DOJ report on racism and shakedown-artistry in the Ferguson PD

[Que]

Police suddenly found their tasers for this dude:

but yeah, keep on selling me that supreme bullshit on the big bad black demon thug that had just cause to be deaded on sight.

Wilson exercised either restraint or poor marksmanship. He didn't "deaded" him on sight. He shot only when there was a threat, and he quit firing every time the threat abated.

Eric Holder is the guy you need to tell that he doesn't know what the actual evidence shows.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Apparently tasers seem to work as good as guns.

When they want to be used.

Guess you actually have to be murdering people for that to happen, though.

You can miss me with the bullshit excuses.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I said he basically eulogized Brown. A eulogy is a speech in which the speaker expresses praise and respect for a dead person, as Obama did here. How often does a POTUS do so for a dead hoodlum?

Dunno, not enough I'd wager.

 

[Que]

Apparently tasers seem to work as good as guns.

When they want to be used.

Guess you actually have to be murdering people for that to happen, though.

You can miss me with the bullshit excuses.

Read the DOJ report. It explains EXACTLY why the gun was his only option at the time.

Of course from the beginning when this thing smelled bad, those of us that said so predicted that no matter what the actual evidence shows, you will stick to the narrative.

The most racist, cowboy'd up cop in America does not shoot a black suspect who is in the process of surrendering at high noon in a black neighborhood in front of witnesses.

But you still believe.

 

[Que]

Dunno, not enough I'd wager.

Seriously?

Plenty of people white and black commit suicide by cop. It's hard on the cop.

In this case it was Darwinism by cop, and you think that demands a presidential acknowledgment?

A guy that will assault a cop over a package of blunts will assault anyone for any reason. At most he was facing misdemeanor shoplifting.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You lie alot you know it? let's don't move past that. I have never posted a picture of where I live, the neighborhood that I live in. I have never posted a pic and claimed to be living there. I live in the greater San Diego County area, it's a big place with over 4500 sq miles and 3 million people. I challenge you to produce an image I posted of where I live.

I'm not digging through 100k+ posts to find your claims of photos of your cabin and your town just outside the mountains where you pan for gold. Sorry. Not doing it.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Dunno. Do you think Michael Brown was a hoodlum? What was he ever convicted of?

I don't know if he was ever convicted of anything or not. However, it is not necessary to be convicted of anything to be a hoodlum.

Definition in Online Dictionary:

Full Definition of HOODLUM

1: thug; especially : a violent criminal


2: a young ruffian

 

[phrodeau]

I don't know if he was ever convicted of anything or not. However, it is not necessary to be convicted of anything to be a hoodlum.

Definition in Online Dictionary:

Full Definition of HOODLUM

1: thug; especially : a violent criminal


2: a young ruffian

I see. George Zimmerman is a hoodlum, then.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Seriously?

Plenty of people white and black commit suicide by cop. It's hard on the cop.

In this case it was Darwinism by cop, and you think that demands a presidential acknowledgment?

A guy that will assault a cop over a package of blunts will assault anyone for any reason. At most he was facing misdemeanor shoplifting.

Seriously, now not every single time. Maybe amoment of silence once a fucking month but yes.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

I'm not digging through 100k+ posts to find your claims of photos of your cabin and your town just outside the mountains where you pan for gold. Sorry. Not doing it.

Not to mention that pictures he does post here, he deletes within 24 or so hours. Makes it hard to pin down. Sort of makes one wonder why. Never have understood that. I have photos I've uploaded here from years ago.

Sort of like Cap'n AJ Hypocrite changing logins often. It makes it tought o pin him down on bullshit he posted a couple years back if you can't remember if he was 4est, Cap'n, Andra_Jenny, FawkinInjun or lord know which other names.

 

[sr71plt]

I see. George Zimmerman is a hoodlum, then.

I would say so, yes.

But on Brown, you didn't ever look at the video of Brown in the convenience store, did you? You couldn't possibly have looked at that and continue to doubt that he was a bully and a thug. And, no, you don't have to have ever been arrested to be either.

 

[phrodeau]

I would say so, yes.

But on Brown, you didn't ever look at the video of Brown in the convenience store, did you? You couldn't possibly have looked at that and continue to doubt that he was a bully and a thug. And, no, you don't have to have ever been arrested to be either.

You're positive that it was him?

 

[sr71plt]

You're positive that it was him?

You are that married to your ideological dogma?

I'm sold it's him, yes. But you're not going to change your dogma even if you admit to yourself it's him, are you?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Read the DOJ report. It explains EXACTLY why the gun was his only option at the time.

Of course from the beginning when this thing smelled bad, those of us that said so predicted that no matter what the actual evidence shows, you will stick to the narrative.

The most racist, cowboy'd up cop in America does not shoot a black suspect who is in the process of surrendering at high noon in a black neighborhood in front of witnesses.

But you still believe.

Tell this "narrative" bullshit to Tamir Rice's sister.

It's not about what I believe, it's about what's actually going on.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You are that married to your ideological dogma?

I'm sold it's him, yes. But you're not going to change your dogma even if you admit to yourself it's him, are you?

I believe it was him. I don't believe theft warrants getting shot and the officer didn't know anyway. It is funny how we don't mind blaming the victim here. Why didn't they do that in the Whitey (not my fault that's his name) Bulger case? Because in this country it's not about what the victim may or may not have done at some other time. It's supposed to be that cut and dry.

 

[sr71plt]

I believe it was him. I don't believe theft warrants getting shot and the officer didn't know anyway. It is funny how we don't mind blaming the victim here. Why didn't they do that in the Whitey (not my fault that's his name) Bulger case? Because in this country it's not about what the victim may or may not have done at some other time. It's supposed to be that cut and dry.

He didn't get shot because of the theft. He got shot because he was bruising for a fight and didn't care that it was a cop he was fighting with. I firmly believe that, as he was acting out, he would have killed the cop once called out if he could have. And some of that is because he was conditioned that way, not least by those of you who can't be objective in such matters.

Yes, I do blame Brown for what happened to him. He isn't a victim just because he was black, or that there's a general problem of overbearing police at the moment (mostly because soldiers we taught to brutalize are coming home from combat and finding jobs as cops), or even because the Ferguson police department has massive problems in this area.

Brown is dead because he was on a hopped-up rampage to brutalize other people and kill or be killed.

And I'd say that everyone with legal knowledge and objectivity who have looked at this have concluded the same thing. We'll have to see how the civil suits go on whether anyone looking through the eyes of the law disagrees.

God, some of your folks on both sides of the spectrum are completely devoid of case-by-case objectivity.

 

[Sean Renaud]

He didn't get shot because of the theft. He got shot because he was bruising for a fight and didn't care that it was a cop he was fighting with. I firmly believe that, as he was acting out, he would have killed the cop once called out if he could have. And some of that is because he was conditioned that way, not least by those of you who can't be objective in such matters.

Yes, I do blame Brown for what happened to him. He isn't a victim just because he was black, or that there's a general problem of overbearing police at the moment (mostly because soldiers we taught to brutalize are coming home from combat and finding jobs as cops), or even because the Ferguson police department has massive problems in this area.

Brown is dead because he was on a hopped-up rampage to brutalize other people and kill or be killed.

God, some of your folks on both sides of the spectrum are completely devoid of case-by-case objectivity.

See the thing is the black guys is always on a hopped up rampage. Even if he's bed-ridden.

 

[sr71plt]

See the thing is the black guys is always on a hopped up rampage. Even if he's bed-ridden.

Bullshit. That's your lack of objectivity talking. Brown wasn't "every black guy." He was Brown--and his responsibility doesn't transfer to every black guy. Nor does being a black guy give him a pass with the angels.

This is exactly where your dogma is eating you up.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Bullshit. That's your lack of objectivity talking. Brown wasn't "every black guy." He was Brown--and his responsibility doesn't transfer to every black guy. Nor does being a black guy give him a pass with the angels.

This is exactly where your dogma is eating you up.

No, not every black guy gets a pass. But it's impossible to trust the cops when no cop ever gets punished. When they got to investigate themselves in this case for how long before Holder stepped in? So basically we're reliant on eye witnesses who are notoriously worthless. But lets say this guy deserved it.

It was okay to hunt Trayvon as well. It was okay to choke out a man. It was okay ot shoot a man in the bed. It was okay to tell a man to get his license then shoot him. In every case it's been okay and there is never an instance where it's not.

 

[sr71plt]

Sorry. I have no time for such extreme dogmatism. It's not true that all cops are bad cops. It's not true that no cops get punished. It's not true that no white would have the same result Brown had in this instance. It's not true that all blacks are victims just because they aren't white. That's just extreme dogmatism.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Sorry. I have no time for such extreme dogmatism. It's not true that all cops are bad cops. It's not true that no cops get punished. It's not true that no white would have the same result Brown had in this instance. It's not true that all blacks are victims just because they aren't white. That's just extreme dogmatism.

The cops don't get punished. I didn't say anything about them being good or bad however that's hardly the point. I guess how true it is that all blacks are victims depends heavily on how you define the word victim though. It's not extreme dogmatism at all, it's simple reality.

 

[KingOrfeo]

This from the OP bears repeating:

This thread is not about Brown/Wilson, we've got other threads for that.

 

[sr71plt]

The cops don't get punished.

Bullshit. I think you are able to do the research yourself to see how much of a bullshit that statement is.

Wilson hasn't gotten punished because he has been judged to have acted appropriately. A civil case may cut into that (but only a bit), but there's been no civil case judgment yet.

Beyond that, if you are insisting that no cops in the United States get punished for treating citizens inappropriately, you are full of the Kool-Aid someone has been pouring down your throat.

I see a lot of that going on at both ends of the spectrum on this forum.