Democrat Lets The Cat Out Of The Bag

[KingOrfeo]

Libbies see everyone else's money to spend everywhere.

And it is everywhere -- isn't it?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

"We know that the number of government jobs has been increasing steadily, and that the number of applicants is increasing still more rapidly than the number of jobs. … Is this scourge about to come to an end? How can we believe it, when we see that public opinion itself wants to have everything done by that fictitious being, the state, which signifies a collection of salaried bureaucrats? … Very soon there will be two or three of these bureaucrats around every Frenchman, one to prevent him from working too much, another to give him an education, a third to furnish him credit, a fourth to interfere with his business transactions, etc., etc. Where will we be led by the illusion that impels us to believe that the state is a person who has an inexhaustible fortune independent of ours?

What class does not solicit the favors of the state? It would seem as if the principle of life resided in it. Aside from the innumerable horde of its own agents, agriculture, manufacturing, commerce, the arts, the theatre, the colonies, and the shipping industry expect everything from it. They want it to clear and irrigate land, to colonize, to teach, and even to amuse. Each begs a bounty, a subsidy, an incentive, and especially the gratuitous gift of certain services, such as education and credit. And why not ask the state for the gratuitous gift of all services? Why not require the state to provide all the citizens with food, drink, clothing, and shelter free of charge?

... under the name of the state the citizens taken collectively are considered as a real being, having its own life, its own wealth, independently of the lives and the wealth of the citizens themselves; and then each addresses this fictitious being, some to obtain from it education, others employment, others credit, others food, etc., etc. Now the state can give nothing to the citizens that it has not first taken from them.
Frédéric Bastiat

 

[Bry1313]

Most tea partiers have never actually read the constitution, and it's always fun to hear about Republicans say they are for limited government, when it's been shown that government grows much faster under GOP administrations the last 30 years than under Dem.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Most tea partiers have never actually read the constitution, and it's always fun to hear about Republicans say they are for limited government, when it's been shown that government grows much faster under GOP administrations the last 30 years than under Dem.

And you know that because a lot of your best friends are Tea Partiers, of course...


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Why can't Liberals (, Blue Dogs and Republican moderates) stomach the Tea Party?
Because it requires a strong Constitution!
A_J, the Stupid

 

[Ishmael]

And you know that because a lot of your best friends are Tea Partiers, of course...


__________________
Why can't Liberals (, Blue Dogs and Republican moderates) stomach the Tea Party?
Because it requires a strong Constitution!
A_J, the Stupid

*chuckle*

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Some of my best friends are black and they all vote Republican!

 

[miles]

Originally Posted by Bry1313 View Post
Most tea partiers have never actually read the constitution

I'm sure you can prove that as a fact.

 

[Bry1313]

"We know that the number of government jobs has been increasing steadily, and that the number of applicants is increasing still more rapidly than the number of jobs. … Is this scourge about to come to an end? How can we believe it, when we see that public opinion itself wants to have everything done by that fictitious being, the state, which signifies a collection of salaried bureaucrats? … Very soon there will be two or three of these bureaucrats around every Frenchman, one to prevent him from working too much, another to give him an education, a third to furnish him credit, a fourth to interfere with his business transactions, etc., etc. Where will we be led by the illusion that impels us to believe that the state is a person who has an inexhaustible fortune independent of ours?

What class does not solicit the favors of the state? It would seem as if the principle of life resided in it. Aside from the innumerable horde of its own agents, agriculture, manufacturing, commerce, the arts, the theatre, the colonies, and the shipping industry expect everything from it. They want it to clear and irrigate land, to colonize, to teach, and even to amuse. Each begs a bounty, a subsidy, an incentive, and especially the gratuitous gift of certain services, such as education and credit. And why not ask the state for the gratuitous gift of all services? Why not require the state to provide all the citizens with food, drink, clothing, and shelter free of charge?

... under the name of the state the citizens taken collectively are considered as a real being, having its own life, its own wealth, independently of the lives and the wealth of the citizens themselves; and then each addresses this fictitious being, some to obtain from it education, others employment, others credit, others food, etc., etc. Now the state can give nothing to the citizens that it has not first taken from them.
Frédéric Bastiat

Government jobs have been increasing? Can you let me know what government employment was when the Sharia socialist was inaugurated and what it is now?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

*chuckle*


How much smaller is it now?

 

[Bry1313]

Originally Posted by Bry1313 View Post
Most tea partiers have never actually read the constitution

I'm sure you can prove that as a fact.

I'll start proving all my assertions as facts the day you do as well.

 

[miles]

I'll start proving all my assertions as facts the day you do as well.

Douche bag.

 

[Bry1313]

*chuckle*


How much smaller is it now?

http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/governments/cb14-40.html

*chuckle*

 

[Bry1313]

Douche bag.

Wow, you know words hurt. Seriously, that was really cruel.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I'll prove one for you, and it involves the Left's use of semantic gymnastics:

So what are the facts? It depends on whether you’re looking at the federal workforce or the total government workforce.

The number of federal employees has risen under President Obama. There were 2,790,000 federal workers in January 2009 when the president took office, and now there are 2,804,000 workers. The fact is that there is no month during President Obama’s term when the federal workforce was smaller than it was in the first month of Mr. Obama’s presidency. The president took over in January 2009. Every month after January 2009 has seen more federal workers than were employed in January 2009.

Moreover, there are more federal workers under President Obama than there were under President Bush. This is clear from the chart below.

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/09/has-government-employment-really-increased-under-obama/

On the other hand, total government employment — federal plus state and local — has fallen significantly under President Obama after rising significantly under President Bush. Here’s the picture:

States had to tighten their belts. The Federal Government just turned to the Fed.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I beat you to it.

The headline says: Federal, State and Local Government Employment Down

Federal is up. It is only by fuzzing in other governments that you can make the case that Obama is slimming down government while adding thousands of pages of new regulations which somebody is going to have to oversee...

But his economy forced the states to do more with less.

 

[Bry1313]

I beat you to it.

The headline says: Federal, State and Local Government Employment Down

Federal is up. It is only by fuzzing in other governments that you can make the case that Obama is slimming down government while adding thousands of pages of new regulations which somebody is going to have to oversee...

But his economy forced the states to do more with less.

Civilian fed employment is up by 0.5%, but if you include military, it's down. How much did federal employment grow under the limited government policies of the previous GOP regime?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Civilian fed employment is up by 0.5%, but if you include military, it's down. How much did federal employment grow under the limited government policies of the previous GOP regime?

Look, if you want to change the argument, go ahead.

I blasted Bush on most of his domestic policy and spending then, the same as I do now.

The only difference that I have seen in the two administrations is how quickly the Dems changed position to defend now what they used to decry then and how they make such bumper-sticker pronouncements such as Obama Shrank Government. When that turns out to be untrue, then it's straight to Bush and Republican Hypocrisy. But I'm a Libertarian.

Here's something from another Libertarian from that time:

I bitched about Bush for six years, and through all that time the Republicans on this board never trashed me the way the Democrats do now that "their guy" is "in charge."

They were angry when Bush was President, but they seem even more angry now that Obama is President.

Maybe it's just disappointment.

 

[Bry1313]

Look, if you want to change the argument, go ahead.

I blasted Bush on most of his domestic policy and spending then, the same as I do now.

The only difference that I have seen in the two administrations is how quickly the Dems changed position to defend now what they used to decry then and how they make such bumper-sticker pronouncements such as Obama Shrank Government. When that turns out to be untrue, then it's straight to Bush and Republican Hypocrisy. But I'm a Libertarian.

Here's something from another Libertarian from that time:

I'm not changing the argument. You and others keep talking about explosive growth in government under the Sharia socialist. The facts don't support that. But then facts don't matter to you.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I'm not changing the argument. You and others keep talking about explosive growth in government under the Sharia socialist. The facts don't support that. But then facts don't matter to you.

Where did I say that?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Didn't Obama and his charges just spend the last week trying to convince us how much they've grown the VA?

 

[Bry1313]

Where did I say that?

In this very thread you quoted an article that said government employment has been steadily increasing.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

In this very thread you quoted an article that said government employment has been steadily increasing.

Bastiat died in 1850...





... in France.

 

[Ishmael]

http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/governments/cb14-40.html

*chuckle*

Federal government employment has GROWN by 123,000 jobs (6.2%) during the Obama administration. State and local government jobs have fallen by 635,000. So when you lump them together you see a net decrease. But that only obscures the fact that this administration has grown federal employment by 6.2%

Ishmael

 

[IrezumiKiss]

*chuckle*

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

What's the regulatory growth?




That's where most of the damage is done to the economy; that tendency to try and manage an economy from the top...


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