Disaster in the Making

[seeshelly]

I love it

You are connecting invisible dots...

What a perfect way to describe all of the absurd libtard "logic" - connecting invisible dots! I love it!

 

[dagdag]

N. Barzani (Northern Iraq Kurdish leader more specifically IKRG President Nechirvan Barzani) "Turkey has no problem with Kurds in Syria" said just yesterday!

"Turkey has a problem with PKK, not with Kurds in Syria. Our only wish is that Kurds keep their distance with PKK. The PKK terror group wants to legitimize itself by using Syrian Kurds and the situation, unfortunately, has come to this point today"

Excerpt from the MERI panel.

^^^ "Immediate gratification" is a telltale trait of first-generation boomers.

Why not ask a Kurd?

Seen those photos yet of the Russian flag flying proudly over what were American outposts as recently as last month? Fills you with Russian pride, doesn't it? Ruskies triumphed without a single American death. Sure, the Kurds took it in the shorts, but that's a sacrifice Trump was willing to take to preserve his income stream in Turkey.

Asking a Kurd, and the Kurd response copied above!

There are other Kurdish organizations/fractions/parties that are against YPD/PKK etc. as well. I guess, one would need to do some research on those.

Russian involvement on the matter was instigated by the previous administration. They did not like the possible outcome after ousting Esad, and consequently invited Russia to save Esad. There is a PBS documentary on Obama's adviser explaining their decisions and choices at the time. Hindsight; we should not get involved in yet another regime change anyways.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Has the "disaster" started yet?

Yes. Trump is sending another battalion to "protect" the oil.

Disaster.

 

[Curmudgeonly]

Yes. Trump is sending another battalion to "protect" the oil.

Disaster.

Trump removing troops is a "disaster.". . . Trump adding troops? . . . A "disaster" as well. . . .

. . . A Nobel Peace Prize recipient initiating a regime change that he then dithers and vacillates into a quagmire would be . . .what?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Russian involvement on the matter was instigated by the previous administration. They did not like the possible outcome after ousting Esad, and consequently invited Russia to save Esad. There is a PBS documentary on Obama's adviser explaining their decisions and choices at the time. Hindsight; we should not get involved in yet another regime change anyways.

This is a bit of an oversimplification above.
Russia was going to get involved in the Syria civil war regardless of US desires: they have their only warm water naval port in Syria as I recall (I could be wrong, and don't feel like looking it up).

The US constrained Russian involvement for the most part. The US used Kurdish rebels as proxies in the Syrian civil war, the Russians used the Turks as proxies.

Retired American General Mike Flynn worked to align US interests to benefit Turkey, for that he was fired from the Obama administration. Because he was fired by the Obama administration, he was hired by the Trump administration, and proceeded to disgrace both himself, Trump and America in the process, not only adjusting American goals to match Turkish goals but Russian goals as well.

20/20 hindsight is easy to say "oh we shouldn't have gotten involved" but Realpolitick is messy. The US made a conscious decision to fight a proxy war, and Trump made a conscious decision to desert our allies for political and likely personal gain.

 

[dagdag]

This is a bit of an oversimplification above.
Russia was going to get involved in the Syria civil war regardless of US desires: they have their only warm water naval port in Syria as I recall (I could be wrong, and don't feel like looking it up).

The US constrained Russian involvement for the most part. The US used Kurdish rebels as proxies in the Syrian civil war, the Russians used the Turks as proxies.

Retired American General Mike Flynn worked to align US interests to benefit Turkey, for that he was fired from the Obama administration. Because he was fired by the Obama administration, he was hired by the Trump administration, and proceeded to disgrace both himself, Trump and America in the process, not only adjusting American goals to match Turkish goals but Russian goals as well.

20/20 hindsight is easy to say "oh we shouldn't have gotten involved" but Realpolitick is messy. The US made a conscious decision to fight a proxy war, and Trump made a conscious decision to desert our allies for political and likely personal gain.

Yes of course it is an over simplification. Similar to the point made for "ask a Kurd"

Conscious decision to engage a terrorist organization to fight another terrorist organization was a tactical move which has been done before numerous times. It is simply history repeating itself. Now that is the real politic!

if we wanted to have a through understanding of the conflict, we should also add and look at France and Israel's involvement in the matter. But, for the mere issue being "disaster in the making" i would rather keep it simple for a porn site

 

[SpeareChucker]

Oh, my God!



They're sending fighters back to their country of origin.
How ever will be able to control the impending disaster?

 

[phrodeau]

Trump removing troops is a "disaster.". . . Trump adding troops? . . . A "disaster" as well. . . .

. . . A Nobel Peace Prize recipient initiating a regime change that he then dithers and vacillates into a quagmire would be . . .what?

Yes of course it is an over simplification. Similar to the point made for "ask a Kurd"

Conscious decision to engage a terrorist organization to fight another terrorist organization was a tactical move which has been done before numerous times. It is simply history repeating itself. Now that is the real politic!

if we wanted to have a through understanding of the conflict, we should also add and look at France and Israel's involvement in the matter. But, for the mere issue being "disaster in the making" i would rather keep it simple for a porn site

Just what this thread needed: whataboutism.

 

[SpeareChucker]

No, what the thread needed was a disaster...

 

[dagdag]

Just what this thread needed: whataboutism.

Which item exactly i did do whataboutism? Which item did i ignore and refuted without a counter argument?

Ask a Kurd issue is clearly brought up with a direct response from Kurdish leader N. Barzani.

I do not think that we are discussing the merits of pride here Russian or American. I do not see a disaster by Russians taking over those posts. Fight against Daesh is going on, and it seems to be working fine with the death of their last leader.

Original post had this asked to bellisarius;

"Why not ask a Kurd?

Seen those photos yet of the Russian flag flying proudly over what were American outposts as recently as last month? Fills you with Russian pride, doesn't it? Ruskies triumphed without a single American death. Sure, the Kurds took it in the shorts, but that's a sacrifice Trump was willing to take to preserve his income stream in Turkey."

 

[Curmudgeonly]

No, what the thread needed was a disaster...

This thread is a disaster. At least Charlie Aglopheme Brown has shown the good sense to abandon this thread and move on to the impeachment field goal attempt.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-23-2015/g-9Csw.gif

 

[phrodeau]

Which item exactly i did do whataboutism? Which item did i ignore and refuted without a counter argument?

Ask a Kurd issue is clearly brought up with a direct response from Kurdish leader N. Barzani.

I do not think that we are discussing the merits of pride here Russian or American. I do not see a disaster by Russians taking over those posts. Fight against Daesh is going on, and it seems to be working fine with the death of their last leader.

Original post had this asked to bellisarius;

"Why not ask a Kurd?

Seen those photos yet of the Russian flag flying proudly over what were American outposts as recently as last month? Fills you with Russian pride, doesn't it? Ruskies triumphed without a single American death. Sure, the Kurds took it in the shorts, but that's a sacrifice Trump was willing to take to preserve his income stream in Turkey."

I thought that you were steering to a critique of France and Israel's involvement.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Yes of course it is an over simplification. Similar to the point made for "ask a Kurd"

Conscious decision to engage a terrorist organization to fight another terrorist organization was a tactical move which has been done before numerous times. It is simply history repeating itself. Now that is the real politic!

if we wanted to have a through understanding of the conflict, we should also add and look at France and Israel's involvement in the matter. But, for the mere issue being "disaster in the making" i would rather keep it simple for a porn site

Why do you consider the Kurds terrorists?

The 1920 Treaty of Sevres awarded them a state but they got fucked out of it. They are the 4th largest people in the ME. They, like the Palestinians, just need a place to call home.

 

[dagdag]

Why do you consider the Kurds terrorists?

The 1920 Treaty of Sevres awarded them a state but they got fucked out of it. They are the 4th largest people in the ME. They, like the Palestinians, just need a place to call home.

A clear misunderstanding. I do not consider Kurds as terrorists.

Looking at PYD (M. Kobani - Ferhat Abdi Sahin) and PKK (Abdullah Ocalan) as a representatitves of the Kurdish community at large would be an incorrect assessment. For example KDP (N. Barzani) is vehemently against the two terrorist organizations noted above. If you look at my previous posts, you would find his statements against those organizations and asking the Syrian Kurds to stay away and distance themselves from those organizations. PKK is officially recognized as a terrorist organization by many countries including but not limited to the US.

PYD's leadership is a continuation of PKK per CIA reports as well. But one does not need to look at the CIA report, you can simply check on Ferhat Abdi Sahin and see his connection to PKK. Current and past administrations and elected officials recognize this problem and described this as a tactical step to eliminate Daesh. Of course, there is an inherent problem on how we ended up using one terrorist group to fight another group...

I am not sure a failed Sevres gives Kurds to any entitlement. I doubt that we would release parts of Texas to Mexico since the latina population is going to have a majority here. It would be unrealistic to think that any country would give any land without a fight!

Palestinian issue is another topic. Palestinians may have a state at some point, but I am not sure what the borders would be like..

 

[toeskr]

A clear misunderstanding. I do not consider Kurds as terrorists.

Looking at PYD (M. Kobani - Ferhat Abdi Sahin) and PKK (Abdullah Ocalan) as a representatitves of the Kurdish community at large would be an incorrect assessment. For example KDP (N. Barzani) is vehemently against the two terrorist organizations noted above. If you look at my previous posts, you would find his statements against those organizations and asking the Syrian Kurds to stay away and distance themselves from those organizations. PKK is officially recognized as a terrorist organization by many countries including but not limited to the US.

PYD's leadership is a continuation of PKK per CIA reports as well. But one does not need to look at the CIA report, you can simply check on Ferhat Abdi Sahin and see his connection to PKK. Current and past administrations and elected officials recognize this problem and described this as a tactical step to eliminate Daesh. Of course, there is an inherent problem on how we ended up using one terrorist group to fight another group...

I am not sure a failed Sevres gives Kurds to any entitlement. I doubt that we would release parts of Texas to Mexico since the latina population is going to have a majority here. It would be unrealistic to think that any country would give any land without a fight!

Palestinian issue is another topic. Palestinians may have a state at some point, but I am not sure what the borders would be like..

Bore next door will not look at your post.

Him and the others will just respond with the latest cnn talking points after they check their feeds.

Talking heads.

 

[toeskr]

She might create a thread to pretend to be relevant.

Ya never know.

 

[SpeareChucker]

President Trump seems to have made a good call
while at once fulfilling a campaign promise...

Remember when an incoming President was
going to close Gitmo on Day one?

 

[bellisarius]

President Trup seems to have made a good call
while at once fulfilling a campaign promise...

Remember when an incoming President was
going to close Gitmo on Day one?

He did.

It's fun watching the press go all Chicken Little on this shit. They never seem to learn.

 

[SpeareChucker]

They have become little more than a Democrat in-kind source of
indirect campaign contributions and Democrats scratch their
heads and wonder why the hell anyone would watch FOX...

 

[RobDownSouth]

Hey AJ, I know you relish your role as situational Defender Of Teh Christian Faith (especially at Christmastime)....what did you think of that news item yesterday? The one where Turkish forces wiped out a Kurdish Christian enclave in Syria?

 

[Aglaopheme]

Hey AJ, I know you relish your role as situational Defender Of Teh Christian Faith (especially at Christmastime)....what did you think of that news item yesterday? The one where Turkish forces wiped out a Kurdish Christian enclave in Syria?

They are not exposed to actual news items. They dare very fragile and must be shielded from the truth at every turn. They’re on a state news only diet.

 

[suurfer]

Hey AJ, I know you relish your role as situational Defender Of Teh Christian Faith (especially at Christmastime)....what did you think of that news item yesterday? The one where Turkish forces wiped out a Kurdish Christian enclave in Syria?

Interesting. I've been following strictly RT on this, out of exasperation with the MAO-iist propaganda of mainstream media, especially since the ABC faked gun range thing.
But -unsurprisingly- RT haven't mentioned anything about it.
Geeze, you can no longer find objectivity anywhere. We're truly living Huxley's times.


Btw I enjoyed and learned a lot from reading your, bellisarius's and DagDag's exchanges about the Middle East geopolitics. Pls. keep on.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Interesting. I've been following strictly RT on this, out of exasperation with the MAO-iist propaganda of mainstream media, especially since the ABC faked gun range thing.
But -unsurprisingly- RT haven't mentioned anything about it.
Geeze, you can no longer find objectivity anywhere. We're truly living Huxley's times.


Btw I enjoyed and learned a lot from reading your, bellisarius's and DagDag's exchanges about the Middle East geopolitics. Pls. keep on.

Yesterday had to have been a high point in Turkish history. The Turkish army ethnically cleansed a troublesome Kurdish holdout in Syria (a Christian pocket of resistance against Muslim extremists) at the exact same time the Turkish president was lecturing America at a press conference about how awful the American congress was while Trump stood silently next to him.

Erdogan then "went there" and just to fan the flames insisted there was NO "Armenian Genocide" which provoked an immediate irate reaction amongst people of Armenian descent in America.

The House of Representatives immediately passed a resolution condemning Erdogan's remarks, but it was.....surprise!...tabled in the Senate by that wily ole South Carolina "patriot" Leningrad Lindsey Graham.

I'm beginning to believe that there actually IS a "pee tape" hidden in Moscow somewhere.....but Trump's not in it, Graham is.

 

[Rightguide]

Algo: Is it here yet? Just wonderin'.

 

[dagdag]

Yesterday had to have been a high point in Turkish history. The Turkish army ethnically cleansed a troublesome Kurdish holdout in Syria (a Christian pocket of resistance against Muslim extremists) at the exact same time the Turkish president was lecturing America at a press conference about how awful the American congress was while Trump stood silently next to him.

Erdogan then "went there" and just to fan the flames insisted there was NO "Armenian Genocide" which provoked an immediate irate reaction amongst people of Armenian descent in America.

The House of Representatives immediately passed a resolution condemning Erdogan's remarks, but it was.....surprise!...tabled in the Senate by that wily ole South Carolina "patriot" Leningrad Lindsey Graham.

I'm beginning to believe that there actually IS a "pee tape" hidden in Moscow somewhere.....but Trump's not in it, Graham is.

I do not see a disaster here!

For the "Armenian Genocide" I am going to leave this here from the perspective of a Jewish historian Bernard Lewis.

It is an insult to survivors of holocaust when you call what happened to Armenians a genocide. You would be diluting the word genocide. Armenian descendants in America can possibly lobby and have the legislature to pass laws, but does that mean it happened?