eBay Purchases

[oggbashan]

Chagall

This church inspired my love of Marc Chagall.

http://www.tudeley.org/video.htm

 

[THROBBS]

Ogg on the cutting edge:

Buying a Picasso on Amazon? Not So Crazy Anymore

 

[oggbashan]

Problems - not unexpected.

So far I have received what I bid for. They might not be originals by the artist named, but they are 'originals' in the sense that they could be artist-made reproductions. They could be genuine originals. They might not be.

But today I received a Paul Seurat that is definitely a print, not an original. Re-reading the listing, although the vendor implied it was an 'original' he very carefully did not say it was. But it was obvious as soon as I had finished playing 'Pass the Parcel' with the ten layers of packaging. I received what I bid on, and paid a price that is reasonable for a framed print, so I am satisfied with it.

Many of my purchases of 'original art' have come from Europe and had taken a long time to arrive.

But I paid for one item in the UK on 22 June that should have arrived within 48 hours. It hasn't. The vendor had a perfect rating until about 4 months ago and since then has been marked down twice for not sending the item and not responding to communications. I think I'll be the third. The two previous cases won, as I did, with the minimum bid. If I miss out, I have lost 99 pence plus the postal charges.

There are risks with online auctions. I am agreeably surprised that I haven't had more problems with several thousand purchases. One item was 'lost in the post' and refunded, one item was damaged in transit but not beyond repair, and one item was never sent and the seller was eventually banned from eBay - at least under that name.

 

[Kim_vegas]

So far I have received what I bid for. They might not be originals by the artist named, but they are 'originals' in the sense that they could be artist-made reproductions. They could be genuine originals. They might not be.

But today I received a Paul Seurat that is definitely a print, not an original. Re-reading the listing, although the vendor implied it was an 'original' he very carefully did not say it was. But it was obvious as soon as I had finished playing 'Pass the Parcel' with the ten layers of packaging. I received what I bid on, and paid a price that is reasonable for a framed print, so I am satisfied with it.

Many of my purchases of 'original art' have come from Europe and had taken a long time to arrive.

But I paid for one item in the UK on 22 June that should have arrived within 48 hours. It hasn't. The vendor had a perfect rating until about 4 months ago and since then has been marked down twice for not sending the item and not responding to communications. I think I'll be the third. The two previous cases won, as I did, with the minimum bid. If I miss out, I have lost 99 pence plus the postal charges.

There are risks with online auctions. I am agreeably surprised that I haven't had more problems with several thousand purchases. One item was 'lost in the post' and refunded, one item was damaged in transit but not beyond repair, and one item was never sent and the seller was eventually banned from eBay - at least under that name.

know someplace to buy Da Vinci's ?.. obviously a fake but a good fake ..

 

[THROBBS]

know someplace to buy Da Vinci's ?.. obviously a fake but a good fake ..

I have some.

 

[oggbashan]

know someplace to buy Da Vinci's ?.. obviously a fake but a good fake ..

My brother bought a picture from that period. It was old and genuine.

He took it to an expert in Cambridge who agreed that it was indeed old, and a genuine painting of that period...





...but it was by an incompetent amateur and would have had no value then, and little value now. The frame might have been worth several hundred pounds but someone had replaced the frame with a cheap 1930s frame. The picture's value was about half the amount my brother had told his wife he had paid for it (and a quarter of what he had actually paid).

 

[Kim_vegas]

My brother bought a picture from that period. It was old and genuine.

He took it to an expert in Cambridge who agreed that it was indeed old, and a genuine painting of that period...





...but it was by an incompetent amateur and would have had no value then, and little value now. The frame might have been worth several hundred pounds but someone had replaced the frame with a cheap 1930s frame. The picture's value was about half the amount my brother had told his wife he had paid for it (and a quarter of what he had actually paid).

I am looking for something to hang on the wall ...

 

[Kim_vegas]

I have some.

Have not ..

 

[THROBBS]

Have not ..

have.

can make, to the extent that Ogg has purchased. pen and ink inventions or anatomical studies or graphite drawings. not so into the oils.

 

[oggbashan]

have.

can make, to the extent that Ogg has purchased. pen and ink inventions or anatomical studies or graphite drawings. not so into the oils.

I'm enjoying myself with these eBay purchases. Some of my artist friends could exactly reproduce them as 'originals' with pen or pencil if they had paper of the appropriate age. Throbbs could do that too.

That's part of the fun. I don't know whether I am buying the real thing or very good copies. I'll probably never know. But I can imagine or dream that I have the originals, or that at least some are original. Even as good copies they are underpriced. I'd never have the same enjoyment from prints not matter how well reproduced.

I spent more on my last car repair than I have spent in total on these art works. While it is good to have my car in proper running order, that car will eventually be replaced and/or scrapped. My eBay art works will be family heirlooms unless my descendants sell them to raise capital. Even in our local auctions they would raise more than I paid.

 

[oggbashan]

Latest delivery from Italy

These arrived this morning:

Paul Klee

Cy Twombly 02

Cy Twombly 03

Cy Twombly 04

 

[oggbashan]

Today's Picasso

Received today - Picasso (influenced by Dali?)

 

[imrhapsody]

Received today - Picasso (influenced by Dali?)

I bought to interesting paintings from a second hand store by James May for 5 dollars a piece. I looked them up and his work is going to 700 up. I felt like such a winner. LOL

 

[oggbashan]

I bought two interesting paintings from a second hand store by James May for 5 dollars a piece. I looked them up and his work is going to 700 up. I felt like such a winner. LOL

And why not? Particularly if you like them, which is presumably why you bought them.

 

[Kim_vegas]

have.

can make, to the extent that Ogg has purchased. pen and ink inventions or anatomical studies or graphite drawings. not so into the oils.

Just curious to see how far will you get carried away ..

 

[THROBBS]

Just curious to see how far will you get carried away ..

with what?

or by what?

forging?
Part of my education was just that.

learn from the masters.

I've made a Hans Belmer engraving and a Tom Wesselmann painting. It's not that big a deal to follow someone else's work. in fact, one can learn a lot from it. More often than not it is easier than working from imagination or life, because the image has already been reduced/translated to 2 dimensions.

Generally, one puts "after" in the title> "A Great American Nude, after Wesselmann". As i recall I made my own pose and painted, to the best of my ability at the time, in the style of Wesselman. The Belmer print was reproducing the work more closely, not quite a forgery, but using the same pose and technique.

Neither was my own technique.

 

[oggbashan]

I'm staying in a holiday cottage this week.

The owner has a better collection of 20th Century Art than I do. The cottage, and his house next door, has Van Gogh, Picasso, Miro, Fernand Leger, Degas...

Most of them were painted by an artist who lives in Bali. He will reproduce anyone's painting or drawing if sent a picture in sufficient detail. The cottage owner brings them into the UK as canvases, rolled in a plastic postal tube, then stretches and mounts them himself. They are good copies but in modern materials especially the canvas.

They are much better than prints, but they are copies.

 

[Kim_vegas]

have.

can make, to the extent that Ogg has purchased. pen and ink inventions or anatomical studies or graphite drawings. not so into the oils.

Now, are you not against copying?

 

[Kim_vegas]

I'm staying in a holiday cottage this week.

The owner has a better collection of 20th Century Art than I do. The cottage, and his house next door, has Van Gogh, Picasso, Miro, Fernand Leger, Degas...

Most of them were painted by an artist who lives in Bali. He will reproduce anyone's painting or drawing if sent a picture in sufficient detail. The cottage owner brings them into the UK as canvases, rolled in a plastic postal tube, then stretches and mounts them himself. They are good copies but in modern materials especially the canvas.

They are much better than prints, but they are copies.

Any Idea about the cost?

 

[THROBBS]

Now, are you not against copying?

I am against taking credit for work that is not your own.
I am against misleading viewers as to what is being presented.

I said that I am able to make convincing copies.

I have done so as assignments as a learning tool, I never persented that work as my own creative work, they are "after" (copied directly or "in the manner of").

I take HUGE issue with people who present manipulated (poorly) photographs (not even their own) as "paintings".

I am also "against" (do not condone or approve of) those who create and/or sell forgeries. Ogg is buying these pieces KNOWING that they are likely copies and enjoys having hand made work. I would have less issue if they we billed as copies.


More clear?

 

[oggbashan]

...

I am also "against" (do not condone or approve of) those who create and/or sell forgeries. Ogg is buying these pieces KNOWING that they are likely copies and enjoys having hand made work. I would have less issue if they we billed as copies.


More clear?

I agree with all of THROBBS post above (which I have cut to save space).

Almost everything I have bought has had a disclaimer - as required by eBay - stating that they are 'original' in the style/manner of the named artist and WITHOUT provenance. However the implication is that, despite the disclaimer, that they are originals.

But some state that they 'are' originals by the artist. One of them was actually a print. Apart from that one, I'm pleased with what I have and very pleased with the prices.

The works owned by the holiday home owner are obviously copies because of the overtly modern canvases and materials used. But they are very good copies and if framed in old frames would look like the originals - until you turned them around to see the back.

I have returned home from holiday today and opened my latest purchases. I'll probably post them tomorrow.

 

[Kim_vegas]

I am against taking credit for work that is not your own.
I am against misleading viewers as to what is being presented.

I said that I am able to make convincing copies.

I have done so as assignments as a learning tool, I never persented that work as my own creative work, they are "after" (copied directly or "in the manner of").

I take HUGE issue with people who present manipulated (poorly) photographs (not even their own) as "paintings".

I am also "against" (do not condone or approve of) those who create and/or sell forgeries. Ogg is buying these pieces KNOWING that they are likely copies and enjoys having hand made work. I would have less issue if they we billed as copies.


More clear?

you have no idea how much I am tempted right now to poke you on the same spot (same topic) where I am so certain you are bound to react .. (exothermic reaction!) ....

 

[THROBBS]

you have no idea how much I am tempted right now to poke you on the same spot (same topic) where I am so certain you are bound to react .. (exothermic reaction!) ....

Poke away. I carry my soapbox with me at all times.

 

[oggbashan]

One recent eBay Picasso purchase was a disaster.

I bought and paid for the item at the minimum bid. No one else had bid.

It was never sent, nor did the buyer respond to any messages or emails, nor a dispute case raised with eBay. eBay has now refunded my payment but looking back though the seller's feedback he has done this before. He sets a 99 pence minimum and if it sells at that, he doesn't send it and relists it a few weeks later.

His feedback record was 92%. I thought, without looking closely, that it might possibly have been a disgruntled buyer who was unhappy with what he had received. I should have looked more closely at the seller's feedback record.

I'm happy with almost all the art works I have received, from good eBayers selling at low prices, who sent the items promptly and well packed.

But I'll look more closely at any less than perfect feedback record before bidding. In the past I have avoided anyone with less than 70%. Now I'll dig further for anyone with less than 100% and bid if the negative(s) are from obvious assholes...

 

[THROBBS]

WTF!? He could/should set a "reserve" price, if he's gonna "be that way"

GrRrRrrrrrrrr