it and the middle class is paying for all of it so only those two demographics benefited)

Thanks for clearing things up for us.

 

[SusanJillParker]

This tells me a lot about you

1-you ran up a ton of credit card debt and skipped out on money you legitimately owed

2 the only people applauding the healthcare act are the jobless or poverty level(because the wealthy doesn't need it and the middle class is paying for all of it so only those two demographics benefited)

Thanks for clearing things up for us.

The only thing you know about me is that I pee when sitting down.

How dare you?

Maybe you just haven't had your wakeup call yet. Don't worry. You will and you'll be singing a different tune then.

 

[SikFuk]

....the only people applauding the healthcare act are the jobless or poverty level(because the wealthy doesn't need it and the middle class is paying for all of it so only those two demographics benefited) ....

The only people? See below for the people you left out.

Story idea: Single guy has a good job, but wants to start his own consulting firm. Unfortunately, he has a heart condition and can't get insurance on the open market, so he has to stick with his demeaning cube farm job. Along comes Obamacare and now he can get his own insurance. He's elated. "This is what Freedom is all about!" he tells his friends. He quits his job, gets his insurance on the dreaded exchange, starts up his new business, but in the hiring process, he's deluged with qualified applicants. Many of them are really hot women willing to do anything to land a job. Sexual adventures ensue.

Story idea: A single mother working as a maid is diagnosed with cancer. It's operable, but because she lives in Texas there's no Medicaid for low income workers, and she can't get cancer treatments at the "free" ER visits we keep hearing about. (Free ER only covers life threatening conditions, not long term illnesses.) She really doesn't want to die and leave her 2 year-old girl motherless, so she tries prostitution. She turns a couple of tricks, gets beat up, ripped off. She's discouraged, but if she doesn't raise $2,000 for her first cancer treatment, she'll die, so she keeps at it. (The cancer center won't give out free treatments. It's either cash in advance, or an approved health insurance claim.) Then Obamacare passes and she gets healthcare through the subsidy. It's only a hundred bucks a month, and it saves her life. A male nurse at the cancer center falls for her, hires her to clean his home now and then. Sexual adventures ensue.

Story idea (for the O-care losers): Young couple have to sell their third car - a Dodge Ram 4X4 they hardly ever drive - because their health insurance premiums went up and they can no longer afford the payments. They blame O-care, even though premiums have been rising like crazy for the last 20 years, and the rise has tapered off since O-care kicked in. The prospective buyers turn out to be a young, horny, open-minded couple. Sexual attraction practically melts the seats in the truck. The buyers promise to ride the sellers around in the truck (a king cab) whenever they feel like it. Sexual adventures ensue.

See that LC? Everybody wins with Obamacare, even the losers.

 

[JKendallDane]

This tells me a lot about you

1-you ran up a ton of credit card debt and skipped out on money you legitimately owed

2 the only people applauding the healthcare act are the jobless or poverty level(because the wealthy doesn't need it and the middle class is paying for all of it so only those two demographics benefited)

Thanks for clearing things up for us.

Every person with a pre-existing condition that was getting S.C.R.E.W.E.D. by the insurance companies (if they could even GET insurance) would tell you you are full of shit. Add me to that list...from a personal standpoint and also one of my youngest nephew who nearly completely lost his sight due to severe undiagnosed diabetes. (both retinas detached at the same time and multiple surgeries saved one eye 75% and enough in the other to keep him from being legally blind) Access to the ACA saved him from becoming another drain on the SS disability funds and able to continue running his own business. There are thousands of similar stories out there. But if it makes you feel better, keep believing that Faux Noise/Koch Brothers/Top 2% spin. They're certainly shelling out billions to market it to you.

You are making the mistake, LC, of buying into exactly what the GOP is selling: make the middle class afraid and get them to blame everyone else but the wealthy or themselves for their life problems. Damn poor and lazy welfare cases...THEY are why my life isn't all peaches and cream!

i truly hope you never have to find out the hard way, just how things do work and how those safety nets are true life savers.

 

[Tio_Narratore]

Just over forty years ago Ed Broadbent, leader of our New Democratic Party at the time, identified the same problem in Canada - large government handouts to businesses, and blame for the poor who drained the tax money of the middle class - and gave us the felicitous phrase "Corporate Welfare Bums." Unfortunately, those bums have only proliferated - after all, if you give them handouts, how will they ever learn to do an honest days work? And they get more and more of our tax dollars in both our countries. Make them pay what's due, and we can afford free education for all, and maybe even get our countries back into actually producing goods and meaningful services again.

 

[sr71plt]

Tilt. Another Fox News watcher. Welfare in the United States started shifting from handout to work for it starting in the Clinton administration and moving into the Bush administration, with no change in the Obama administration. And during that time, the mental health institutions emptied out onto the street for the churches to take care of along with taking care of the homeless.

Did I not say that posting politics here was just going to get wheels' spinning divisive?

 

[Tio_Narratore]

Tilt. Another Fox News watcher. Welfare in the United States started shifting from handout to work for it starting in the Clinton administration and moving into the Bush administration, with no change in the Obama administration. And during that time, the mental health institutions emptied out onto the street for the churches to take care of along with taking care of the homeless.

Did I not say that posting politics here was just going to get wheels' spinning divisive?

If you're talking about me, Pilot, please go back and read my post with some degree of attention. Fox supports CORPORATE "welfare," Ed Broadbent was showing that corporations were the real "welfare bums." I didn't think my little bit of irony would be that confusing.

 

[JackLuis]

The only people? See below for the people you left out.

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See that LC? Everybody wins with Obamacare, even the losers.

That was a good AH reply SikFuk.

Non Illigitamus coarborundum!

 

[LeatherPissPunk]

I don't know how much you all know about Germany's health insurance laws.
Here about 99.x% have an affordable health insurance (together with long-term care insurance); and it wasn't a leftie government that started it; the statutory pension insurance (later a unemployment insurance was added) and the statutory health insurance were invented in the 19th century by Bismarck (a right-wing conservative, but a pragmatic thinker), the long-term care insurance was created under Bundeskanzler Kohl in the 1990s (the conservative party's leader then). The statutory unemployment insurance was added in the 1920s.
And our economy isn't going down, actually the exact opposite.
The employment rates of the US have, in the last 30 years, been the highest under Democrat presidents. Some of these presidents even generated national surplusses; whereas GOP presidents have had the tendency to increase the national debt and to raise the unemployment rates of the US.

 

[49greg]

Pat Paulsen?

When I first saw the OP I though the title referred to Pat Paulsen, the comedian who ran for president in the 60s, 70s and 80s.

For the record I don't think he could have done worse than W.

 

[BiTodd]

Legalize marijuana ....

 

[scotluvsoral]

I love Bernie Sanders too. I've enjoyed his comments for years.

Unfortunately, he'll never win, he's too liberal. The only state where he'd win anything is Vermont and Massachusetts. Still, I'm surprised he was elected governor of Vermont because he's Jewish.

Most folks will elect a black president, which they have, and a woman president, which they're considering, before they'd ever elect a Jewish president.

I'd love to see Bernie Sanders and Robert Reich, Secretary of Labor under Bill Clinton on the same ticket. Two honest and outspoken men, it doesn't get any better than that unless we elect Trump and Palin (lol).

Thank you for your comment.

Actually, Bernie was never elected Governor of Vermont. He was Mayor of Burlington for years, then US Representative and finally US Senator. Whether people like him or not, he tries to deliver what he espouses!

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Only writers can start revolutions.

 

[TxRad]

Only writers can start revolutions.

Any idiot with a bunch of friends and guns can start a revolution.

 

[SusanJillParker]

Any idiot with a bunch of friends and guns can start a revolution.

Huh? What?

If that's the case, Texas must be a nuthouse of rebels shooting in the sky and declaring themselves a country instead of a state.

God bless Texas and Texans. I'm just glad I'm here and they're all there.

Watch out. If Jeb Bush becomes president, he's already voice his willingness to ban handguns and tax bullets.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

"Idiot with a bunch of friends and guns...?"

No he can't. Not anymore. The SWAT thugs will spray him with machine pistol rounds and nerve gas and taser charges and noise canon until he's dead and then they'll (legally of course, because the White House 'legal opinion' says so) waterboard the carcass and have dogs piss on it as well.

And then they'll go home and open some beers and laugh and draw their next salaries and pension contributions paid for by the taxpayer.

Fifty years ago, when US neurosurgeons were literate, people like Truman Capote and Gore Vidal were capable of, and did, start revolutions.

Now, today, when the spelling and the grammar doesn't matter that much, and a lot of written stuff is really boring and old hat, and frankly, most people don't even go to movies because they are such crap... ...well today, the world belongs to the on-line erotica writer.

The media doesn't interview YOU, because they are pissing themselves BECAUSE of you.

Right now, I don't need a gun at all.

There are a hundred and fifty thousand people that 'not wittingly' run into my politics and my ideas each time they think they are reading a fuck story from me. And I am a very fucking sneaky bastard.

...I like Sir Elton John. He's a good man and a great musician. A touch self-involved, but then, that's only what I heard about him from VV. I have never met Sir Elton and only hear what I hear about him, off the systematic media. Or from people who have spoken with him.

Sir Elton, will never be able to get a private conference with Obama or Ben Carson or Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton; for one thing, none of the Washington suites are big enough to fit the egos all in at the same time.

This I swear, Trump's ego is not as big as those others'.

If I write a story about a six foot five all black-attired thug with a mask and a mace gun, and I tell you about his dick and what happened on the twenty-second floor of the Palmer House that weekend in front of the hookers that Al Waleed owns, well, put it this way, things can tend to get a bit cruel from here on - and only for the world's most powerful dickheads.

I'm not meaning to kick 'you' (IE someone, figuratively speaking) in the fucking ass, well, not wittingly, anyway.

But if I did start to mean it...

 

[TxRad]

Huh? What?

If that's the case, Texas must be a nuthouse of rebels shooting in the sky and declaring themselves a country instead of a state.

God bless Texas and Texans. I'm just glad I'm here and they're all there.

Watch out. If Jeb Bush becomes president, he's already voice his willingness to ban handguns and tax bullets.

Freddie, you have no idea of what Texas is really like. Yes, it is a whole bunch different than Boston and you would be totally lost with all the space you have to stretch out in. And yes, you would be surprised by how friendly the people are and how few are out to mug or rob you.

So you keep Boston and I'll keep Texas. Just remember, we do have guns and we do know how to use them. Fuck Jeb Bush and the little pink pony he rode in on.

OH wait, scratch the pink pony. No bestiality meant. Figure of speech.

 

[SusanJillParker]

Freddie, you have no idea of what Texas is really like. Yes, it is a whole bunch different than Boston and you would be totally lost with all the space you have to stretch out in. And yes, you would be surprised by how friendly the people are and how few are out to mug or rob you.

So you keep Boston and I'll keep Texas. Just remember, we do have guns and we do know how to use them. Fuck Jeb Bush and the little pink pony he rode in on.

OH wait, scratch the pink pony. No bestiality meant. Figure of speech.

As part of Laurel's 11th commandment, thou shall not attack fellow writers, I love Texas. I love Texans. I love you too, TxRad, even though you seem to have a difficult time telling a male from a female and continue insulting me and goading me by calling me Freddie instead of Susan.

Allow me to enlighten you. I used one of my brother's names when I wrote as BostonFictionWriter back in 2007 & 2008 because I was scared to death to post as a woman on a porn board. After a while, after all the shit I've gone through, I really don't care who knows that I'm a woman.

Now, if you continue to insult me by calling me Freddie, under Laurel's new rules, you leave me no choice but to report your bad behavior to a fellow writer, a writer who dwarfs your story output tenfold, I might add.

Perhaps you should stay away from farm animals for a period of time until you can acclimate yourself to human anatomy and are able to tell a male from a female. Good luck with that.

Have a wonderful afternoon.

 

[TxRad]

As part of Laurel's 11th commandment, thou shall not attack fellow writers, I love Texas. I love Texans. I love you too, TxRad, even though you seem to have a difficult time telling a male from a female and continue insulting me and goading me by calling me Freddie instead of Susan.

Allow me to enlighten you. I used one of my brother's names when I wrote as BostonFictionWriter back in 2007 & 2008 because I was scared to death to post as a woman on a porn board. After a while, after all the shit I've gone through, I really don't care who knows that I'm a woman.

Now, if you continue to insult me by calling me Freddie, under Laurel's new rules, you leave me no choice but to report your bad behavior to a fellow writer, a writer who dwarfs your story output tenfold, I might add.

Perhaps you should stay away from farm animals for a period of time until you can acclimate yourself to human anatomy and are able to tell a male from a female. Good luck with that.

Have a wonderful afternoon.

Sorry freddie but you're no woman in any way, shape, or form. Shall i pull up a few of your rants for everyone to see? No woman writes stuff like you did and still do.

(Image of Donald duck throwing a hissy fit)