Confederacy as heritage

[Sign54]

Why do conservatives seem to be obsessed with preserving "4 years of heritage" so much?? I mean, Buffy the Vampire Slayer was on longer than that "country" existed. Their constitution said " No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed."
I mean, this is what Robert E Lee had to say about Black People:"The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things." Ironically, despite Robert E Lee clearly being a villain, he didn't want statues of himself built after his death. That's the irony, the Neo-Confederates and Klansmen are NOT honoring their "heroes" wishes.
Of course, if you went to Vienna or Salzburg today, and wore a swastika while singing "Horst Wessel" after denying the Holocaust, the Austrians would throw you in prison.

 

[Rotadom]

Patriotic Americans beat the Confederates and the Nazis.

Why do MAGAts want to be associated with two failed entities that America has already beaten?

s, that's why.

 

[Rightguide]

Why do conservatives seem to be obsessed with preserving "4 years of heritage" so much?? I mean, Buffy the Vampire Slayer was on longer than that "country" existed. Their constitution said " No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed."
I mean, this is what Robert E Lee had to say about Black People:"The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things." Ironically, despite Robert E Lee clearly being a villain, he didn't want statues of himself built after his death. That's the irony, the Neo-Confederates and Klansmen are NOT honoring their "heroes" wishes.
Of course, if you went to Vienna or Salzburg today, and wore a swastika while singing "Horst Wessel" after denying the Holocaust, the Austrians would throw you in prison.

As for your comparison to Austria and Germany, where the state promptly claps a man in the hoosegow for sporting a swastika or singing that Horst Wessel Lied, that is a solution that could only satisfy a European bureaucrat or an American progressive. The European believes that if you make a thought illegal, it ceases to exist. The American rustic, protected by the grand and glorious shield of the First Amendment, is permitted to display his ignorance openly, out in the sunshine. And why shouldn't he? To ban the Confederate flag would be a public disservice. It functions beautifully as a necessary social warning, a brightly colored label on the bottle, alerting the passerby that the contents within are entirely sour, fermented, and unfit for human consumption.

 

[Saint_Ann]

It's a necessary reminder that slavery was a democrat sponsored institution.

 

[YDB95]

To ban the Confederate flag would be a public disservice.

Of course, no one in this thread has called for that.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Of course, no one in this thread has called for that.

Did you?

 

[YDB95]

Did you?

Nope.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Nope.

I think it's a cool looking flag.

 

[TastySuckToy]

It's a necessary reminder that slavery was a democrat sponsored institution.

And still going very strong, as our local leftists/democrats relentlessly keep showing us.

 

[Saint_Ann]

And still going very strong, as our local leftists/democrats relentlessly keep showing us.

The intentional cultivation of a criminal class.

 

[Chernosoth]

Southern heritage, not conservative heritage.

The USA generally doesn't have much of any heritage. We have scraps.

Some of my ancestors were probably English. I speak English and that's all the heritage I have.

 

[briancamdudetenger2018]

Patriotic Americans beat the Confederates and the Nazis.

Why do MAGAts want to be associated with two failed entities that America has already beaten?

s, that's why.

why does the trump right wing orbit want to be like those 2 super villain groups

well because they want to go backwards and be like the old days from the 1770s to the 1950s

 

[OralAllOver]

What person is directly responsible for the deaths of more US soldiers than any other?
.
More than Cornwalis or Tarletan, Ludendorf, Rommel, von Runstedt or Yamamoto
.
The #1 killer of US soldiers: Robert E Lee. He took an oath to uphold the Constitution betrayed it

 

[JordynRose]

It's a necessary reminder that slavery was a democrat sponsored institution.

I think you may find it necessary to read the attached. It gives more weight to the word “was”.

https://www.studentsofhistory.com/i...h4xOjN-qq2uFnBPXvFBQgGydnIfEkcLAQfO7XKtjSxeAy

Enjoy

 

[JordynRose]

The intentional cultivation of a criminal class.

So you are saying a 33 time felon, child pedophile, liar, cheater, an adjudicated rapist, thief, stealing from a children’s cancer charity, is not a Republican criminal?

Got it.

 

[Saint_Ann]

So you are saying a 33 time felon, child pedophile, liar, cheater, an adjudicated rapist, thief, stealing from a children’s cancer charity, is not a Republican criminal?

Got it.

That's not what that means.

 

[JordynRose]

So you think he doesn’t facilitate criminals? Seriously?

 

[YDB95]

Here's the most thorough look at this issue I've seen in quite some time:

A message and important education for Trump supporters from someone who teaches AP US History:
“If you are confused as to why so many Americans are defending the confederate flag, monuments, and statues right now, I put together a quick Q&A, with questions from a hypothetical person with misconceptions and answers from my perspective as an AP U.S. History Teacher:

Q: What did the Confederacy stand for?
A: Rather than interpreting, let’s go directly to the words of the Confederacy’s Vice President, Alexander Stephens. In his “Cornerstone Speech” on March 21, 1861, he stated “The Constitution… rested upon the equality of races. This was an error. Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.”

Q: But people keep saying heritage, not hate! They think the purpose of the flags and monuments are to honor confederate soldiers, right?
A: The vast majority of confederate flags flying over government buildings in the south were first put up in the 1960’s during the Civil Rights Movement. So for the first hundred years after the Civil War ended, while relatives of those who fought in it were still alive, the confederate flag wasn’t much of a symbol at all. But when Martin Luther King, Jr. and John Lewis were marching on Washington to get the Civil Rights Act (1964) and Voting Rights Act (1965) passed, leaders in the south felt compelled to fly confederate flags and put up monuments to honor people who had no living family members and had fought in a war that ended a century ago. Their purpose in doing this was to exhibit their displeasure with black people fighting for basic human rights that were guaranteed to them in the 14th and 15th Amendments but being withheld by racist policies and practices.

Q: But if we take down confederate statues and monuments, how will we teach about and remember the past?
A: Monuments and statues pose little educational relevance, whereas museums, the rightful place for Confederate paraphernalia, can provide more educational opportunities for citizens to learn about our country’s history. The Civil War is important to learn about, and will always loom large in social studies curriculum. Removing monuments from public places and putting them in museums also allows us to avoid celebrating and honoring people who believed that tens of millions of black Americans should be legal property.

Q: But what if the Confederate flag symbol means something different to me?
A: Individuals aren’t able to change the meaning of symbols that have been defined by history. When I hang a Bucs flag outside my house, to me, the Bucs might represent the best team in the NFL, but to the outside world, they represent an awful NFL team, since they haven’t won a playoff game in 18 years. I can’t change that meaning for everyone who drives by my house because it has been established for the whole world to see. If a Confederate flag stands for generic rebellion or southern pride to you, your personal interpretation forfeits any meaning once you display it publicly, as its meaning takes on the meaning it earned when a failed regime killed hundreds of thousands of Americans in an attempt to destroy America and keep black people enslaved forever.

Q: But my uncle posted a meme that said the Civil War/Confederacy was about state’s rights and not slavery?
A: “A state’s right to what?” - John Green

Q: Everyone is offended about everything these days. Should we take everything down that offends anyone?
A: The Confederacy literally existed to go against the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the idea that black people are human beings that deserve to live freely. If that doesn’t upset or offend you, you are un-American.

Q: Taking these down goes against the First Amendment and freedom of speech, right?
A: No. Anyone can do whatever they want on their private property, on their social media, etc. Taking these down in public, or having private corporations like NASCAR ban them on their properties, has literally nothing to do with the Bill of Rights.

Q: How can people claim to be patriotic while supporting a flag that stood for a group of insurgent failures who tried to permanently destroy America and killed 300,000 Americans in the process?
A: No clue.

Q: So if I made a confederate flag my profile picture, or put a confederate bumper sticker on my car, what am I declaring to my friends, family, and the world?
A: That you support the Confederacy. To recap, the Confederacy stands for: slavery, white supremacy, treason, failure, and a desire to permanently destroy Selective history as it supports white supremacy.
It’s no accident that:
You learned about Helen Keller instead of W.E.B, DuBois
You learned about the Watts and L.A. Riots, but not Tulsa or Wilmington.
You learned that George Washington’s dentures were made from wood, rather than the teeth from slaves.
You learned about black ghettos, but not about Black Wall Street.
You learned about the New Deal, but not “red lining.”
You learned about Tommie Smith’s fist in the air at the 1968 Olympics, but not that he was sent home the next day and stripped of his medals.
You learned about “black crime,” but white criminals were never lumped together and discussed in terms of their race.
You learned about “states rights” as the cause of the Civil War, but not that slavery was mentioned 80 times in the articles of secession.
Privilege is having history rewritten so that you don’t have to acknowledge uncomfortable facts.
Racism is perpetuated by people who refuse to learn or acknowledge this reality.
You have a choice.”
- Jim Golden

This puts into perspective the entire anti-CRT movement in GQP controlled states. In places like Florida, this AP history teacher would not be able to teach these truths. The anti-CRT, and anti-antiracism movement is a form of White Supremacist suppression of ideas that could threaten the wealthy, White male power position in this country.
As Ibram X. Kendi recently pointed out in a NYT’s Ezra Klein Show podcast: (https://www.nytimes.com/.../transcript-ezra-klein...)
"And the reason why that’s been so incredible to me is because…the phrase, “antiracist is code for antiwhite,” was a white supremacist talking point for years. I think that’s what’s also been striking to me, that you can have such prominent white supremacist thoughts dominating the Republican Party that even Donald Trump himself isn’t necessarily driving."

 

[PaxNurgle]

Excellent analysis, but the sad thing is, many people on this forum do not have the intellectual capacity to properly comprehend it.
Even though they may lie about having completed law school.

 

[YDB95]

Excellent analysis, but the sad thing is, many people on this forum do not have the intellectual capacity to properly comprehend it.
Even though they may lie about having completed law school.

Or attending a top ten undergrad college.

 

[OralAllOver]

UC Irvine (go Anteaters!) must be in top 10. What are the other 9?

 

[Wat_Tyler]

With all the stuff else that you lot have absolutely no control over, you certainly seem to have your knickers completely wadded over a scrap of fabric.

 

[OralAllOver]

Check out the first sentence

https://grandnewflag.com/2025/06/25...oxptaA3N3ri7xYXCxJrguqC-7W-T4uVAN8V76MsuHbdFs

 

[OralAllOver]

When the formerly seceeded states sent Senators and Representatives back to DC, SOME OF THEM WORE CONFEDERATE UNIFORMS

In many ways the loss has been pretended away (while simultaneously grasping all the benefits that the United States of America has to offer).
Piles, hills, mountains of evidence show that systems of pernicious racial control were continue to today

If anyone supports killing US soldiers -- exactly what Rebels (who traditionally are hanged) did -- then perhaps Russia fits your outlook better

 

[Sign54]

When the formerly seceeded states sent Senators and Representatives back to DC, SOME OF THEM WORE CONFEDERATE UNIFORMS

In many ways the loss has been pretended away (while simultaneously grasping all the benefits that the United States of America has to offer).
Piles, hills, mountains of evidence show that systems of pernicious racial control were continue to today

If anyone supports killing US soldiers -- exactly what Rebels (who traditionally are hanged) did -- then perhaps Russia fits your outlook better

I mean, regarding Austria, they do have the FPO(a far right party) founded by a former SS officer.