Change up pitch

[Voboy]

The main tag I was worried about is assisted suicide. Doing a search, I found one story with that tag, so it's apparently okay. I don't know why I didn't think about checking for prior usage, so thanks.

"Euthanasia" seems to work, too.

 

[KittyOfSteele]

Fascinating. Some of these requested changes not only are functions that are taken for granted on other places where content is published, erotic or not, but the resistance that many users feel towards these suggestions that are for quality of life astonishes me. One would think that changes through submissions is already outdated in itself when other places you can do those modifications in a much easier manner, let alone with the waiting. The people citing guideline violations as possible misuses for this functions I feel they are either looking at themselves in the mirror, or have forgotten that Literotica enforces the guidelines quite hard, let alone the existence of a Report button already existing.

I would really love to fix the typos on plenty of my stories, but knowing that I might be flagged for AI for an edit discourages me to do so. I've already given up on Lit adding these functions that, again, are obvious in any website where you would find content ready to consume, but you have to be realistic and realize Literotica might not be as outdated as SOL, but that's like saying SOL existed during Caesar's life, and Literotica exists after 900 AD. One might be older than the other, but that doesn't make the other current, you know what I'm saying?

I wouldn't mind having it easier to delete stories (removing them from the site), delisting them (making them accessible only through a shared link), or privating them (only the author has access, or chosen users by the author, or people who have a password) though. Even DeviantArt in its early days allowed you to put your work on the Archive, so only you could get access to it.

But anyway, let the fight of AH fighting itself continue.

 

[LargoKitt]

Yes, but what's the benefit to lit?

You're suggesting they move from moderating tags at the time of submission, to allowing unmoderated tags to be added. A person could add any tag. Eg "under 18" or whatever.
We can already add tags, they just need to be moderated.
Changing the site would take a lot of time and money, and while it may benefit someone like me, who once forgot to copy and paste my tags into the submission box, I don't see how lit would benefit from dropping this moderation step.

But, the good news is its not up to me or anyone in this thread. If you think this change will benefit lit then you could always contact them with the feedback, and explain.

Tbh, if it were up to me, I'd uphaul the category and teasing system completely. But as it is, I've got no say in it, just like I had no say when they removed the erotic art category.

Why am I being misinterpreted? I am suggesting that after a story has been published a couple of regulated tags could be added to the tag lists without going through an elaborate process of republishing the story. By the same token, the category might be changed (or even added.) All this could be a normal added process at Lit. It could expand readership of existing stories. That's it.

 

[Voboy]

Why am I being misinterpreted? I am suggesting that after a story has been published a couple of regulated tags could be added to the tag lists without going through an elaborate process of republishing the story.

...but I'm still puzzled why you'd need to do that. You should be thinking of possible tags while you're writing, then when you're proofreading, all through the process. You should, then, have the right tags ready to go as soon as you're ready to submit. In short, you should not upload your story until it's a finished product.

I'm really not understanding what you think you need here. "After a story has been published," you shouldn't need to change (or, in your words, "add") anything at all.

 

[LargoKitt]

No. Sorry. It's about changing.

An addition is a change, if it happens after submission.

And there is truly no point in "opening a discussion" about anything you want site management to do, if it doesn't help the readers. Clear categories help the readers. So. Clear categories are what this site has always had and will continue to have.

I'll reiterate: if you're second-guessing your category choice after submission, you're doing it wrong. Do your second-guessing before you submit. Sorry if you don't like that answer, but it's the correct answer.

Missed the boat again. I am saying that at a certain point I might say, as I have, "Hey, Loving Wives fans might like this story and could be missing it because it is in Fetish. It does qualify. It has been mouldering in Fetish for a while. Why not switch it to Loving Wives and see if it perks up?" If that could be done easily and automatically, why not?

 

[LargoKitt]

...but I'm still puzzled why you'd need to do that. You should be thinking of possible tags while you're writing, then when you're proofreading, all through the process. You should, then, have the right tags ready to go as soon as you're ready to submit. In short, you should not upload your story until it's a finished product.

I'm really not understanding what you think you need here. "After a story has been published," you shouldn't need to change (or, in your words, "add") anything at all.

Voboy, maybe I don't have your confidence in my omniscience as to all possible angles a story might appeal. Surely, since categories and contents overlap, one might revisit a tale and say, "Hey, this isn't getting much traction in this category. Maybe these readers would love it better. Also, while one can add quite a few tags they are limited. I see merit in being able, without fuss, to swap a few that might spark a different reader.

 

[LargoKitt]

Yes, but what's the benefit to lit?

You're suggesting they move from moderating tags at the time of submission, to allowing unmoderated tags to be added. A person could add any tag. Eg "under 18" or whatever.
We can already add tags, they just need to be moderated.
Changing the site would take a lot of time and money, and while it may benefit someone like me, who once forgot to copy and paste my tags into the submission box, I don't see how lit would benefit from dropping this moderation step.

But, the good news is its not up to me or anyone in this thread. If you think this change will benefit lit then you could always contact them with the feedback, and explain.

Tbh, if it were up to me, I'd uphaul the category and teasing system completely. But as it is, I've got no say in it, just like I had no say when they removed the erotic art category.

Nope, I'm suggesting adding regulated tags at a certain point. At present I know certain words are automatically rejected. So no 'no no' tags. And, heaven forfend, maybe one has to ask L & M in a formal process, but it's just for tags and categories, not changing the story.

 

[Katie_Mae]

Why am I being misinterpreted? I am suggesting that after a story has been published a couple of regulated tags could be added to the tag lists without going through an elaborate process of republishing the story. By the same token, the category might be changed (or even added.) All this could be a normal added process at Lit. It could expand readership of existing stories. That's it.

As you know, I'm not misinterpreting you. Creating a pre-approved list of tags is, as you know, one of the ways I suggested to allow this change.

As you know, I would love the ability to add tags after publishing. But, as you know, this change will cost lit time and money. Lit isn't interested in what we the individual authors want, as you know they already consider AH as a minority.

As you know, I have no power over this change, if you think lit will benefit financially from this, suggest it to them.

 

[LargoKitt]

No. Sorry. It's about changing.

An addition is a change, if it happens after submission.

And there is truly no point in "opening a discussion" about anything you want site management to do, if it doesn't help the readers. Clear categories help the readers. So. Clear categories are what this site has always had and will continue to have.

I'll reiterate: if you're second-guessing your category choice after submission, you're doing it wrong. Do your second-guessing before you submit. Sorry if you don't like that answer, but it's the correct answer.

I'm *adding* my category choice several months or years down the line with the idea that maybe these readers missed it because it was in the other boat. Wave a flag.

 

[LargoKitt]

As you know, I'm not misinterpreting you. Creating a pre-approved list of tags is, as you know, one of the ways I suggested to allow this change.

As you know, I would love the ability to add tags after publishing. But, as you know, this change will cost lit time and money. Lit isn't interested in what we the individual authors want, as you know they already consider AH as a minority.

As you know, I have no power over this change, if you think lit will benefit financially from this, suggest it to them.

Tags are automatically vetted. I've had them rejected as I entered them. I assume Lit makes money from us other than drawing readers to other paying stuff on the site. I guess that pays the bills. If readers roam more categories I assume that means more traffic. To a reader who missed my story because it was in a bucket they don't look at, by putting it in a different bucket it makes it a 'new' story with more traffic. Same if a new tag leads somebody to it. If this can be done at little cost it does 'add business'. Getting a feeling here for whether this appeals to authors makes sense if we want to pitch it to Lit. The discussion is harmless. Why the pushback from something that would benefit authors IMHO?

 

[Katie_Mae]

Nope, I'm suggesting adding regulated tags at a certain point. At present I know certain words are automatically rejected. So no 'no no' tags. And, heaven forfend, maybe one has to ask L & M in a formal process, but it's just for tags and categories, not changing the story.

Not in your initial post you weren't. That's an addition you've made after people pointed out it could be used to break the rules.

It would be great if we could change story categories and add or subtract tags without having to submit the story all over again. Any other 'easy tailoring' might authors want?

This was your initial suggestion. It made no suggestion of redesigning the site to use pre-set tags.

Tags are moderated. There's no set tags, so you can write anything in there.
Eg, if your story features the death of a main character and you tag it "death" as a kind of content warning, this tag will be stripped prior to publication as "death" is a banned tag. So allowing free editing of tags would require a way for those tags to still go through moderation, or for the site to switch to using a set list of approved tags.

Either way, it would be a lot of work for the site with no real benefit for them.

Categories appear to be somewhat moderated too, in that I've heard of Laurel either putting a story in a different category to what it was submitted, or including an editor's note at the beginning. (eg, a story containing non-con you want put in something other than the non-con section)

My first story I forgot to copy/paste the tags I'd written so I do get the desire to want to go back and add tags as I've felt it myself. There's other sites which do things differently, we can post there, lit will have no shortage of writers here.

And this is where I suggested the use of a pre-set list of tags to allow it.

While some tags are stripped automatically, the site still needs to review to stop people writing D3@th or sube!ght33n or whatever, so a pre-approved tag list would be the only way to circumvent moderation all together.

I was the person in this thread who agreed with you the most. No idea why you're attacking me

We already have the ability to change tags and categories. If you really think that the ability to do so more quickly will draw in heaps of money for lit then suggest it to them. It's a feature I'd use. (adding tags that is, not changing categories, no point after the first 24 hours have passed really)

Here is the link where you can suggest it: https://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=81387&page=contact

But as for rallying the AH together to petition for this change... forget it. If the whole of AH said "make this change or we leave" Laurel would probably say "good riddance"

 

[SparkleFur]

You can submit those kind of changes as an edit, so you don't lose comments, ratings, etc. The specifics are in the FAQ.

Well, here's my question. I did some edits on a piece. As I understood it, you re-submit it as a new piece but with EDITED attached to the title. That's fine. But I didn't see any other way to proceed except to copy and paste all the text (in several chunks), copy and paste the short description, recreate the tags...it was pretty tedious. Maybe I'm an idiot but I didn't see any other way to

You can submit those kind of changes as an edit, so you don't lose comments, ratings, etc. The specifics are in the FAQ.

Well, here's my question. I did some edits on a piece. As I understood it, you re-submit it as a new piece but with EDITED attached to the title. That's fine. But I didn't see any other way to proceed except to copy and paste all the text (in several chunks), copy and paste the short description, recreate the tags...it was pretty tedious. Maybe I'm being an idiot. Did I miss something?

(I don't mean to complain)

 

[Katie_Mae]

Well, here's my question. I did some edits on a piece. As I understood it, you re-submit it as a new piece but with EDITED attached to the title. That's fine. But I didn't see any other way to proceed except to copy and paste all the text (in several chunks), copy and paste the short description, recreate the tags...it was pretty tedious. Maybe I'm an idiot but I didn't see any other way to

Well, here's my question. I did some edits on a piece. As I understood it, you re-submit it as a new piece but with EDITED attached to the title. That's fine. But I didn't see any other way to proceed except to copy and paste all the text (in several chunks), copy and paste the short description, recreate the tags...it was pretty tedious. Maybe I'm being an idiot. Did I miss something?

(I don't mean to complain)

If you're changing the category or making changes to tags (including adding tags) you don't need to recopy the text of the story. Are you asking about making changes to the category and tags or to the actual story text?

 

[SparkleFur]

If you're changing the category or making changes to tags (including adding tags) you don't need to recopy the text of the story. Are you asking about making changes to the category and tags or to the actual story text?

Well, both... I couldn't see a way to edit the tags but maybe I was looking in the wrong place! Like I said, perfectly willing to admit cluelessness.

But editing the text definitely requires reproducing the whole thing, yeah?

 

[Katie_Mae]

Well, both... I couldn't see a way to edit the tags but maybe I was looking in the wrong place! Like I said, perfectly willing to admit cluelessness.

I post on another site which allows author controlled editing. You can just hop in and edit your story, tags, title, category at any time. I much prefer it as a writer, but compared to that lit has a rather annoying/odd way of editing which isn't obvious, especially if you're used to the way other sites do it.

How to edit tags is here https://www.literotica.com/faq/publishing/changing-tags-published-work

But editing the text definitely requires reproducing the whole thing, yeah?

Yup.

Any edit can take awhile in my experience a month, but it can vary. The site priotirises pushing out new content rather than adjusting old content.

 

[ElectricBlue]

As you know, I'm not misinterpreting you. Creating a pre-approved list of tags is, as you know, one of the ways I suggested to allow this change.

Each category has a "most used" tag list, with a couple hundred tags, coded by font size. It's easy to grab a tag that's, well, most used by authors.

Finding ten tags when an author loads their story isn't that hard to do, not really.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Well, here's my question. I did some edits on a piece. As I understood it, you re-submit it as a new piece but with EDITED attached to the title. That's fine. But I didn't see any other way to proceed except to copy and paste all the text (in several chunks), copy and paste the short description, recreate the tags...it was pretty tedious. Maybe I'm an idiot but I didn't see any other way to

All you need to do is put Edit in your story title, include the full Lit url in the body of the text, put in the tags that you didn't add the first time, include a Note to the Editor "please include new tags", and resubmit.

Next time, do that before you submit, not afterwards.

 

[Katie_Mae]

Each category has a "most used" tag list, with a couple hundred tags, coded by font size. It's easy to grab a tag that's, well, most used by authors.

Finding ten tags when an author loads their story isn't that hard to do, not really.

Yes, but by "pre approved tag list" We're talking about limiting an author to only those tags. Right now it's a free text field.

 

[usable001]

... after a story has been published a couple of regulated tags could be added to the tag lists...

I think you are assuming a list of approved tags exists in the first place. If that were true, you wouldn't have five spellings for the same tag.

Any word or set of words may be used as a tag, unless a human being during the approval process says otherwise. At the bottom right of tags.literotica.com, they even have a list of 10 tags with only a single story attached, like "older woman comes hard" or "lesbian beach house". Hit refresh on your browser and get ten different single-story tags.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Yes, but by "pre approved tag list" We're talking about limiting an author to only those tags. Right now it's a free text field.

It is, and what's wrong with that? All it means is an author might have idiosyncratic tags for their story which no-one else would think of, but that's their loss in terms of spruiking their story.

Why limit the kink list? That makes no sense to me as an author. Showing me what most other authors use is sensible, particularly since the tag pages are so easy to use. In a way, they're a "best use these" list already .

 

[usable001]

If that were true, you wouldn't have five spellings for the same tag.

That's actually the biggest problem I have with the tag system here. I get ten choices, do I make five of them the same term?

 

[SparkleFur]

All you need to do is put Edit in your story title, include the full Lit url in the body of the text, put in the tags that you didn't add the first time, include a Note to the Editor "please include new tags", and resubmit.

Next time, do that before you submit, not afterwards.

I think I just removed one tag because it seemed redundant...

 

[ElectricBlue]

That's actually the biggest problem I have with the tag system here. I get ten choices, do I make five of them the same term?

Surely you can find ten tags to sell what's in your story. Why would you duplicate anything?

Think of different ways people might search, eg: MFF, Threesome, Older Man Younger Women, Age Gap, Young Woman Older Man, Fellatio, Cunnilingus - that's seven tags, I've got three more. Sell your story, that's what the tags are for.

 

[SparkleFur]

It is, and what's wrong with that? All it means is an author might have idiosyncratic tags for their story which no-one else would think of, but that's their loss in terms of spruiking their story.

Why limit the kink list? That makes no sense to me as an author. Showing me what most other authors use is sensible, particularly since the tag pages are so easy to use. In a way, they're a "best use these" list already .

I would think it's a matter of consistency, too. So for example, there are tags for both "age difference" and "age gap"; for "18 year old" and "18-year-old." It would be nice if there were some standardized tags you could pick from, or make up your own. It's not a big deal or anything, but... just a thought. But...they're listed right next to each other so it's not like you can't find them....

 

[IWroteThis]

I think you are assuming a list of approved tags exists in the first place. If that were true, you wouldn't have five spellings for the same tag.

Any word or set of words may be used as a tag, unless a human being during the approval process says otherwise. At the bottom right of tags.literotica.com, they even have a list of 10 tags with only a single story attached, like "older woman comes hard" or "lesbian beach house". Hit refresh on your browser and get ten different single-story tags.

I'd never noticed that before. However, when I refreshed the page, it kept giving me the same 10 tags rather than different ones.