DonOld is a Loser

[HisArpy]

I am more than happy to address this. In the time that I have been here, I believe I have become one of the strongest advocates for gun reform and end gun violence. You need to show me where I have threatened another member because I believe that I have never done so other than to tell them that I plan to kick their ass with my words, which I am more than happy to do. You may not remember this, but I have changed my signature a number of times. This particular one shows me hypothetically threatening wat in response to the literal threats that he gives me and other members almost daily. If the owners of this site decide to boot me because of i this image of potential or implied violence over the actual desire to cause harm to other members then I will accept.

So you're admitting you're threatening another forum member?

BTW, the reason why is irrelevant. Why? Because there is no "self defense" to violating the forum rules.

 

[MajorRewrite]

I see you did manage to ask Mr. Google. And then skimmed the very first result to arrive and the same conclusion you had at the beginning.

Very telling.

Yet you somehow missed the other results which all give a better overall picture of copyright law as well as fair use laws.

Anyone can use copyrighted materials IF they obey the rules regarding exceptions. Those rules apply to everyone.

For instance (don't click the linky if you're on a cellphone):



IF the Trump rally is using the recording for a "nonsubscription broadcast transmission" then they're exempt under section 114 of US copyright law.

That describes a radio broadcast. The Trump rallies aren’t playing a radio broadcast. They pick the music they play.

Then there's the issue of fair use:



Trump's campaign is a non profit and the music is not being played for commercial purposes and is being used in part for nonprofit educational purposes of informing the public on current social issues.

Haha. No. You cannot be serious.

Trump rallies aren’t playing music for educational purposes. “Fair use” of music for educational purposes is using music in a music class.

This means the use is EXEMPT because of the nonprofit status and use of the material.

Nonprofit status is irrelevant, as the links I provided proved.

Further, usually the vendor (local business establishment) obtains the license to play copyrighted music and pays the royalties from the monies they receive from those who lease the space.

In such cases, the artist cannot demand that the lessee not play their music because it is the vendor who has obtained a license to do so and under that license may play the copyrighted material at any point as long as they pay the royalties. For the artist to demand the vendor to cease and desist would be a breach of contract for which the artist would be subject to legal penalties.

The whole point of this situation is the Trump campaign has not licensed the song. The licensing fee has not been paid.

Which of the above situations would apply depends on a lot of factors you haven't taken into account. I'm positive that Trump's organization has done that because this isn't the first time an artist has demanded that Trump cease and desist and yet Trump still plays the music at his rallies.

In the end, copyright law is complex and there are many many nuances you're not going to get from a fast search on the internet. If you rely on blogs and simple summaries which only skim the surface you're going to get yourself in trouble very quickly.

If the Trump campaign uses your arguments in court, the judge will laugh at them.

 

[Bn2f]

So you're admitting you're threatening another forum member?

BTW, the reason why is irrelevant. Why? Because there is no "self defense" to violating the forum rules.

Lol.
You’re a terrible lawyer.
Report me. Get me banned. I will be glad to go for there are 20 members here who kick your ass daily better than me. I’ll take with me at least 5 ammosexuals who don’t imply but actually threaten. Would that also include you and your dabbles unto the gun thread? Hmmmm.

 

[Bn2f]

Now answer me.
Is Harris the immigration czar?

 

[HisArpy]

That describes a radio broadcast. The Trump rallies aren’t playing a radio broadcast. They pick the music they play.



Haha. No. You cannot be serious.

Trump rallies aren’t playing music for educational purposes. “Fair use” of music for educational purposes is using music in a music class.



Nonprofit status is irrelevant, as the links I provided proved.



The whole point of this situation is the Trump campaign has not licensed the song. The licensing fee has not been paid.



If the Trump campaign uses your arguments in court, the judge will laugh at them.

This is YOUR OPINION, not fact. You don't "know" that the campaign isn't broadcasting the music from their own "station" just for the rallies. Nor do you "know" any of the rest of what you claim to be "fact."

It is all your OPINION.

Truth time; Trump has been sued for this in the past. The artist folded because he was going to lose in court. Why? Because it turned out that the VENUE was "licensed" and suing Trump, or his campaign, was meritless since neither Trump, nor the campaign, was broadcasting or playing the music, the venue was and it had a license to do so.

Further, a campaign rally is indeed for "educational purposes" if it's held to "inform" the public about current events. The exemption applies IF, in addition to the above, the campaign is a nonprofit (it is) and they don't charge for admittance (they don't). So, nonprofit status is indeed relevant to the issue.

You can laugh, but I think the artist's estate is going to quietly let this pass once they discuss everything with a lawyer.

 

[MajorRewrite]

This is YOUR OPINION, not fact. You don't "know" that the campaign isn't broadcasting the music from their own "station" just for the rallies. Nor do you "know" any of the rest of what you claim to be "fact."

It is all your OPINION.

Truth time; Trump has been sued for this in the past. The artist folded because he was going to lose in court. Why? Because it turned out that the VENUE was "licensed" and suing Trump, or his campaign, was meritless since neither Trump, nor the campaign, was broadcasting or playing the music, the venue was and it had a license to do so.

Further, a campaign rally is indeed for "educational purposes" if it's held to "inform" the public about current events. The exemption applies IF, in addition to the above, the campaign is a nonprofit (it is) and they don't charge for admittance (they don't). So, nonprofit status is indeed relevant to the issue.

You can laugh, but I think the artist's estate is going to quietly let this pass once they discuss everything with a lawyer.

Your obstinate refusal to admit when you’re wrong is always impressive. Unintentionally hilarious but impressive.

You and The Donald have that in common.

 

[HisArpy]

Lol.
You’re a terrible lawyer.
Report me. Get me banned. I will be glad to go for there are 20 members here who kick your ass daily better than me. I’ll take with me at least 5 ammosexuals who don’t imply but actually threaten. Would that also include you and your dabbles unto the gun thread? Hmmmm.

I have reported you. As have several others I'm sure.

LAUREL is the one who decides. So far she's decided not to act. For which you should feel lucky rather than belligerent.

You claim that you'd be happy to go. No one is stopping you from doing so voluntarily. Which means you're not really telling the truth. You need to be here to act like a maggot and spoil everything. It's your nature and reason for being. Basically, you're a troll because you need to be a troll and this place let's you do it.

I NEVER make threats. ANYONE doing so is beyond stupid because it focuses the spotlight on that and their behavior and highlights that they cannot control themselves. In essence, it makes people look right at you because YOU are the ACTUAL threat, not the vague others you make claims about.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Further, a campaign rally is indeed for "educational purposes" if it's held to "inform" the public about current events. The exemption applies IF, in addition to the above, the campaign is a nonprofit (it is) and they don't charge for admittance (they don't). So, nonprofit status is indeed relevant to the issue.

Redefining a campaign rally as an "educational event" is a stretch.....even for you.

 

[HisArpy]

Now answer me.
Is Harris the immigration czar?

I don't respond to stupid questions designed solely for the purpose of playing gotcha games.

In this case it's worse than that. You misstated that I made that claim and are now trying desperately to walk that back by trying to get me to say it now.

No thanks, I don't play stupid games with stupid people.

 

[Bn2f]

I don't respond to stupid questions designed solely for the purpose of playing gotcha games.

In this case it's worse than that. You misstated that I made that claim and are now trying desperately to walk that back by trying to get me to say it now.

No thanks, I don't play stupid games with stupid people.

You sir are a goddamn liar.

 

[HisArpy]

Disagreeing and/or mocking your ludicrous false "legal" conjecture is not grounds for the banhammer.
Objection overruled.
Sit down, counselor

The same could be said about my commentary regarding you and the rest of the troll crew.

Notice that none of you have been banned for it. Now answer me why I should for the same behavior?

The truth is that if Laurel were to ban the entire lot of you, and your performance Alts, Lit would fold faster than an origami sculpture. Individuals, OTOH, are a different thing altogether.

 

[dmallord]

Harpy and I were having a civil discussion about music licensing as it relates to the Trump campaign, and then you derailed the thread with your comment about “bish-bashing.”

I’m still not clear what bish-bashing means. It doesn’t appear to be a thing that people say.

Sorry about that. I contributed to that as well. Bish-bashing is an arcane term for male masturbation. First time I heard that as well. Google supplied the answer. New vocabulary to file away.

Do you still want to bish-bash Arphy on music licensing? As Arphy might say... it's complicated.

https://www.lewisroca.com/alert-can-politicians-use-songs-when-artists-object

https://www.lutzker.com/notes-and-votes-use-of-copyrighted-music-at-live-political-events/

 

[jaF0]

The Big Giant Twit is going to 'interview' the Giant Orange Toddler.

When is Elon Musk interviewing Donald Trump?​

Musk announced on X that he will be interviewing Trump on Monday, Aug. 12 at 8 p.m. ET.

I will go out on a limb and predict that they will recite the ritual of "Airing of White Grievances" once again.

Seems to be going ...... well, going .... somewhere.

 

[adrina]

Seems to be going ...... well, going .... somewhere.

I've got it streaming in the background from one of the YT channels. It's the same ol' same ol'. He's singing to his choir.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Is there a question in there somewhere?

Yes. Why are you such a snitch bitch?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Truth time; Trump has been sued for this in the past. The artist folded because he was going to lose in court. Why? Because it turned out that the VENUE was "licensed" and suing Trump, or his campaign, was meritless since neither Trump, nor the campaign, was broadcasting or playing the music, the venue was and it had a license to do so.

Further, a campaign rally is indeed for "educational purposes" if it's held to "inform" the public about current events. The exemption applies IF, in addition to the above, the campaign is a nonprofit (it is) and they don't charge for admittance (they don't). So, nonprofit status is indeed relevant to the issue.

You can laugh, but I think the artist's estate is going to quietly let this pass once they discuss everything with a lawyer.

Oh dear, HisArpy believes he and convicted felon Donald J Trump have every right to play any song anywhere any time.

,,,
https://www.lutzker.com/notes-and-votes-use-of-copyrighted-music-at-live-political-events/

Woo hoo! dmallord gives us a link that makes a complete mockery of Squire HisArpy's interpretation of copyright laws.

Performance Rights​

,,,. Considering it could be quite burdensome for individual parties to negotiate licenses for musical compositions, Congress established a system whereby compulsory licenses are granted in exchange for royalty fees. In an effort to further lessen that burden, most artists assign their performance rights to performance rights organizations (PROs).

Accordingly, the license for public performance of a musical work is typically granted by these PROs. The largest PROs in the U.S.—the American Society of Composers, Authors, and Publishers (ASCAP), Broadcast Music, Inc. (BMI) -generally establish broad blanket licenses for millions of songs within their catalogs.

Most convention centers and arenas have obtained blanket licenses from PROs to play certain musical works during events (oh look, HisArpy was technically right!). For example, when professional baseball player Dominic Smith makes an appearance for the New York Mets, their home stadium (Citi Field) has a license to play the song “Tunnel Vision” by the late Pop Smoke. However, most PROs exclude the performance of musical works at large venues during political events and rallies (oh look! HisArpy was WRONG WRONG WRONG) because the campaigns themselves become the primary beneficiaries. This is where a separate category of licenses plays a role.

Political Entities License​

Most PROs grant specialized political entities licenses, which provide individual political campaigns with blanket licenses to use musical works in their catalogs regardless of location. Although a political entities license gives campaigns express permission to use certain songs without copyright infringement liability, PROs typically provide artists with an opt-out provision in case they object to a particular campaign’s use of their music. For example, both ASCAP and BMI permit their members to exclude specific songs from political entities licenses with simple written notice. Some artists, like the Rolling Stones and Neil Young, have successfully removed their songs from lists of musical works that PROs permit political campaigns to use,

So to summarize: HisArpy unintentionally or intentionally mischaracterizes the whole of copyright law as it applies to political rallies, in order to meet his preconceived political biases.

Final Score: dmallord 1, HisArpy 0

Special thanks to dmallord for showing us all how ignorant of the law HisArpy is.

 

[dmallord]

Oh dear, HisArpy believes he and convicted felon Donald J Trump have every right to play any song anywhere any time.

Woo hoo! dmallord gives us a link that makes a complete mockery of Squire HisArpy's interpretation of copyright laws.


So to summarize: HisArpy unintentionally or intentionally mischaracterizes the whole of copyright law as it applies to political rallies, in order to meet his preconceived political biases.

Final Score: dmallord 1, HisArpy 0

Special thanks to dmallord for showing us all how ignorant of the law HisArpy is.

*Blushes while rolling his eyes*

And to think in my youth I thought about being a... lawyer.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1823203674513936588

whew.

 

[DeluxAuto]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1823203674513936588

whew.

It was like the Hindenburg crashed into Chernobyl.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Trump's Montana appearance last Friday was his LAST rally for the month of August.

Cranky old man doesn't seem to have sufficient energy to go out and campaign any longer.

People are beginning to notice just how old and feeble he is.

 

[jaF0]

^^ He doesn't want to be the only one showing up at his 'rallies'.

 

[adrina]

If we're going by lastht night, technically he'sth a losther.

 

[Rotadom]

 

[Aglaopheme]

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/trump-i...a-lago-news-conference-2024-election-02ec5c8f

Trump Is Looking Like a Loser Again​

About one third of his remarks at last week’s press conference were false, obtuse or lunatic​

​

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

The Bee also thinks the campaign could be more active. But rallies, preaching to the choir, is a spare time activity. Exposing and attacking Harris's record should be his first priority.

The Babylon Bee is a parody news site like the Onion.