Coulter Thumps Crap World Invention Of Kawanza

[Ulaven_Demorte]

You're probably right about Christmas but Easter is based on the Jewish holiday of Passover, although some of the rituals and customs probably come from pagan celebrations of the vernal equinox.

BTW, do you know the difference between solstice and equinox?

Easter has nothing to do with Passover. Nothing.

All of the symbols of Easter are taken directly from pagan fertility rites. Rabbits, eggs. Hell even the name "Easter" originated with the names of an ancient Goddess and God. The Venerable Bede, (672-735 CE), a Christian scholar, first asserted in his book De Ratione Temporum that Easter was named after Eostre (a.k.a. Eastre). She was the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe. Similarly, the "Teutonic dawn goddess of fertility known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostre, Eostur, Eastra, Eastur, Austron and Ausos." Her name was derived from the ancient word for spring: "eastre."

The celebration usually features a service at sunrise (pagan sun worship and strictly forbidden in the Bible (Ezekiel 8:15-18)), Rabbits, eggs ( both symbols of fertility), and hot cross buns which if you read Acts you know were sweet cakes baked for an idol (the Queen of Heaven). When the clergy couldn't stop their being made, they blessed them instead.

Easter is, like Christmas, an amalgamation of pagan celebrations folded into the Christian faith to attract the pagans to convert.

 

[Que]

All of the symbols of Easter are taken directly from pagan fertility rites. Rabbits, eggs. Hell even the name "Easter" originated with the names of an ancient Goddess and God. The Venerable Bede, (672-735 CE), a Christian scholar, first asserted in his book De Ratione Temporum that Easter was named after Eostre (a.k.a. Eastre). She was the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe. Similarly, the "Teutonic dawn goddess of fertility [was] known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostre, Eostur, Eastra, Eastur, Austron and Ausos." 1 Her name was derived from the ancient word for spring: "eastre."

The celebration usually features a service at sunrise (pagan sun worship), Rabbits, eggs ( both symbols of fertility), and hot cross buns which if you read Acts you know were sweet cakes baked for an idol. When the clergy couldn't stop their being made, they blessed them instead.

Easter is, like Christmas, an amalgamation of pagan celebrations folded into the Christian faith to attract the pagans to convert.

Marketing doesn't change the branding. There was no Día de Muertos in the old world. That was used to bring a cultural bridge in the new world.

Your analogy is off, though. At some point these are well ingrained traditions. Let's see what a December Kwanza "harvest celebration" in 1700 years looks like. December is the growing season for Africa.

I think there is a better chance of having a pumpkin festival in July.

On the other hand Christmas is where it is to hide it. Lambs are born in the spring.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Marketing doesn't change the branding. There was no Día de Muertos in the old world. That was used to bring a cultural bridge in the new world.

Your analogy is off, though. At some point these are well ingrained traditions. Let's see what a December Kwanza "harvest celebration" in 1700 years looks like. December is the growing season for Africa.

I think there is a better chance of having a pumpkin festival in July.

On the other hand Christmas is where it is to hide it. Lambs are born in the spring.

Marketing has jack to do with the fact that both Christmas and Easter are celebrations co-opted from pre-Christian pagans. The traditions of caroling and midnight service, mistletoes, decorated trees, candles and lights, wreaths and hollies, among others, were present in European paganism long before the advent of Christianity.

Christmas is celebrated when it is because it is and was a celebration of the Winter Solstice , a celebration the birth of the sun (not the Son) after the shortest day of the year. Christians are not the first or the only to attempt to claim the Winter Solstice festival as the celebration of the birth of their God. Deities from other religions whose births have been celebrated on the same date include: Attis and Dionysus, both of Greece; Mithra of Persia; Salivahana of Bermuda; Odin of Scandinavia; Crite of Chaldez; Thammuz of Syria; Addad of Assyria, and Beddru of Japan.

In all of the Bible there is not a single mention of solstice, save one, and it's not associated with summer or winter but the recounting of a vicious slaughter. In the book of Joshua, chapter 10 verses 10-14, it is reported that the tribal deity of ancient Israel, called YHWH, caused the sun to stand still in Gibeon to give the Israelites the best opportunity to slaughter and annihilate, in broad daylight, an enemy tribe called the Amorites. Merry Christmas!

 

[Que]

Of course it is marketing. That is how you market a new religion to those that have one of their own already. You co-opt their traditions and rituals. Like in my example about the day of the dead.

And merry christmas to you and yours as well.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Easter has nothing to do with Passover. Nothing.

All of the symbols of Easter are taken directly from pagan fertility rites. Rabbits, eggs. Hell even the name "Easter" originated with the names of an ancient Goddess and God. The Venerable Bede, (672-735 CE), a Christian scholar, first asserted in his book De Ratione Temporum that Easter was named after Eostre (a.k.a. Eastre). She was the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe. Similarly, the "Teutonic dawn goddess of fertility known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostre, Eostur, Eastra, Eastur, Austron and Ausos." Her name was derived from the ancient word for spring: "eastre."

The celebration usually features a service at sunrise (pagan sun worship and strictly forbidden in the Bible (Ezekiel 8:15-18)), Rabbits, eggs ( both symbols of fertility), and hot cross buns which if you read Acts you know were sweet cakes baked for an idol (the Queen of Heaven). When the clergy couldn't stop their being made, they blessed them instead.

Easter is, like Christmas, an amalgamation of pagan celebrations folded into the Christian faith to attract the pagans to convert.

I'm disputing very little of what you are saying except that there is a connection between Easter and Passover. The former has no set date and is celebrated sometime between late March and the middle of April and the date depends on when Passover is celebrated in that same year.

Easter is a spring occasion, because that is the time of new beginnings, rather than an event set in summer. Fertility is related to spring because that is when planting of crops is done and animals are born.

 

[phrodeau]

Mark 14:1 After two days was the feast of the passover, and of unleavened bread: and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death.

2 But they said, Not on the feast day, lest there be an uproar of the people.

 

[nowisthetime]

Spell it right, please. Kwanzaa bothers right wingers because, gee, celebrating black positivity is such a bad thing.


Besides, it's not even widely celebrated and doesn't get in the way of Christmas. Right wingers love staying focused and obsessed with what black folk do.

And Ann Coulter is a bitch.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

I'm disputing very little of what you are saying except that there is a connection between Easter and Passover. The latter has no set date and is celebrated sometime between late March and the middle of April and the date depends on when Passover is celebrated in that same year.

Easter is a spring occasion, because that is the time of new beginnings, rather than an event set in summer. Fertility is related to spring because that is when planting of crops is done and animals are born.

Easter falls on the first Sunday following the full moon that occurs on or soonest after 21 March. Again, related to lunar cycles, not Passover in any way. Passover does have a set date (Passover commences on the 15th of the Hebrew month of Nisan and lasts for either seven days (in Israel) or eight days (in the diaspora)).

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Spell it right, please. Kwanzaa bothers right wingers because, gee, celebrating black positivity is such a bad thing.

Besides, it's not even widely celebrated and doesn't get in the way of Christmas. (White) Right wingers love staying focused and obsessed with what black folk do.

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Always and forever.

And Ann Coulter is a bitch.

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[Comshaw]

I'm not impressed with the American import of 'Trick or Treat' Halloween.

We English did very well with our arcane and secretive celebrations, dancing naked around a sacred fire. It cost nothing except a few goosepimples and a loss of dignity. Oh, and the gallons of warm beer.

But 'Trick or Treat' has become an expensive bonanza for retailers selling plastic crap for kids to wear while begging for sugary treats that make them hyperactive.

Avaunt foul Trick or Treaters! Or I'll turn you into toads!

Toad??? Toads??? I always thought it was newts!


Comshaw

 

[Sean Renaud]

Spell it right, please. Kwanzaa bothers right wingers because, gee, celebrating black positivity is such a bad thing.


Besides, it's not even widely celebrated and doesn't get in the way of Christmas. Right wingers love staying focused and obsessed with what black folk do.

And Ann Coulter is a bitch.

While I don't care about Kwanzaa much one way or the other, my aunt and her family celebrate it, my mother probably would but she knows nobody likes that side of the family enough to put up with them for Christmas much less for a fucking week. The amount of murder that would happen during that week is the kind of stuff they make slasher flicks about. My dad knew Ron Karenga and thought he was a jack ass so. . .yeah.

Personally I can take it or leave it. However I'm not right wing and I have a hard time looking at Kwanzaa as celebrating black positivity so much as blacks trying to be separate from American society and culture. There are plenty of not near Christmas time places to put it. (And it was originally meant to be a Christmas Alternative) I'm not big on dressing up in African garb because at the end of the day those garbs and words are tied to specific regions and tribes that likely have nothing to do with me.

However I can get down with black positivity and think we need more of it and in the case of Kwanzaa I think we would have had much more success, especially with how strongly Christian our community has a habit of being, if we'd picked a random week in the middle of the summer and done the same thing.

Coulter is a bitch, and the reality is that Kwanzaa has never achieved sufficient mainstreaming to really be worthy of any discussion outside the immediate community.

 

[Que]

While I don't care about Kwanzaa much one way or the other, my aunt and her family celebrate it, my mother probably would but she knows nobody likes that side of the family enough to put up with them for Christmas much less for a fucking week. The amount of murder that would happen during that week is the kind of stuff they make slasher flicks about. My dad knew Ron Karenga and thought he was a jack ass so. . .yeah.

Personally I can take it or leave it. However I'm not right wing and I have a hard time looking at Kwanzaa as celebrating black positivity so much as blacks trying to be separate from American society and culture. There are plenty of not near Christmas time places to put it. (And it was originally meant to be a Christmas Alternative) I'm not big on dressing up in African garb because at the end of the day those garbs and words are tied to specific regions and tribes that likely have nothing to do with me.

However I can get down with black positivity and think we need more of it and in the case of Kwanzaa I think we would have had much more success, especially with how strongly Christian our community has a habit of being, if we'd picked a random week in the middle of the summer and done the same thing.

Coulter is a bitch, and the reality is that Kwanzaa has never achieved sufficient mainstreaming to really be worthy of any discussion outside the immediate community.

Merry Christmas, Sean.

I found it interesting that it apparently is making some in-roads in parts of Africa. Be kind of like if American fortune cookies became popular in China,

 

[Sean Renaud]

Merry Christmas, Sean.

I found it interesting that it apparently is making some in-roads in parts of Africa. Be kind of like if American fortune cookies became popular in China,

Merry Christmas. Even if I'm really more a Happy Holidays sort of guy. I alternate almost hourly on if it's hypocritical of me to celebrate Christmas knowing it's tied to a myth or hypoticritical of Christians that they aren't both pissed that common sense says this isn't the holiday they should have (and the justification of stealing Pagan Holidays died with the Pagans) and even if it was that it's been so co-opted by me.

I'd find it interesting except I know the only family that I have that visit Africa are the Kwanzaa folk and it wouldn't surprise me to find out that's not uncommon. And perhaps in a century it will be a truly beautiful holiday or at least something on par with Hannukah or Chinese New Year or St. Patricks day. And again, I don't hate it, I can take it or leave it.

 

[Que]

Merry Christmas. Even if I'm really more a Happy Holidays sort of guy. I alternate almost hourly on if it's hypocritical of me to celebrate Christmas knowing it's tied to a myth or hypoticritical of Christians that they aren't both pissed that common sense says this isn't the holiday they should have (and the justification of stealing Pagan Holidays died with the Pagans) and even if it was that it's been so co-opted by me.

I'd find it interesting except I know the only family that I have that visit Africa are the Kwanzaa folk and it wouldn't surprise me to find out that's not uncommon. And perhaps in a century it will be a truly beautiful holiday or at least something on par with Hannukah or Chinese New Year or St. Patricks day. And again, I don't hate it, I can take it or leave it.

Well then, Seasons Greetings!

The couple of people I knew that gave a nod to it also celebrated Christmas. You are right that it was invented to supplant Christmas but I don't know that it ever got a foothold at that.

You can feel fine about Christmas. The Christians stole from the pagans, and completely co-opted it as a marketing ploy to make Christianity more attractive, and at this point the Secularists have pretty much co-opted the holiday from the Christians to market consumer products. I am certain that there are a lot of kids that have no idea what Santa has to do with Baby Jesus.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Well then, Seasons Greetings!

The couple of people I knew that gave a nod to it also celebrated Christmas. You are right that it was invented to supplant Christmas but I don't know that it ever got a foothold at that.

You can feel fine about Christmas. The Christians stole from the pagans, and completely co-opted it as a marketing ploy to make Christianity more attractive, and at this point the Secularists have pretty much co-opted the holiday from the Christians to market consumer products. I am certain that there are a lot of kids that have no idea what Santa has to do with Baby Jesus.

Seasons Greetings will do fine, and I'm not offended nor above withins you a Merry Christmas. I don't think it ever had a chance of supplanting Christmas and the closest I've seen to a family that doesn't celebrate Christmas didn't so much supplant it as they just combined the two.

Your definitely right about that, but then I have to go back to wondering why Christians don't find a better day to celebrate.

 

[Que]

Seasons Greetings will do fine, and I'm not offended nor above withins you a Merry Christmas. I don't think it ever had a chance of supplanting Christmas and the closest I've seen to a family that doesn't celebrate Christmas didn't so much supplant it as they just combined the two.

Your definitely right about that, but then I have to go back to wondering why Christians don't find a better day to celebrate.

Spring would make more sense as that is when lambs are born. The symbolism of that coincides with easter. He was both born and killed in the spring. Make more sense to combine the two events in a circle of life holiday that is ant-commercial and leave Santa for the pagans.

Early Christians had to hide their faith from the authorities that considered it subversive. Whether true or not, I was taught that they folded the celebration in with the already existing winter celebrations.

Of course with Africa being in the southern hemisphere it also makes sense to hold it in our spring as that is their fall. Needs to be big 30 pound Yams though. No maize in Africa, historically.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Spring would make more sense as that is when lambs are born. The symbolism of that coincides with easter. He was both born and killed in the spring. Make more sense to combine the two events in a circle of life holiday that is ant-commercial and leave Santa for the pagans.

Early Christians had to hide their faith from the authorities that considered it subversive. Whether true or not, I was taught that they folded the celebration in with the already existing winter celebrations.

Of course with Africa being in the southern hemisphere it also makes sense to hold it in our spring as that is their fall. Needs to be big 30 pound Yams though. No maize in Africa, historically.

Exactly. That makes way more sense than what is currently done. I don't know how anti-commercial I would make it just because I don't strictly feel like that's necessary. I think the Christmas holiday would remain the "true" commercial holiday (depending on your feelings about Valentines Day) and the worst you'd have to worry about with some combined holiday would be the Easter Bunny not dying but I view that no more harmful than gift giving on Hannukauh and Kwanzaa (which for the few that don't celebrate Christmas is how you rope the kids in) and celebrations that children have no interest in dont' tend to be long lived.

I was taught that Easter was one they hid that way but Christmas was more or less a full on take over. It wasn't about hiding your religion it was about "meeting the others" halfway if you will.

I'm less than concerned about what food they eat to be honest.

 

[oggbashan]

Toad??? Toads??? I always thought it was newts!


Comshaw

Newts are a protected species. Turning someone into a newt means they have to be left alone.

But Toads? Few people like toads. Unlike newts, they aren't pretty.

I like them. My toads help keep my garden slug-free.