Cruz slightly less likeable than Hillary?

[Boxlicker101]

Ted Cruz Vows To Sell Off Or Give Away Nevada’s Public Lands

Cruz is a ..... DICK!

Quote:

In a controversial new TV ad aiming to sway conservative caucus-goers in Nevada but likely to backfire with mainstream voters, Presidential hopeful Ted Cruz (R-TX) vows to sell-off or give away the state’s national parks, national forests, national monuments, and other public lands.

“If you trust me with your vote,” says Cruz in the ad, “I will fight day and night to return full control of Nevada’s lands to its rightful owners, its citizens.”




Cruz will get the Bundy vote for sure.

I really don't believe he was referring to national parks etc. Grazing lands, which the feds lease to ranchers probably should be controlled by the states or sold to the ranchers.

How about showing the actual ad instead of citing somebody who might or might not be telling the truth?

And, FWIW, I consider Cruz to be almost as bad as Trump, and I will probably not vote for either of the two.

 

[JackLuis]

I really don't believe he was referring to national parks etc. Grazing lands, which the feds lease to ranchers probably should be controlled by the states or sold to the ranchers.

How about showing the actual ad instead of citing somebody who might or might not be telling the truth?

And, FWIW, I consider Cruz to be almost as bad as Trump, and I will probably not vote for either of the two.

You have to click on the underlined title Box, there you will find the article and the Ad.

I do this so Jaychuck and Ru don't hoist me on pilot's petard.

 

[Boxlicker101]

You have to click on the underlined title Box, there you will find the article and the Ad.

I do this so Jaychuck and Ru don't hoist me on pilot's petard.

Okay, I have heard the ad. There is no reference to national parks etc. I don't believe he is referring to such places; I believe he is referring to those lands used for grazing, etc. which are at the center of the beef with Cliven Bundy and others. This should have been clarified, and perhaps has been by now.

ETA: Here is more about amendments Cruz has supported.
http://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=1502

This would limit federal ownership of land, but would not require the sale or transfer of national parks.

 

[JackLuis]

Okay, I have heard the ad. There is no reference to national parks etc. I don't believe he is referring to such places; I believe he is referring to those lands used for grazing, etc. which are at the center of the beef with Cliven Bundy and others. This should have been clarified, and perhaps has been by now.

Cruz is still a .... Dick though.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Cruz is still a .... Dick though.

I agree with that, but I prefer honesty in campaigns.

 

[JackLuis]

I agree with that, but I prefer honesty in campaigns.

I was just quoting the Liberal media.

Did you see the new poll that says Hillary would lose to Ted Fucking Cruz?

I mean the presumptive candidate lost to a BLACK MAN eight years ago and now she trails Fucking Cruz?

 

[about_average]

Ted Cruz Vows To Sell Off Or Give Away Nevada’s Public Lands

What a dick. I knew Cruz was an idiot, but this is a new low.

 

[Boxlicker101]

First...I dont hoist or petard...

Second...Hillary is a bad candidate. I'm not talking about her politics...just her ability to relate to people. Ugh...it's painful to watch her. She doesn't inspire anyone. She can't relate to normal people. Her supporters are behind her because they want something from her...that's it.

Cruz maybe a dick...I get that. But his supporters believe in him. Once Jeb, John and Ben get out of the race, their support will go to Cruz or Rubio...not Trump. Then we'll have a race.

Like him or not...he is consistently underrated.

Silly Hilly may be a bad candidate but, apparently, she has won in NV. https://www.yahoo.com/politics/live-blog-south-carolina-gop-primary-and-nevada-211903661.html

Here is more detail: https://www.google.com/search?sourc....0.9luxoz8grpQ#eob=m.059_c/D/2/short/m.059_c/

 

[about_average]

I really don't believe he was referring to national parks etc.

He said "full control of Nevada's land. That would include national parks and forests.
If people in Nevada don't like the land being owned by the federal government they shouldn't have moved there. It's like people moving to the country then bitching about tractors on the roads.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Hillary won. It was ugly, but she got the W, and before the primary it looked like Bernie might squeak out a win.

Couple of points though...
1. Bernie did well among minorities...especially hispanics. That's big for his campaign.
2. Media is reporting that Hillary is running out of money. Hard to believe, but if she's low on cash..that'll hurt. Bernie's got tons of cash.
3. Her margin of victory wasn't that large. To date: She hasn't had a breakaway win.

It's also nice that the democrats have a primary. Kinda cute, actually. Because the cake is already baked for Hillary. She wins...no matter what. Super-delegates, baby. Only the democratic party would cry about voter disenfranchisement....and then disenfranchise their own voters!!

Example:http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...-new-hampshire-victory-wasn-t-so-huge-n516066

This was a caucus, not a primary election. The former is an all day event, and Bernie will do well in them because his supporters are younger and more fanatical. They are also more likely to be students or unemployed, and have the time for the involvement. In a primary, people simply go to the polls, vote and go home, or wherever, much like they do in a general election.

 

[Boxlicker101]

He said "full control of Nevada's land. That would include national parks and forests.
If people in Nevada don't like the land being owned by the federal government they shouldn't have moved there. It's like people moving to the country then bitching about tractors on the roads.

Do you have any proof of that? Otherwise, see my Post 88, which has some links to what has actually been done and said.

 

[Wrong Element]

Cruz maybe a dick...I get that. But his supporters believe in him. Once Jeb, John and Ben get out of the race, their support will go to Cruz or Rubio...not Trump. Then we'll have a race.

Like him or not...he is consistently underrated.

I think he's been underrated for much of the campaign, but finishing third in a Bible-thumping state like South Carolina is not good news at all. He succeeded in Iowa because he had the superior organization, but retail politics is over. Where does he win now, aside from Texas?

What Cruz really needs now is for Carson to leave the race, but running for president is Carson's job at this point, so there's no incentive for him to get out.

I'm also not sure I agree that "anyone but Trump" will inherit the support of the departed candidates. There's a logic to that, but the bottom line is that a lot of candidates have already left, and Trump hasn't seemed to be hurt at all.

Even if we assume Rubio inherits two-thirds of the Bush supporters -- and that's being generous -- Bush has been running around 5 percent in the national polls. Rubio will need more than that to seriously challenge Trump, and the longer he goes without winning, the harder it gets to imagine him starting to win. And I doubt Kasich is getting out prior to the Ohio primary, which isn't till March 15. By mid-March, Trump could have a lead that's almost mathematically impossible to overcome.

 

[JackLuis]

Chuck Todd deflates Ted Cruz’s SC victory delusion: ‘Wait a minute, you finished third’

Speaking on Meet the Press, Cruz explained that his third place finish was an “incredible evening” for the campaign.

“There is now only one strong conservative in this race who can win,” Cruz opined. “We see conservatives continuing to unite behind our campaign.”

“Our campaign is the only campaign that has beaten Donald Trump, and that can beat Donald Trump,” he continued. “So, what we’re seeing is Republicans coming to us in incredible numbers.”

“Wait a minute,” Todd interrupted. “You finished third in a state with the highest evangelical turnout that we’ve seen yet. And you finished third!”

Todd concluded by asking the senator if he expected to win his home state of Texas.

“I love Texas,” Cruz replied. “We believe we’re going to do very well.”

Yeah Texas should be interesting in that Texas knows Teddy boy well.

 

[Misspuss]

Cruz is that kid in high school nobody really likes, so he gets involved in student government but he is still not liked...just known.

I can't stomach Cruz. I despise everything about him...his greasy hair and skin...his "preacher like" way of talking, how he lies about everything....how he gives a speech as if he's won, yet comes in third place!

I don't know how he even got this far!

 

[Boxlicker101]

Making things even more difficult is the fact that there is some doubt that Cruz is even eligible for the office. He is known to have been born in Canada and the parental connection to the US might not be strong enough.

ETA: Here are some details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz

If I were seated on SCOTUS, I would have a very hard time considering him to be a native born citizen.

Early life and family

Ted Cruz was born on December 22, 1970,[6][7] at Foothills General Hospital[8][9] in Calgary, Alberta, to parents Eleanor Elizabeth (Darragh) Wilson and Rafael Bienvenido Cruz.[10][11][12] At the time of his birth, Cruz's parents had lived in Calgary for three years and were working in the oil business as owners of a seismic-data processing firm for oil drilling.[11][13][14][15][16] Cruz has said, “I’m the son of two mathematicians/computer programmers.”[17] In 1974, his father left the family and moved to Texas.[18] Later that same year, his parents reconciled and relocated to Houston.[8]

 

[BotanyBoy]

Making things even more difficult is the fact that there is some doubt that Cruz is even eligible for the office. He is known to have been born in Canada and the parental connection to the US might not be strong enough.

ETA: Here are some details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz

If I were seated on SCOTUS, I would have a very hard time considering him to be a native born citizen.

Early life and family

Ted Cruz was born on December 22, 1970,[6][7] at Foothills General Hospital[8][9] in Calgary, Alberta, to parents Eleanor Elizabeth (Darragh) Wilson and Rafael Bienvenido Cruz.[10][11][12] At the time of his birth, Cruz's parents had lived in Calgary for three years and were working in the oil business as owners of a seismic-data processing firm for oil drilling.[11][13][14][15][16] Cruz has said, “I’m the son of two mathematicians/computer programmers.”[17] In 1974, his father left the family and moved to Texas.[18] Later that same year, his parents reconciled and relocated to Houston.[8]

Soooooooo then all the kids born to American parents not in the US are illegal immigrants then??

I'm pretty fuckin' sure they aren't....and under the law if one of Cruz'z parents was a US citizen he could have been born on fucking Mars and still been a natural born citizen.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Soooooooo then all the kids born to American parents not in the US are illegal immigrants then??

I'm pretty fuckin' sure they aren't....and under the law if one of Cruz'z parents was a US citizen he could have been born on fucking Mars and still been a natural born citizen.

If the parents are out of the country temporarily as tourists or on business or in the US military or for other reasons, their offspring are considered US citizens. Cruz's parents had been in Canada and owned a business for three years before his birth and for another four years after he was born. I would want to look into whether or not they had intended to become Canadian citizens or not. If so, that would be the end of it; if not, I would have strong misgivings.

I mean, at what point does "temporary" end and "permanent" begin?

 

[Wrong Element]

If the parents are out of the country temporarily as tourists or on business or in the US military or for other reasons, their offspring are considered US citizens. Cruz's parents had been in Canada and owned a business for three years before his birth and for another four years after he was born. I would want to look into whether or not they had intended to become Canadian citizens or not. If so, that would be the end of it; if not, I would have strong misgivings.

I mean, at what point does "temporary" end and "permanent" begin?

Cruz's father did become a Canadian citizen -- in fact, it's only been fairly recently that he became an American citizen. I believe he was here legally based on his political refugee status.

What I'm not sure of is whether his mother ever became a Canadian citizen too (or might have become one automatically by virtue of being married to a citizen), but it's undisputed that she was born in the United States.

I obviously have no use for Cruz, but I continue to think that given the ambiguity here -- and there are some non-crackpots who do believe he does not fit the strictest definition of "natural born citizen" -- this really should be a case where the people are allowed to decide for themselves how significant this all is.

 

[BotanyBoy]

If the parents are out of the country temporarily as tourists or on business or in the US military or for other reasons, their offspring are considered US citizens. Cruz's parents had been in Canada and owned a business for three years before his birth and for another four years after he was born. I would want to look into whether or not they had intended to become Canadian citizens or not. If so, that would be the end of it; if not, I would have strong misgivings.

I mean, at what point does "temporary" end and "permanent" begin?

They were there working oil fields....they are still US citizens guy.

No it would not be the end of it, lots of Americans hold dual citizenship and I doubt you could prove they were intending to relinquish their US citizenship.

What misgivings? The law is pretty clear... US parent = US kid, worldwide.

I obviously have no use for Cruz, but I continue to think that given the ambiguity here -- and there are some non-crackpots who do believe he does not fit the strictest definition of "natural born citizen" -- this really should be a case where the people are allowed to decide for themselves how significant this all is.

The 'strictest' definition means fuck all....the legal definition says he's a natural born citizen.

If republicans really don't like it that much they should change it.

 

[sr71plt]

If what was meant was that the person had to be born on U.S. soil, the Constitution could have and should have said that. It doesn't. The wording goes pretty directly to being born of a U.S. citizen and not renouncing U.S. citizenship (which, yes, can be dual with another country) upon reaching a majority. Were either of Cruz' parents U.S. citizens when he was born (no matter where he was born)? Did he renounce his U.S. citizenship when he turned 18? If yes (a parent aa U.S. citizen) and then no (didn't renounce his citizenship rights), I don't see an issue.

I don't see why anyone not related to him by blood could stand to be anywhere near him or would want him as an elected official, though.

 

[Boxlicker101]

They were there working oil fields....they are still US citizens guy.

No it would not be the end of it, lots of Americans hold dual citizenship and I doubt you could prove they were intending to relinquish their US citizenship.

What misgivings? The law is pretty clear... US parent = US kid, worldwide.



The 'strictest' definition means fuck all....the legal definition says he's a natural born citizen.

If republicans really don't like it that much they should change it.

They were not contract laborers; they owned a company in Canada. I believe, although I don't know for sure, they were permanent residents of Canada. I also don't know for sure if they had renounced their Cuban and American citizenship.

A change in the law would require a Constitutional amendment.

t

 

[Wrong Element]

The 'strictest' definition means fuck all....the legal definition says he's a natural born citizen.

If republicans really don't like it that much they should change it.

The issue is that there isn't a legal definition of whether he's "natural born," or even whatever the hell that means, or what the framers thought it should mean.

I agree that since Cruz was never naturalized, that would seem to imply he was natural born. But there is a non-crazy body of thought suggesting that the framers did not mean for someone of Cruz's status to be considered to be a citizen at birth.

Like I said above, this is not something I'm going to go to war over. I personally think the "natural born" clause has outlived whatever usefulness it may have had when the country was brand new.

 

[sr71plt]

They were not contract laborers; they owned a company in Canada. I believe, although I don't know for sure, they were permanent residents of Canada. I also don't know for sure if they had renounced their Cuban and American citizenship.

A change in the law would require a Constitutional amendment.

t

A change in the law from what to what, Box? Do you not understand that the Constitution doesn't define "natural-born citizen" as being born on U.S. soil? If it had meant that, that's what it could have said. It doesn't say that. A natural-born citizen being someone born to U.S. citizens is the clearest understanding of what was written in the Constitution. What you than have to discern is the status of the parents at birth and then what, if anything, the person himself did regarding his status when he came of legal age. (I've been through this with three siblings--all unquestionably American citizens no matter where they were born.)

 

[BotanyBoy]

The issue is that there isn't a legal definition of whether he's "natural born," or even whatever the hell that means, or what the framers thought it should mean.

I agree that since Cruz was never naturalized, that would seem to imply he was natural born. But there is a non-crazy body of thought suggesting that the framers did not mean for someone of Cruz's status to be considered to be a citizen at birth.

Like I said above, this is not something I'm going to go to war over. I personally think the "natural born" clause has outlived whatever usefulness it may have had when the country was brand new.

I agree it's outlived it.

But US citizens kids have always been considered natural born citizens. Millions of us have been born not on US soil but to parents that are. Cruz included.

 

[about_average]

Do you have any proof of that? Otherwise, see my Post 88, which has some links to what has actually been done and said.

It's in the video that was linked to.
Now, he may decide he doesn't really mean it, or he may back track and change it to "partial control of Nevada's land" or "full control of some of Nevada's land" but as of that ad he said all of the federal land.