Condoms? Yes or No

[devils_daughter]

Also, since I went to nursing school they've changed their thinking on how it is spread... they used to say that it could only be spread when a lesion is present and, I believe, an open one at that... now they know that isn't true... you can spread it w/o having a lesion.

That all said... and it is easy for me to say it because I don't have it, but still... I agree w/ Devil's Daughter that getting it doesn't have to be the end of the world. I (idealistically) think that if someone cares enough for one it won't matter to them.

Yeh, I contracted it through a mouth ulcer on my bf through oral. Neither or us knew it was a risk at all, as he is definatly the kind of guy that would do nothing to put me in danger, especially of an incurable disease.

I agree with what you say about if they care about you enough they will stay with you, but it's not always so easy if the partner in question is the one to have given it to you as the guilt trip is unbelievable. Even though I'm the one stuck with a disease for the rest of my life, it hit my bf a hell of a lot harder then it hit me. As i said, the mental and emotional effect on the relationship is much worse then the physical symptoms which can pretty much be controlled with painkillers (although my first episode hurt like a mother-fucker!).

I think everyone that is having sex right now needs to think about how they would deal with giving someone herpes or contracting it themselves because so little is known for definite as to how to get it (I've heard so much conflicting stuff since I got it about 4 months ago) that it can easily be transmitted accidentaly.

 

[Eilan]

But if I knew who's I'm banging, then I hate wearing it. I just love feeling pussy walls gripping my meat

You can know someone really well and still not know whether or not that person has STDs.

 

[devils_daughter]

Seconded, thirded and fourthed! if you're not going to use them go in with your eyes open and FULLY aware of the risks.

 

[Mary Hall]

If a guy won`t wear one, then his penis isn`t going anywhere near me

 

[Dazz Hetfield]

Unless you're trying to get a girl pregnant then it's stupid to NOT wear one.

 

[alrem]

You can know someone really well and still not know whether or not that person has STDs.

Yeah ofcourse you cannot know 100% if a person is not contaminated with STD. But by knowing the person's attitude, hygienes and even family background, you can measure the posibility of that person to carry a virus. Its a matter of "How much risk would you put at stake to feel each other bare" (did I say it right? lol )

Some person finds it worth the risk, specially if you know the person's background for a long time. For pregnancy protection, there's different ways to do it. Its a matter of choice

But don't get me wrong, I didn't say to be irresponsible. Because having a child is not a joke. Both of you must be prepared physically, emotionally and most of all financially.

If you "cannot do" or "don't know" another method to prevent pregnancy then stick with the rubber. It's better than abortion.

NO MATTER WHAT REASON NO ONE HAVE THE RIGHT TO KILL AN UNBORN CHILD!

 

[Mary Hall]

NO MATTER WHAT REASON NO ONE HAVE THE RIGHT TO KILL AN UNBORN CHILD!

A woman does have the right to terminate, let`s not turn this into a political debate

 

[bmw1080]

I cannot believe people still have this laizze faire attitude to using condoms. Get into this century - Put a Lid On It.

 

[Vixandra]

Yes, a condom can lower the sensations both partners feel during sex. Not always though- I rather like the Trojon Ultra Thin (think they're Trojon's) condoms. The ribbed ones are nice too.

In today's world of STD's one cannot be too safe. And many STD's, like HIV, herpes and even some forms of hepatitis do not have cures. So you're stuck with it for the rest of your life because you couldn't bare to have intercourse without a condom.
Rather craptacular reason to be stuck with such a thing if you ask me.

As for the pill- both of my brothers were born on the pill. Only 100% for sure ways for her not to get pregnant are abstinance and a hysterectomy (remove uterus). They do work the majority of the time, but its safer to use two methods, especially if she's not regular about taking it or started it within the last month, changed doses, etc.

Mary Hall is absolutely right- put a condom on it.

As to hygene issues- my mother told me something she read (that I later found too) reading "The Rowen"- if its too dirty for you to kiss it, then it shouldn't be inside you.
But even cleanliness and hygene aren't indications of whether someone's infected.

Unless you can prove every person that "Y" has ever slept with is STD free, then I wouldn't let them near me unsheathed till after he'd been tested once, then again in six months. Even then, there'd have to be some serious trust involved.
No round of sex is worth dying over. Not to me anyway.

 

[alrem]

A woman does have the right to terminate, let`s not turn this into a political debate

Its like saying that a person has the right to kill an inocent and harmless child just because "she's a victim of rape" or "she don't have money to feed the child" or "She has an HIV and don't want the child to live with it" or whatever difficulties she have.

gees...

I've seen so many dog living in the street, always digging in the garbage to hunt for food just to live. But if you touch their newly born puppies they will bite your guts just to defend their siblings.

Its strange. Because humans were killing their child just because their own life were ruined.

For me killing an unborn child was not worthy to be human but much worse than an animal.

my opinion only

 

[alrem]

Doing some check-ups was a good habit. When you found out that you and your partner were clean then all you have to worry was unwanted pregnancy.

But after the medical clearance and you still don't wanna try other methods of birth control besides condom. Then you do believe that your partner was cheating on you.

hee hee hee

By the way, I dont rely on pills too. I recoment injections because my doctor says its more effective.

 

[Mary Hall]

A woman has every right to abort if she gets raped

 

[PunkyMunky]

Wow there has been a lot of posts for such a simple thread eh ?
Thanks everyone for the response, even not directed at me

I suppose the next question is, at what point in a relationship would you start to consider unprotected sex?

Im only interested what some people have to say about this, I definatly dont feel I have reached the oober trust stage with my girl yet.

 

[SweetErika]

Its like saying that a person has the right to kill an inocent and harmless child just because "she's a victim of rape" or "she don't have money to feed the child" or "She has an HIV and don't want the child to live with it" or whatever difficulties she have.

gees...

I've seen so many dog living in the street, always digging in the garbage to hunt for food just to live. But if you touch their newly born puppies they will bite your guts just to defend their siblings.

Its strange. Because humans were killing their child just because their own life were ruined.

For me killing an unborn child was not worthy to be human but much worse than an animal.

my opinion only

That's an awful lot of rhetoric there, buddy. There's a big difference between a fetus (say, under 5 months) and a child. Just for your information, a lot of people don't have abortions because it'll ruin their lives...they do it because they don't want to bring an unwanted child who will not have a good life into the world. Using abortion as a form of birth control is dead wrong, in my opinion, but most people are responsible and, as Mary said, it's a valid right and choice.

 

[SweetErika]

Wow there has been a lot of posts for such a simple thread eh ?
Thanks everyone for the response, even not directed at me

I suppose the next question is, at what point in a relationship would you start to consider unprotected sex?

Im only interested what some people have to say about this, I definatly dont feel I have reached the oober trust stage with my girl yet.

Good question. I wouldn't consider it until we'd both been tested twice, which is at least six months, first of all. I also wouldn't consider it unless I was confident our relationship was solid and healthy enough in terms of trust, communication, etc. to handle parenthood and an STI like HPV (since only women are tested for that one). Every relationship is different, but I'd likely feel more comfortable after a year or so.

 

[CrayzieRapture]

While not a big fan of condoms myself, they are a neccessity. One nice side benefit is that because they do tend to reduce the sensations for men, men seem to last longer while wearing one Helps especially for men who tend to finish off a bit to quickly.

 

[devils_daughter]

In today's world of STD's one cannot be too safe. And many STD's, like HIV, herpes and even some forms of hepatitis do not have cures. So you're stuck with it for the rest of your life because you couldn't bare to have intercourse without a condom.

In the nicest possible way..that's crap, at least when it comes to Herpes. It can be transmitted orally, and exactly how many of us use a barrier when a guy does down on a girl???? I, and thousands of other people in the world have Herpes because of misconceptions like this, it is NOT a nice condition t have, and the last thing we need is for everyone to think we have it simply because we weren't careful. It's not fair to generalise as you have no idea how each person affected has come into contact with the disease.

 

[devils_daughter]

Its like saying that a person has the right to kill an inocent and harmless child just because "she's a victim of rape" or "she don't have money to feed the child" or "She has an HIV and don't want the child to live with it" or whatever difficulties she have.

Jesus, you don't think it's right to abort if the mother was a victim of rape??? How the hell would you feel if you found out that you were conceived through the ultimate act of violence and that the blood of that monster runs through your veins??? Yeh, I'm sure it's a great life for the kid, and just as nice for the mother that has to see her rapist every tme she sees her child, or the man she ends up with who sees the pain and violation the woman he loves went through everytime he looks at her child.

 

[cdobbs12000]

play it safe

 

[alrem]

That's an awful lot of rhetoric there, buddy. There's a big difference between a fetus (say, under 5 months) and a child. Just for your information, a lot of people don't have abortions because it'll ruin their lives...they do it because they don't want to bring an unwanted child who will not have a good life into the world. Using abortion as a form of birth control is dead wrong, in my opinion, but most people are responsible and, as Mary said, it's a valid right and choice.

It's true that a fetus and a child was different but only in physical form. Because both of them were gifted with "Life".

On my opinion only: judging that a child will not gonna have a good life was not a valid reason to kill it.

I am an unwanted child before, my father didn't really love my mother when they first slept together. Everything happens just because they were drunk. My mother thought of aborting me. But I don't hate my mom, infact I'm proud of her because she gave me a chance to live and a chance to love her. She's a teen age mom that don't have money for both of us but still she strive hard. My father sees me when I was about more than one years old and marry my mother because of me. When I graduated in college as an engineer, my mom told me that she have done the most foolish things but she's glad that there's one good thing she have done. And that's to give birth to a lovable son like me.

Well... my point on telling this is that every body deserve a chance and nobody deserve to be murdered, a fetus or a born human

 

[alrem]

Jesus, you don't think it's right to abort if the mother was a victim of rape??? How the hell would you feel if you found out that you were conceived through the ultimate act of violence and that the blood of that monster runs through your veins??? Yeh, I'm sure it's a great life for the kid, and just as nice for the mother that has to see her rapist every tme she sees her child, or the man she ends up with who sees the pain and violation the woman he loves went through everytime he looks at her child.

I understand what pain a rape victim will endure, specially when she got pregnant because of it. But I also believe that the hate for the rapist must not be transferred to the innocent child.

Ofcourse the rapist blood runs through the vains of the child but think of this:
If your brother commits a murder and sentenced to death, does it means that you must die too?

If the victim cannot really accept the child then she can send it to an orphange or find someone who want's to adopt a child. Atleast the innocent kid was given a chance to live. You don't really know but maybe someday, the child that you hate was the one who will love and care for you when you were old.

 

[yoshimitsu]

I understand what pain a rape victim will endure, specially when she got pregnant because of it. But I also believe that the hate for the rapist must not be transferred to the innocent child.

Ofcourse the rapist blood runs through the vains of the child but think of this:
If your brother commits a murder and sentenced to death, does it means that you must die too?

If the victim cannot really accept the child then she can send it to an orphange or find someone who want's to adopt a child. Atleast the innocent kid was given a chance to live. You don't really know but maybe someday, the child that you hate was the one who will love and care for you when you were old.

I think this thread has been thourogly jacked. If you want to preach about how fetuses deserve to live despite a potential miseable upbringing then why don't you start your own thread on it. I wouldn't mind going ape on your ass but don't really think this is the place. I also don't think it would do a damn bit of good because you won't change my opionion and I doubt I will change yours. I will say that I wouldn't mind seeing some people aborted no matter how old they are.

 

[alrem]

Sorry if I mislead the thread and I don't want to sound like a preacher but as far as I know, I'm just answering replies

Please dont get me wrong, I'm still the jackass who loves fucking