Experts: Hillary Broke The Law

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[Busybody]

Wait till you see what I'm gonna post

The emails were deleted

Without anyone reading em to see if indeed they were personal

 

[Busybody]

this cannot be defended

No One Read Hillary’s Emails Before Deleting Them



Looks like we’ve got our answer to one of the lingering questions I listed after Hillary Clinton’s train-wreck press conference! It was Question Number 8, to be exact:


Clinton insists that the 30,000 emails she has deleted – purportedly about half of the correspondence stored on her server – was personal in nature. Who made that determination, and what criteria were used? Even if her claims are taken at face value, it seems unlikely Clinton herself reviewed the messages one at a time. Who assisted her in this task, and what security clearance did they possess?

The answer, courtesy of Time: nobody read the emails before deleting them.


For more than a year after she left office in 2013, she did not transfer work-related email from her private account to the State Department. She commissioned a review of the 62,320 messages in her account only after the department–spurred by the congressional investigation–asked her to do so.

And this review did not involve opening and reading each email; instead, Clinton’s lawyers created a list of names and keywords related to her work and searched for those. Slightly more than half the total cache–31,830 emails–did not contain any of the search terms, according to Clinton’s staff, so they were deemed to be “private, personal records.”

So Clinton’s legal team whipped up a list of words, her aides searched for messages containing those words, we have Hillary’s pinky-swear assurance all of those messages were printed out and handed over to the State Department… and everything else was deemed “personal” and deleted. Even though no actual people treat their personal email that way.

What was on the list of keywords? Trust the Clinton mob, it was a great list. Was every message discovered by those searches faithfully handed over? Trust the Clinton mob, they’re honest as the day is long.

The notion of the media accepting a delirious load of crap like this from any Republican official for longer than a single day is enough to give you giggle fits.

The feedback Time procured from a legal expert is understated enough to fetch another basket of giggles:


This strikes experts as a haphazard way of analyzing documents. Jason R. Baron, a former lawyer at the National Archives and Records Administration who is now an attorney in the Washington office of Drinker Biddle & Reath, says, “I would question why lawyers for Secretary Clinton would use keyword searching, a method known to be fraught with limitations, to determine which of the emails with a non-.gov address pertained to government business. Any and all State Department activities–not just communications involving the keywords Benghazi or Libya–would potentially make an email a federal record. Given the high stakes involved, I would have imagined staff could have simply conducted a manual review of every document. Using keywords as a shortcut unfortunately leaves the process open to being second-guessed.”

Yes, that does seem “haphazard” and “fraught with limitations,” doesn’t it? And we certainly did end up with a process open to second guesses. I think the more appropriate response would be to shriek “You did WHAT?” while swinging from the nearest ceiling-mounted light fixture, but maybe that’s just me.

 

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[Busybody]

did she

or

did she not sign the State Dept document she was supposed to sign

how is it after TWO years no one can answer?

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[Sean Renaud]

Wait. . .so if she didn't sign the paper work what's that mean in practical terms?

 

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[Sean Renaud]

It means she didn't comply with existing law.

And the punishment is? Cus it seems like two years is a crazy amount of time to look for paperwork. Unless it's something irreplacable (or very difficult) I don't see why the fuck you wouldn't just print a new one and call it a day after two weeks of not finding it. Nor why the Republicans wouldn't have ran with this two years ago. Ssee it's all the stuff like that that allows us to know this is actually a non-issue brought up for political reasons and political reasons alone. How the fuck did nobody find out she was using private email around day ten of the Bengazi scandal? Republicans are either utterly incompetent and didn't even KNOW what her email was encase they wanted to get in touch or more likely didn't give a shit.

 

[Busybody]

If she did sign Form OF 109 and she didn't return all government communications that would be a felony offense. It could generate a criminal subpoena.

2 yrs

they still don't know if it was signed

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

 

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[Sean Renaud]

No, they know she signed it.

Or they know she didn't. What makes you so certain that she did? She seems clever enough that if she knew forgetting to sign one form would make her "technically" less guilty she would have done it. The question is how has no republican found it? Incompetent or don't care. Take your pick and reject the other.

 

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[Sean Renaud]

And either way she's got a roughly 90% chance getting away with it so this is a lot of sound and fury for nothing.

 

[about_average]

It's pretty much a given that if it's not in specially configured government communications channels, it's not secure for classified material. It's certainly not officially secure enough. That's a nonstarter argument.

Pretty much any defense of doing this in a nonstarter--especially since Hillary herself has stated that it was a mistake. That dog has already barked.

I wasn't defending it, I've already said otherwise in my first post.

I'm just pointing out the fact that it not being a government server and account doesn't automatically mean it's less secure. Saying it is less secure is just another accusation based on no information.

 

[Sean Renaud]

And it runs contrary to the Republican Mantra that government can't do anything properly. By all logic a quality private email should be better. I don't buy that horse shit but that's what I'm told.

 

[RjThoughts]

And it runs contrary to the Republican Mantra that government can't do anything properly. By all logic a quality private email should be better. I don't buy that horse shit but that's what I'm told.

"Private for-profit corporations can do better than the government, because the government's too big."..yeah okay

 

[about_average]

Come on, you are smarter than that. Why would another country admit they hacked into the system? They can keep their mouth shut and continue to hack the system and the people in the U.S. will be happy their favorite politician can break the law. Doesn't matter if it means some of our military gets killed because of it. That makes it even better. Gets rid of more of the worthless veterans anyway.

That could be said of .gov servers as well.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/15/us-usa-security-anonymous-fbi-idUSBRE9AE17C20131115

 

[about_average]

And the punishment is? Cus it seems like two years is a crazy amount of time to look for paperwork. Unless it's something irreplacable (or very difficult) I don't see why the fuck you wouldn't just print a new one and call it a day after two weeks of not finding it. Nor why the Republicans wouldn't have ran with this two years ago. Ssee it's all the stuff like that that allows us to know this is actually a non-issue brought up for political reasons and political reasons alone. How the fuck did nobody find out she was using private email around day ten of the Bengazi scandal? Republicans are either utterly incompetent and didn't even KNOW what her email was encase they wanted to get in touch or more likely didn't give a shit.

See post #155
Something is extremely fishy here.

 

[sr71plt]

Your version of being objective is to give her a pass. I'm not into that crap.

Shall the two of us go over my posts on this issue for the past two days and count the number of times I've posted that I wouldn't give her a pass on this? You're really just making it up as you go along, aren't you?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Excellent point! Anyone who received an email from her during her tenure would know she wasn't using a state department email account. In 4 years not a single person who wasn't a pawn for her never received an email from her?

Honestly the emails of everybody in the government isn't known at least by the other government officials? I know in the Marines every Marine is on the server, it's actually. . .well it's fine if you're Sean Renaud and there are like four of us on the planet but it's a bitch if you're Jesse Martinez or Chris Smith because anybody trying to email you has to make sure they check the unit down to the finest detail.

 

[about_average]

I don't for a minute believe that none of her "enemies" ever sent an email to her or received an email from her, or had one of hers forwarded to them, in the 4 years she was Sec of state.

So there are only two options. No one cared then, or they are all so stupid they thought @clintonmail.com was an alias for @state.gov

 

[Busybody]

Excellent point! Anyone who received an email from her during her tenure would know she wasn't using a state department email account. In 4 years not a single person who wasn't a pawn for her never received an email from her?

so you are BLAMING others??????????


is it NOT possible that those that sent emails to her PVT EMAIL also thought that she had a LEGIT email and that this was merely ONE of her emails?

 

[miles]

Four irrefutable facts about The Hildabeast:

1. Nobody will find incriminating emails
2. She will never be prosecuted
3. She'll continue to deflect the issue
4. She'll be elected President in 2016