Enough Already!

[cloudy]

double post

 

[cloudy]

Yes, that's old school jive, it's bit antiquated. The same words crop up in the current dialect, possibly best described as hip-hop/gangsta rap, but the rhythm is a little different.

I used to half know some hip-hop when I was in the Nav, but there's maybe a Dozen Black people in the whole county here, so I don't hear it that much anymore.

Hip-hop has a white variation that contains a lot of Bronxisms, "yo", etc.

Rednecks have their own dialect too, I hear it now and agin'.

A bit?

RRichard: I would pay good money to watch you walk into any hood, and talk like that...honestly.

Let me clue you in...real bad asses don't have to proclaim it. Nobody here believes that bullshit you've been peddling since way back when, and most probably believe you're a skinny nerd sitting in your mama's basement, simply because you scream so loud about what a badass you are.

 

[R. Richard]

Quote:
Originally Posted by xssve
Yes, that's old school jive, it's bit antiquated. The same words crop up in the current dialect, possibly best described as hip-hop/gangsta rap, but the rhythm is a little different.

I used to half know some hip-hop when I was in the Nav, but there's maybe a Dozen Black people in the whole county here, so I don't hear it that much anymore.

Hip-hop has a white variation that contains a lot of Bronxisms, "yo", etc.

Rednecks have their own dialect too, I hear it now and agin'

A bit?

RRichard: I would pay good money to watch you walk into any hood, and talk like that...honestly.

Let me clue you in...real bad asses don't have to proclaim it.

Okay, xssve has made the only real comment on the subject. Xssve remarks, "that's old school jive, it's bit antiquated. The same words crop up in the current dialect, possibly best described as hip-hop/gangsta rap, but the rhythm is a little different."

Of course it's a bit antiquated. As I stated, I haven't been to Oaklanbd for a while and the argot changes quickly. Of course, the rhythm is a little different. The Rhythm changes from place to place.

Cloudy, I wouldn't walk into a 'hood and talk like that. The boyz be thinkin' that I be a tourist. I was challenged to show how the black use of motherfucker differed fron the white use of motherfucker. I responded. However, if I did walk into a 'hood, I would use certain key words to let the boyz, the niggaz, (their term, not mine) know that I been in the 'hood before. The knowledge saves time and violence.

"Let me clue you in...real bad asses don't have to proclaim it." No, of course not. A badass white dude can just walk into the 'hood and the boyz automatically know he be a badass. Hell, they just stand back and let badass whitey walk on by. (I don't know what you're smoking Cloudy, but get a distribution network and you gonna make mad cheddar.) A badass black dude still gotta fall in, when he gets to a new 'hood. A badass white dude still gotta show the boyz that he's willing to back it up. Chances are an average sized, badass white dude still gotta demonstrate to the boyz that he can back it up. If white boy can back it up, quickly and efficiently, only then do the boyz fall in.

Cloudy, you live in a world where whitey sometimes called you, 'wagonburner.' Doubtless, you and the people you hung with had some argot that you used among yourselves. I don't know that argot, as there were never very many Amerinds in places where I lived and worked. I do know the black pimp argot and you don't. Yet you tell the world that I'm fake. Cloudy, you don't know if I'm fake or not, because you don't know the black pimp argot. You're the one who makes yourself look foolish.

 

[oggbashan]

I knew Australian Bodgie and Wodgie argot of the early 1960s, and through C J Dennis, the slang of World War 1 ANZACS - The Diggers.

Neither would be much use in 21st Century Australia.

Og

 

[Huckleman2000]

[...]You're the one who makes yourself look foolish.

Except, you're the one writing bad dialog for a Blaxploitation movie.

 

[R. Richard]

Cloudy:
"Let me clue you in...real bad asses don't have to proclaim it. Nobody here believes that bullshit you've been peddling since way back when, and most probably believe you're a skinny nerd sitting in your mama's basement, simply because you scream so loud about what a badass you are."

Actually, I live in my own house (the bank that holds the mortgage could put up a pretty good contrary argument here,) bought with my own, after tax, money that I earned with my own work. How many here can truthfully make that claim?

I live in the western USA and very few houses have basements.

Actually Cloudy, the only one screaming so loudly about what a badass I am, is you.

 

[R. Richard]

Except, you're the one writing bad dialog for a Blaxploitation movie.

Huckleman, you have outdone Cloudy.

I don't have to write bad dialog for a Blaxploitation movie. I have written and had published a book titled, The Anatomy of An Adult Film (co-authored with Sunset Thomas, the famous adult film star.) Check it out!

Tell me, Huckleman, what are your film writing bonafides?

 

[cloudy]

Cloudy:
"Let me clue you in...real bad asses don't have to proclaim it. Nobody here believes that bullshit you've been peddling since way back when, and most probably believe you're a skinny nerd sitting in your mama's basement, simply because you scream so loud about what a badass you are."

Actually, I live in my own house (the bank that holds the mortgage could put up a pretty good contrary argument here,) bought with my own, after tax, money that I earned with my own work. How many here can truthfully make that claim?

I live in the western USA and very few houses have basements.

Actually Cloudy, the only one screaming so loudly about what a badass I am, is you.

Whatever.

I was trying to give you some advice. Continue to look silly, or don't. It doesn't make any difference to me.

(we don't have "argot," we have an entire language...or several. There's a difference)

 

[cloudy]

Huckleman, you have outdone Cloudy.

I don't have to write bad dialog for a Blaxploitation movie. I have written and had published a book titled, The Anatomy of An Adult Film (co-authored with Sunset Thomas, the famous adult film star.) Check it out!

Tell me, Huckleman, what are your film writing bonafides?

Oh, for fuck's sake.

Who gives a flying fuck what you've written? You're the only one here that cares, and just because you've written a book about the sex industry, that doesn't mean that all the claims you've made over the years are true.

Oh, and by the way: we own our house, paid for with money we've earned, too. There are plenty of people who've done the same. What do you want, a fucking reward?

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Well, I'd much rather discuss fellatio than argue with my fellow Litizens, so that the talk about "cocksucker" is an improvement.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Huckleman, you have outdone Cloudy.

I don't have to write bad dialog for a Blaxploitation movie. I have written and had published a book titled, The Anatomy of An Adult Film (co-authored with Sunset Thomas, the famous adult film star.) Check it out!

Tell me, Huckleman, what are your film writing bonafides?

If this is your attempt at viral marketing, you so totally fail.

 

[driphoney]

Well, I'd much rather discuss fellatio than argue with my fellow Litizens, so that the talk about "cocksucker" is an improvement.

So, would you consider your thread intentions successful?

 

[JackLuis]

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I don't have to write bad dialog for a Blaxploitation movie. I have written and had published a book titled, The Anatomy of An Adult Film (co-authored with Sunset Thomas, the famous adult film star.) Check it out!

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SO RR, what do Sex Film people call "cocksuckers?"
I think that is more germane to our discussion than "Oksterdaming".

DO they use a euphemism, or just cocksucker? I mean to refer to the actor, not the act? "Skin Flutist, or is it Flautist", or perhaps "playing the skin whistle?"

Cunnilinguists? What about pussy lickers? DO they have a name for that? Is there a different name for clit sucking, vs circling the vagina with the tongue?

Inquiring perverts want to know!

 

[Huckleman2000]

Huckleman, you have outdone Cloudy.

I don't have to write bad dialog for a Blaxploitation movie. I have written and had published a book titled, The Anatomy of An Adult Film (co-authored with Sunset Thomas, the famous adult film star.) Check it out!

Tell me, Huckleman, what are your film writing bonafides?

I'm not the one trying to get in a pissing contest, R.Dick. No one cares if you talk Oakland Pimp Argot or West Virginia Mouth-Breathing Patois.


I'm just saying, with all your posturing and posing, that you look a little foolish.

 

[Dragonlipz]

No, of course you have never attacked me. This is certainly not an attack, at least in your mind, "I stand by my assessment that your pathetic attempt at Eubonics is just that: pathetic."

What I wrote isn't an attempt at 'Eubonics' (sic) or at Ebonics either (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebonics). What I wrote is pimp argot, specifically pimp argot as used in the Oakland area and it's a few years old, since I have had no work assignments in Oakland recently. Pimp argot tends to chage, rather rapidly. Thus, if I were to go back to Oakland, I would need to brush up a bit, before I made a fool of myself.

I'm not black and never claimed to be. In fact, in several of my past posts I have noted that I'm not only white, but so white white that I don't buy white sheets, so that I can tell where the sheet ends and I start. However, I have lived among blacks and I was also a very good high school long jumper. Long jumpers are very, very often black. When long jumpers get to major competitions, they trend to be almost all black. I also played football and basketball. A lot of the blacks I played/jumped against (and with) were not the kind who you find in academic competitions. In fact, a lot of them were little more than partially tamed animals (the same thing was said of me.) I didn't learn pimp argot from a book, I learned it from blacks, in the streets and in the playing fields. I still deal with the same kind of blacks in my work. (Most of them use pimp argot and not just for style.)

No, of course you have never attacked me. This is certainly not an attack, at least in your mind, "...you ain't black, it shows, and it don't show good.....
I never have attacked you and if people are paying to read the crap you posted then more power to ya - no accounting for taste!!!!!!."

It might be inferred, from your comment that you are Negro, probably a partially educated Negro. However, you aint black. They say white men can't jump. I can jump and I would bet that you can't jump worth a damn, just from reading your insults.

I have also dealt with Rasta blacks in Jamaica. They also use an argot (actually a creole, in their case.) However, the Rasta argot is different from USA pimp argot.

Finally, I have been to the South of India. They have Caucasians there who are as black as any African Negro, so dark that they show blue highlights in their skin. (Little Black Sambo was a Caucasian.) Thus, I normally use the term Negro, as opposed to black. However, I used black, since that's the term you used.

Once again, you tell me that what I posted isn't what they use in the 'black ghetto' and, once again,you fail to provide me with examples of what they do use in the black gehtto. That last is understandable, since the type of attitude you show would very likely result in some free, unlicensed dental work in the black ghetto.

'Pimp Argot' quite the scholar now aren't we?
I've lived, worked and mentored in the 'hood' for many years and all of my teeth are my own..... so dig that, whitebread.....and kiss my 'unlicensed' ass.....cos you still ain't shit......and thoroughly pathetic.......
Oh, and just to get into the ongoing rant: I own five properties in two states and one in another country.....no great shakes, only two notes outstanding on those five and how does home ownership make your claim to ?????Black Pimp Argot???? valid?
by that reasoning, Ken Lay and his ten homes would make him Rosa Parks or MLK..........
Go have a drink and THINK for a change.......Lay off HM and Cloudy.....you're really mad at yourself for being so stupid (and me for pulling yore card)......Get the fuck over it.................

 

[R. Richard]

SO RR, what do Sex Film people call "cocksuckers?"
I think that is more germane to our discussion than "Oksterdaming".

DO they use a euphemism, or just cocksucker? I mean to refer to the actor, not the act? "Skin Flutist, or is it Flautist", or perhaps "playing the skin whistle?"

Cunnilinguists? What about pussy lickers? DO they have a name for that? Is there a different name for clit sucking, vs circling the vagina with the tongue?

Inquiring perverts want to know!

Adult films are almost entirely cast via agents. (Some really big female stars are able to work directly, but only a very few.) When an agent signs up an actor, female or male, the agent has a list of things that the actor will do and, by omission, what the actor won't do. Most of the agents have web sites where hopefuls can sign up. Most of the web sites use euphemisms, since the web site is publically accessable. A director then contacts agents to hire performers for a film. The conversations between a director and an agent are usually much more direct. If the agent isn't sure about a specific act, the agent talks to the actor. The conversations between an agent and an actor get very detailed and very specific. If there's a misunderstanding between an agent and an actor, it can stop filming on an adult film set and that's very expensive.

Even with very direct, very explicit talk, there can still be misunderstandings. Usually, when an actor balks at sonething that's previously agreed upon, the actor has trouble finding work.

I would tell you to read my book, Anatomy of An Adult Film, for answers in depth, but Stella would have a hissy fit, so I won't.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

So, would you consider your thread intentions successful?

At least in that respect.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Adult films are almost entirely cast via agents. (Some really big female stars are able to work directly, but only a very few.) When an agent signs up an actor, female or male, the agent has a list of things that the actor will do and, by omission, what the actor won't do. Most of the agents have web sites where hopefuls can sign up. Most of the web sites use euphemisms, since the web site is publically accessable. A director then contacts agents to hire performers for a film. The conversations between a director and an agent are usually much more direct. If the agent isn't sure about a specific act, the agent talks to the actor. The conversations between an agent and an actor get very detailed and very specific. If there's a misunderstanding between an agent and an actor, it can stop filming on an adult film set and that's very expensive.

Even with very direct, very explicit talk, there can still be misunderstandings. Usually, when an actor balks at sonething that's previously agreed upon, the actor has trouble finding work.

that is the clearest, most direct thing you have said in a long time.

I would tell you to read my book, Anatomy of An Adult Film, for answers in depth, but Stella would have a hissy fit, so I won't.

What hissy fit? I made a simple observation. Telling someone to read your book because it answers the questions they have asked is perfectly reasonable.

Insulting the fuck out of forum members, displaying total social incompetence, indulging in passive-aggressive puffery and then telling them about the book you've written-- you are not gonna sell a book that way. That ought to be obvious.

 

[FreshlyDirty]

A place for writers and readers to socialize and discuss the craft of writing.

We're socializing. It says it right on the forum front page for what the Author's Hangout was intended. You can easily skip over the threads where there is socializing about politics.

 

[FreshlyDirty]

Okay, money, yo' holla busta at me. Say I aint no gully, bus a cap, jus buggin. Get yosef a Bforty and lemme know how they really talks in the hood, motherfuckers.
(If i'm a poseur, tell me how it really is.)

Mainly situation and frequency of use. In a black ghetto, the word is FREQUENTLY used in conversation, often in a friendly manner. "That motherfucker walk out the party with the hottest bitch there!" "Hey motherfucker, what yo' bin up to?"

Of course, it's also used in a negative sense, "I tryin' to mack this bitch, when some motherfucker crash in."

There are people who use a lot of broken english and a lot of slang in the ghetto. They are the minority in the ghetto. Irony. Most people in the ghetto talk regular with some broken English and slang in their speech. You present an exaggeration and it comes across as phony.

Even those who use mostly slang and broken English do not sound like what you write. Let me show you an example that sounds closer to a heavy slang user.

That motherfucker walk out the party with the hottest bitch there!" "Hey motherfucker, what yo 'bin up to"

Would more lilkely sound something like this:

"He stepped outta da club with a bangin' dime piece." "What up! What's good wit ya?"

Motherfucker is not used as often as you think. Most of the time it is used out of anger. For example:

"I tryin' to mack this bitch, when some motherfucker crash in."

Would more likely sound something like this:

"I was spittin' game to this bitch then that hatin' ass muhfucka Richard started cock blockin' throwin' all types of salt in the game."

Okay, money, yo' holla busta at me. Say I aint no gully, bus a cap, jus buggin. Get yosef a Bforty and lemme know how they really talks in the hood, motherfuckers.

Would more likely sound something like this:

Be easy, let me build wit you for a sec. I aint from 'round here. I was just jokin' around and aint mean no disrespect. Lets get a couple a forties, cop some trees, and you can show me what's really good 'round here like where da bitches at for starters.

 

[Dragonlipz]

The Times They Are A-Changin' lyrics

Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'.

The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is
Rapidly fadin'
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin'.