Disaster in the Making

[Rightguide]

Iran is going nuclear. I doubt they care.

They're economy is in the process of collapsing, they care.

 

[Conager]

It is interesting though that Frodo doesn't seem to care that I Ron is reducing its carbon footprint. I guess it only matters that Americans do so.

 

[dagdag]

Reports are that the SDF - Syrian Defense Forces - made up of Kurdish, Arab, Assyrian/Syriac, Armenian, Turkmen and Chechen milita, are the primary safe keepers of the oil fields at issue, with the full support of the USA, of course. The SDF also allied with the USA in the 5-month long investigation into the exact whereabouts of the recently self-exploded Daesh head, al-Baghdadi (although it is said his literal head was still attached, or at least in the near vicinity, allowing certain biometric and DNA ID).

If you recall, the SDF was specifically created as the US ally in Syria, after the Libya and Benghazi fiascos leaked tons of US arms and equipment into Syria, among seemingly countless jihadi entities including Daesh itself. As shown above, the SDF is made up of a coalition of different folks, all with being anti-Assad in common. The SDF is America's only relevant ally in Syria, and it is armed to the teeth with American-furnished weaponry, backed-up with American intel and logistics.

Many dumbasses, as is plainly evident throughout this thread, whine about the USA abandoning their allies "the Kurds" to "genocide" by Turkey, when, in fact, the SDK is as strong as its ever been before in Syria.

And now it controls that oil. Which obviously means even more badass goodies from America are already in the pipeline.

Not to refute your points, but adding; Their leader is Ferhat Abdi Şahin, better known as Mazloum Kobani!!! He has an Interpol warrant. Simply put; another terrorist. We are using him until his services are no longer needed. Although, fighting one terrorist group, utilizing another is also creating problems of its own.

I am guessing that once Daesh is cleansed, Esad would be left to worry about Kobani.

 

[suurfer]

SO WHAT'S THE STORY WITH THE OIL FIELDS?

I'm out of the loop, but I just read the news and everybody's talking as if Syria were a pie which they can slice or not slice, as they please.

 

[Conager]

Berlin was.

 

[Rightguide]

SO WHAT'S THE STORY WITH THE OIL FIELDS?

I'm out of the loop, but I just read the news and everybody's talking as if Syria were a pie which they can slice or not slice, as they please.

The story is Iran isn't getting it.

 

[suurfer]

^

The other piece of news:

US's RECOGNITION OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE


Of course it was long due,of course it's related to Turkey's invasion of Syria. (Whether it might prevent or not the inevitable crimes of an invading army... who knows.)

But the current state of Washington politics are of such nature, that one starts to doubt any good decision, and ask:
-- Was it driven by a genuine thoughtfulness and support for those on the ground?
-- Or by self-interest, a pre-electoral 'let's stick it to Trump'.

Pretty good way of asking all these questions, by Rick Sanchez:
https://www.rt.com/shows/news-with-rick-sanchez/472257-news-with-rick-sanchez-october/

 

[bellisarius]

^

The other piece of news:

US's RECOGNITION OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE


Of course it was long due,of course it's related to Turkey's invasion of Syria. (Whether it might prevent or not the inevitable crimes of an invading army... who knows.)

But the current state of Washington politics are of such nature, that one starts to doubt any good decision, and ask:
-- Was it driven by a genuine thoughtfulness and support for those on the ground?
-- Or by self-interest, a pre-electoral 'let's stick it to Trump'.

Pretty good way of asking all these questions, by Rick Sanchez:
https://www.rt.com/shows/news-with-rick-sanchez/472257-news-with-rick-sanchez-october/

So congress voted on a resolution concerning an event that happened over a 100 years ago. Absolutely meaningless crap. It benefits no one. And lest we forget, the Armenians aren't exactly blameless. They're still causing problems. Check out the civil war in Azerbaijan.

The entire region is a cesspool of internecine conflicts and I see no sign of that changing at anytime in the near future.

 

[Conager]

Any Kurds left after the genocidal "disaster" that occured by pulling 50 troops out?

You know if we spread our troops around correctly 50 at a time we should be able to prevent all the genocidal activity, worldwide, shouldn't we?

 

[bellisarius]

Yeah buddy. let's send 50 over to Xinjiang.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Innocents raped with napalm fire
Twenty-first century schizoid man
Death seed, blind man's greed
Poets starving, children bleed
Nothing he's got he really needs

 

[suurfer]

And lest we forget, the Armenians aren't exactly blameless. They're still causing problems. Check out the civil war in Azerbaijan.
The entire region is a cesspool of internecine conflicts and I see no sign of that changing at anytime in the near future.

I always thought that Armenians were in the right. (mind you, I don't know History) And I still think so.
--But you could be right.
The very very slow process of international recognition, as opposed to the swift recognition of the Greek genocide, might suggest that indeed, things aren't as clearcut.

So congress voted on a resolution concerning an event that happened over a 100 years ago. Absolutely meaningless crap.

Re recognition of the genocide right now:
I keep going back and forth if it would have been a good maneuver or not.
Such a hasty, clear anti-Turkey partisan political move can have repercussions. But it might also keep Turks in check: YPG or not, they still invaded a sovereign country..
--- But my logic applies only if the resolution would have been passed by a neutral party or countries like India, Polland or whatever.

But it being hastily passed by US politicians?
To me, it looks both outrageous and stupid.
-- Outrageous and hypocritical, because the US contributed to the mess too, and the current pro-/ante Trump fights aren't a good look either.
-- Stupid, because these resolutions aren't passed overnight through votes of politicians like AOC. They need to read history and all the documents first.

America is perhaps the greatest country in the world, but unfortunately, your politicians keep embarassing you.

 

[Rightguide]

Innocents raped with napalm fire
Twenty-first century schizoid man
Death seed, blind man's greed
Poets starving, children bleed
Nothing he's got he really needs

Is your nose a Longfellow too?

 

[Rightguide]

So congress voted on a resolution concerning an event that happened over a 100 years ago. Absolutely meaningless crap. It benefits no one. And lest we forget, the Armenians aren't exactly blameless. They're still causing problems. Check out the civil war in Azerbaijan.

The entire region is a cesspool of internecine conflicts and I see no sign of that changing at anytime in the near future.

Democrats are so relevant, aren't they?

 

[suurfer]

Crikey.
Watching The chair of the US House of Representatives proudly bang the hammer re passing the resolution,
and then the hundreds members cheering,
looked like the Idiocracy State of America.

Can people like AOC even Find Armenia on a map?
Let alone vote at such short notice, without the necessary research.

 

[suurfer]

What a bunch of goofs...

They sit on their asses all day engaging in emotional tirades,
yet they feel like such heroes for passing the resolution.

Nevermind that US too (alongside other superpowers) contributed to the mess.

 

[dagdag]

I always thought that Armenians were in the right. (mind you, I don't know History) And I still think so.
--But you could be right.
The very very slow process of international recognition, as opposed to the swift recognition of the Greek genocide, might suggest that indeed, things aren't as clearcut.




Re recognition of the genocide right now:
I keep going back and forth if it would have been a good maneuver or not.
Such a hasty, clear anti-Turkey partisan political move can have repercussions. But it might also keep Turks in check: YPG or not, they still invaded a sovereign country..
--- But my logic applies only if the resolution would have been passed by a neutral party or countries like India, Polland or whatever.

But it being hastily passed by US politicians?
To me, it looks both outrageous and stupid.
-- Outrageous and hypocritical, because the US contributed to the mess too, and the current pro-/ante Trump fights aren't a good look either.
-- Stupid, because these resolutions aren't passed overnight through votes of politicians like AOC. They need to read history and all the documents first.

America is perhaps the greatest country in the world, but unfortunately, your politicians keep embarassing you.

- Armenian diaspora brainwashed with their own church. Hating Turks/Ottomans for what happened to them is putting flaws in their decision making process. They need to wake up and smell the coffee.
- Armenia currently occupying 20-25% of his neighboring Azerbaijan is not very promising either. Claiming genocide about 100 years ago while they committed massacres in Khojaly only 25-30 years ago doesn't look well either. Unless the lives of certain ethnicity is more valuable then the others. It was a war stupid! Land were for grabs from the failing Ottoman Empire. Armenians couldn't succeed in carving land like the other countries in the Balkans, Africa or the middle east...
- Armenian positions are putting hurdles in front of our business interests.

Recognition of genocide by politicians is a political act against not only for Turkey but also against Trump. They should not be involved in legislating history. It doesn't look good. Sanctions made more sense, but it is another act against Trump.

Historical perspective has differing opinions on the issue. Activists mostly Armenians consider the word genocide at large diluting it's meaning to mean massacre. However, legal scholars look at the word at it's legal definition. You can't have a genocide since the UN had that coined in 1940s where as the events took in place in WW1. It would be similar to an officer giving you a citation for speeding today for what you did last week!!! There was no speeding limit at the time but here you go An ex post facto law!!! Constitution forbids that for a reason...

 

[phrodeau]

Maybe the Senate will get off their asses and denounce the resolution. Ha.

 

[Rightguide]

Maybe the Senate will get off their asses and denounce the resolution. Ha.

All it does is "officially" ratify the removal of the minority rights to due process.

 

[suurfer]

Armenian diaspora brainwashed with their own church. Hating Turks/Ottomans for what happened to them is putting flaws in their decision making process. They need to wake up and smell the coffee.
- Armenia currently occupying 20-25% of his neighboring Azerbaijan is not very promising either. Claiming genocide about 100 years ago while they committed massacres in Khojaly only 25-30 years ago doesn't look well either. Unless the lives of certain ethnicity is more valuable then the others. It was a war stupid! Land were for grabs from the failing Ottoman Empire. Armenians couldn't succeed in carving land like the other countries in the Balkans, Africa or the middle east...
- Armenian positions are putting hurdles in front of our business interests.

Recognition of genocide by politicians is a political act against not only for Turkey but also against Trump. They should not be involved in legislating history. It doesn't look good. Sanctions made more sense, but it is another act against Trump.

Historical perspective has differing opinions on the issue. Activists mostly Armenians consider the word genocide at large diluting it's meaning to mean massacre. However, legal scholars look at the word at it's legal definition. You can't have a genocide since the UN had that coined in 1940s where as the events took in place in WW1. It would be similar to an officer giving you a citation for speeding today for what you did last week!!! There was no speeding limit at the time but here you go An ex post facto law!!! Constitution forbids that for a reason...

I'll have to do some reading, but still: while I suspect the 1.5 millions is a gross exaggeration, I still believe that the Armenian genocide isn't a myth.
But good point re the highlighted part.
And how come corporate massmedia doesn't pay as much attention to the Khojaly massacre, while going on and on about the one 100 years ago? What's their interest?

They should not be involved in legislating history. It doesn't look good. .

Yup. I might borrow this expression, actually.
Seeing all those politicians who know yadda about History, opportunistically vote on the genocide was too ludicrous for words.

 

[Rightguide]

Has the disaster arrived yet, just askin'.

 

[suurfer]

It's getting nasty.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakarova just accused the US of violating its own anti-Syrian sanctions by smuggling oil from oil fields.

She also said that each month, the US smuggles crude worth $30 million from Syrian oil fields, out of Syria.

 

[Rightguide]

Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakarova just accused the US of violating its own anti-Syrian sanctions by smuggling oil from oil fields.

She also said that each month, the US smuggles crude worth $30 million from Syrian oil fields, out of Syria.

Probably Russian BS.

 

[suurfer]

Probably Russian BS.

Hey.

 

[Aglaopheme]

https://www****daw.net/english/world/28102019

Dozens of civilians, including several children, have been left severely injured following the reported use of the incendiary chemical in Turkey’s offensive in northern Syria, which began October 9.

Mohammed Hamid, 13, was left with burns to 70 percent of his body following an attack on the town of Sari Kani (Ras al-Ain) amid fierce fighting between Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) and Turkish-backed Syrian militias.

Doctors in the city of Tel Tamr have treated at least a dozen people with burns consistent with a white phosphorus attack.

The UN Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) has launched an investigation into the suspected chemical attack on Kurdish civilians, although many have speculated that Turkey is to blame.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...-grows-of-chemical-attacks-on-kurds-72zx9ss87