CDC: We were wrong about China virus deaths

[butters]

guess where it originated before being retweeted by trump (post removed and flagged as misinformation)? Qanon

as one actual medical expert said " it's like saying the fat person who died in the lethal car crash died because he was fat. it's absolute nonsense."

because someone has co-morbities means they're more likely to die due to covid attacking their bodies, not that they'd be dead anyway. someone with diabetes, heart condition, high bp or any number of comorbities can (and usually do) go on to live a long time after they're diagnosed.

 

[Wrong Element]

A clip, not from me:
"A lot of news articles are claiming that “94% of COVID-19 deaths were due to a comorbidity according to the CDC.” That is NOT what the CDC published. They wrote that most of the deaths were from respiratory or cardiac failure which is CAUSED by COVID-19. The report stated that only 6% of deaths had COVID-19 listed as the only cause, which we all know isn’t true.

Type 1 diabetes itself doesn’t cause immediate death (at least in today’s world, we have all kinds of human insulin available for treatment). What generally kills a diabetic is heart disease, infections, and several other conditions.

This means 94 percent of people who died of the virus in the US had other conditions, which contributed to their death in addition to COVID-19.

This information is what public health officials have stated since the pandemic began – people with underlying health conditions are at higher risk of complications and death due to the coronavirus.

The CDC statistic does not mean that 94 percent of people listed as COVID-19 deaths are listed incorrectly. It means 94 percent of people died of COVID-19 and something else.

Because amateurs are interpreting complex science to further their goals that COVID-19 isn’t dangerous, we get this garbage information. They want to believe that COVID-19 is only dangerous to the elderly and those with comorbidities. Those people do have a higher risk, but the Rona has killed people across the health spectrum.

So if a death certificate says COVID-19 AND respiratory failure, the damn virus caused the respiratory failure."

The "other conditions" can be almost anything. Once you're talking about people who are middle aged, there's pretty much always something wrong somewhere — obesity obviously being the most common such complication in the United States. But the suggestion here seems to be that all of these dead from Covid were 99 percent of the way through death's door, and just needed a little push. That's stupid, but consider the sources.


That America tends to be a little unhealthier generally than most Western countries probably explains why our death rate is on the high side.


The people who are misconstruing what the CDC said are now entering their 7th month of passing along wishful thinking, propaganda, and outright lunacy on the subject of Covid-19. It would be funny if it didn't involve so much human misery.

 

[Conager]

An awful lot of you are looking at this entirely backwards. It is not some mildly interesting coincidence that nearly all deaths occured in people with severe comorbid conditions.

Without the comirbities, they would have survived, ergo no one without any of those conditions or who must be in close contact with someone that is at risk needed to, or should have been, locked down. The healthy would have quickly extinguished this virus. Weeks, not months, which is what happens every flu season. Instead, this was encouraged to linger endlessly on a slow simmer. That endless prolonging of available carriers meant it would reach even the most isolated pockets, eventually. It is now in really isolated, small towns that did everything "right."

It isn'tthat they were dying of Covid and the comorbid, life threatening condition tipped them over the edge, they were already from an actuarial perspective dying of a serious health complication, hanging on due to the advances of modern medicine, despite our unhealthy diets and sedentary living and Covid diminished their blood oxygen level sufficiently that the pneumonia/ heart incident / stroke or whatever would have happened to them this year was not survivable for them.

Excess deaths are complicated. Two to one they a lockdown/ social isolation related over Covid. The age of the population who died of all causes is quite advanced. Take a flu season with a successful vaccine (this year was abysmal, it was 30%) look at the age of nursing home residents. Dependant largely on hiw effective that vaccine is, a certain percentage of say 70 year olds will survive another year. A lower percentage of 75 year olds. Less still, 80 year olds and so on. Covid, no doubt, decreased the survival rate for each elderly group who already had a high mortality rate. It killed the most vulnerable with the most dangerous health conditions, leaving the healthier.

All that ever should have been done was isolation of the people that we knew months ago were at risk. Instead, we wasted (and are still wasting) trillions of dollars isolating the wrong people.

That's the point of what the CDC report.

The risk to healthy people is that you might be in the 4% of deaths (NOT 4% of the population) that has a uniquely bad reaction to a mildly problematic drop in blood oxygen or your body's immune system wildly over-reacts. Likely these patients had previously undiagnosed health conditions. It's sad, but it happens. Jim Fixx was seemingly well within the group of the most healthy, fit people on the planet. He did everything anyone could do for heart health and he died of a heart attack at 52.

 

[Conager]

guess where it originated before being retweeted by trump (post removed and flagged as misinformation)? Qanon

as one actual medical expert said " it's like saying the fat person who died in the lethal car crash died because he was fat. it's absolute nonsense."

because someone has co-morbities means they're more likely to die due to covid attacking their bodies, not that they'd be dead anyway. someone with diabetes, heart condition, high bp or any number of comorbities can (and usually do) go on to live a long time after they're diagnosed.

I'm sure that the august bodies of the IFoA and and the SOA look forward to your fascinating paper on the mortality rates expected in those groups!

 

[Conager]

^I believe it was you who stated that coronavirus cannot be spread by asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people. Hence, you are guilty of spreading disinformation as well.

As it has been repeatedly demonstrated and proven by medical experts (you know, people with actual degrees in medicine, biology, and study of infectious diseases) that the majority of cases are spread exactly by that method.

For what it's worth, We all wish you were right on that. I would rather believe you than the experts, because it would be so much easier to avoid catching or spreading the virus if only symptomatic people could spread it. However, there is a reason you are not a microbiologist- because your belief, wishful though it is, is not correct.

I'm sure the worlds leading epidemiologists including the ones at the CDC are anxiously awaiting your paper on that being THE vector for the MAJORITY of cases since no one doing contact tracing has found asymptomatic carriers to be even "significant."

If you are going to appeal to authority, try citing the actual work of actual experts, not your deeply flawed understanding of what vague, unnamed "experts" all know. All of you hysterics have been utilizing that fallacious argument because "everybody knows" is all you have to support positions that have been disproven by both historical data on similar diseases and contemporary studies of this one.

"Even if there is some asymptomatic transmission, in all the history of respiratory born viruses of any type, asymptomatic transmission has never been the driver of outbreaks." Anthony Fouci 1/28/2020

Yuuuuge, actual study, showing the opposite of what you are asserting

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/health/coronavirus-transmission-dose.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

It is so rare that the original headline here ^ was "Asymptomatic Patients Aren't Spreading New Infections W.H.O. Says.

Here are some "experts" that agreed with your position. . .until it was shown they were wrong: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/paper-non-symptomatic-patient-transmitting-coronavirus-wrong?fbclid=IwAR06Z5YGeFV_6tywn9DbWhYb_T2xgJgrwnCHzKOWtnveajTsRQJiqij2TbM

Actual experts at the National Institute for Health on the very subject

. . .and, you know, the epidemiologists at the CDC that have read all of the above and conducted their own contract tracing studies say you are wrong.

 

[toeskr]

You just knew it would come to this. The BIG LIE. My wife literally just heard a woman in a shop complaining about her mask when “only 9000 people have died.”

All these years, never heard nothing about your wife. All your flirting, all your bs. Did you get caught? Now, you mention her frequently.

Too funny. Does she actually believe you are rich and smart as well? There's a big lie here somewhere... where exactly did you put it? Literally.

 

[SpeareChucker]

I love it when the shoe is on the other foot...

 

[toeskr]

I love it when the shoe is on the other foot...

Think the other foot is resting up nadre's ass.

Wait, is it upper or lowercase nadre?

Lawlz!

 

[oggbashan]

How many of the dead were obese Trump supporters?

 

[SpeareChucker]

How many of the dead were obese Trump supporters?

Has busybody gotten that far into your mind?



Feel well.
Get well.

 

[Comshaw]

The number is actually 9,210

It's not 153,000, the number that scares the shit out of so many people. The 153,000 who had Covid-19, but it didn't kill them.

It seems to me we can get back to life as it is supposed to be lived.
Mask optional.

I love it when the shoe is on the other foot...

Absolutely...ain't it great when someone tries to put a #10 foot in a size five mouth?


Fauci shoots down false claim only 6 percent of coronavirus deaths are legitimate: 'They are real deaths from COVID-19'



Comshaw

 

[Adre]

Twitter removes ridiculous QAnon 6% conspiracy theory, you know, the one advanced by Trump and several sycophantic GBers.

 

[butters]

Absolutely...ain't it great when someone tries to put a #10 foot in a size five mouth?


Fauci shoots down false claim only 6 percent of coronavirus deaths are legitimate: 'They are real deaths from COVID-19'



Comshaw

fauci and all other respected epidemiologists

the report never made the claim being touted; it is well understood by the medical body that organs failing due to the effects of covid (when they were managing to keep people alive prior to getting it) on the body mean covid was the cause of death

as for the fdc maybe pushing through vaccines not properly tested to the standards accepted as 'gold standard' and, therefore, considered 'safe' by the majority of the public? no way would i get one of those. test it properly, first. failure to do so makes people lose their trust in these bodies, and should there be an unfortunate repeat of the polio vaccine horror, who'd be able to trust the fdc after that?

trump and his cronies have done so much damage throughout the usa by causing distrust and fear... can't trust a cop to behave like a cop should, a politician to do the actual work of politics, bodies like the cdc and fda brought into disrepute, by pushing anti-science and a faux-belief in 'god'...and all the while, putin, jong il, the brazilian twat, and china are rubbing their hands together, not to mention the arabian parts of the world.

fuck, this guy has to be moved out soon if america is to be able to rebuild its global reputation.

 

[butters]

Twitter removes ridiculous QAnon 6% conspiracy theory, you know, the one advanced by Trump and several sycophantic GBers.

they jumped on it so hard, so fast... like a wd 40'd banana skin on glass
(the twits here, not twitter)

 

[Rightguide]

Twitter removes ridiculous QAnon 6% conspiracy theory, you know, the one advanced by Trump and several sycophantic GBers.

You mean the CDC notification?

 

[LLCox]

As a thousand die every day from covid19 in the US... yes lets get back to "normal." We will never be back to normal when clowns keep saying it's no big deal.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The "new normal" (no public events, masks everywhere) represents a clear and present danger to President Trump's reelection chances.

As such, it behooves the White Nationalist contingent here (as well as their Semi-White Nationalist incel auxilliary) to denigrate the Covid response as an "overreaction" and promote "getting back to normal" (even though that is a pipe dream).

Murica fuck yeah!

 

[Adre]

You mean the CDC notification?

Yeah, you should actually read it and attempt to comprehend.

 

[Rightguide]

Yeah, you should actually read it and attempt to comprehend.

I did, I believe I posted it. Only 6% of deaths were caused by Covid alone.

 

[FescueFan]

I did, I believe I posted it. Only 6% of deaths were caused by Covid alone.

That doesn't fit the "Panic so bad you don't care that we (D)eez are so flagrantly violating peoples rights." narrative Adre's so supportive of though.

He want's the (D)'s to have a good excuse to do as much damage as possible to the economy....it will make "progress" in the coming months much much easier.

Adre is a GOOD comrade.
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PettyConcreteAtlanticspadefish-size_restricted.gif

 

[RobDownSouth]

Twitter removes ridiculous QAnon 6% conspiracy theory, you know, the one advanced by Trump and several sycophantic GBers.

This is QAnon's greatest hoax to date. They got Trump to repeat their false tweet, and an eager right wing swallowed this malarkey whole.

Interesting essay HERE on how the right wing, after years and years of anti-choice propaganda, eagerly jumps on anti-covid propaganda