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Exploding rocket company to oversee changes to FAA airplane safety.

I thought I could pivot the subject to NASA effectively without having to remind Deplorables that rockets aren't planes.

I was wrong. Bring in the sock puppets. šŸ™„
 
RobDownSouth said:
SpaceX fires a rocket up maybe 5 or 6 times a year.
The FAA is responsible for handling 45,000 flights per day.
Two completely separate and distinct skillsets.

When you buy a hot air balloon at the circus you are not in anyway qualified to pilot the Goodyear blimp, despite both the balloon and the blimp both containing helium.
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You need to come up to speed old timer and learn how to use a search engine:


In 2024, SpaceX achieved a record-breaking 138 launches, surpassing their initial goal of 144.

spacexnow.com
This impressive feat included 134 Falcon family launches (132 Falcon 9 and two Falcon Heavy missions), accounting for over half of all global orbital launches that year.
en.wikipedia.org

For 2025, SpaceX has set an ambitious target of 180 launches, averaging 15 per month. As of February 18, 2025, they have conducted 20 successful missions, maintaining a launch success rate of approximately 95.24% for the year.

spacexnow.com

It may be time for you to retire to that big rocking chair on the bunkhouse porch.
 
Rightguide said:
It may be time for you to retire to that big rocking chair on the bunkhouse porch.
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15 Launches PER MONTH?
Well, THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING!

Wait....no...no it doesn't change a thing.

You're comparing SpaceX's 15 Launches per month to the FAA's 1.35 million (45,000/per day times 30 days) flights per month and insinuate they are somehow equivalent?

No, nobody is going to buy that.

And SpaceX has a "safety" record of 95.24%?

If the FAA had that sort of safety record, it would mean 42858 planes landed safely every day and 2,142 crashes.
Let's be conservative here and assume 50 fatalities per crash.....that would mean 107,100 deaths every single day.
That's almost 40 million deaths per year.
 
Rightguide said:
You need to come up to speed old timer and learn how to use a search engine:


In 2024, SpaceX achieved a record-breaking 138 launches, surpassing their initial goal of 144.

spacexnow.com
This impressive feat included 134 Falcon family launches (132 Falcon 9 and two Falcon Heavy missions), accounting for over half of all global orbital launches that year.
en.wikipedia.org

For 2025, SpaceX has set an ambitious target of 180 launches, averaging 15 per month. As of February 18, 2025, they have conducted 20 successful missions, maintaining a launch success rate of approximately 95.24% for the year.

spacexnow.com

It may be time for you to retire to that big rocking chair on the bunkhouse porch.
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Any government agency that failed and blew up so many rockets would've been shut down before it began.
 
RobDownSouth said:
Air traffic controllers on CNN last night said that this might be the first time in aviation history that a commercial jet plane crashed and flipped belly up on a runway and there were ZERO deaths. They said this sort of crash was rated as an absolute 10/10 "worst case scenario".. 19 sent to the hospital, 17 treated and released.

Wow. And to think I've been a bit skeptical of "miracles" all my life.
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Have you seen the video? It appears a down draft hit the plane just as the landing gear met the runway. The right rear gear collapsed, right wing broke off and it rolled over while sliding down the runway, that mother nature had greased with snow....

My hats off to the engineers who designed that plane!!
 
Fuzzy1975 said:
Have you seen the video? It appears a down draft hit the plane just as the landing gear met the runway. The right rear gear collapsed, right wing broke off and it rolled over while sliding down the runway, that mother nature had greased with snow....

My hats off to the engineers who designed that plane!!
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Every fucking landing I have experienced feels like a hair's breadth from a crash. The landing is always riskier than the takeoff.
 
Fuzzy1975 said:
Have you seen the video? It appears a down draft hit the plane just as the landing gear met the runway. The right rear gear collapsed, right wing broke off and it rolled over while sliding down the runway, that mother nature had greased with snow....

My hats off to the engineers who designed that plane!!
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I sure did see the video!
https://imgur.com/rJLu4uP

What's absolutely amazing is the reaction of the passengers.
Every single one of them had their seatbelts on (no libertarian "I dont need no seatbelts!" types on board)
Every single passenger was UPSIDE DOWN.
Every single passenger CHECKED BELOW THEMSELVES to make sure they wouldn't injure anyone beneath them if they unbuckled their seat belt.
Some passengers stayed to help other passengers unbuckle themselves and assisted them to the ground.
NO passenger insisted on retrieving their items in the overhead compartments (which is the major flaw in most ground evacuations).
The automated "plane crash alert" to hospitals worked flawlessly.
The airport crash team at the onsite fire department was at the site in three minutes.

Honestly, air crashes are horrible but this one might have been the most textbook response of all time.

I watched the crash in slow-motion and saw the right landing gear strike the ground before the left one did....it immediately buckled so I agree it likely was an unexpected severe downdraft on the runway. I'm not qualified to diagnose the cause (unlike, say, our board aviation experts like Vetty, Chan and Boomer) so I'll wait for the NTSB report.
 
eric_erosfan said:
Every fucking landing I have experienced feels like a hair's breadth from a crash. The landing is always riskier than the takeoff.
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If you really want to piss off a pilot after a rough landing, just say "Carrier Landing, Bro!" as you exit the plane.
(A commercial pilot shared that with me....it's the equivalent of the "n-word" in aviation circles.
 
RobDownSouth said:
If you really want to piss off a pilot after a rough landing, just say "Carrier Landing, Bro!" as you exit the plane.
(A commercial pilot shared that with me....it's the equivalent of the "n-word" in aviation circles.
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Fuck that. Every time I debark I thank the gods I didn't die and thank the pilots and crew that I am able to go fetch my luggage.
 
eric_erosfan said:
Fuck that. Every time I debark I thank the gods I didn't die and thank the pilots and crew that I am able to go fetch my luggage.
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I flew into Cincinatti's northern Kentucky airport a few years back when they were extending the main runway that summer. Pilot got on the intercom and said "Folks, we'll be landing a little bit harder than usual because there is construction on the end of the runway...we'll have to apply our brakes early so make SURE your seatbelt is fastened. I swear that pilot nailed the brakes the second we touched the ground. Hardest non-military landing I've ever been involved in and that's saying something.
 
RobDownSouth said:
I flew into Cincinatti's northern Kentucky airport a few years back when they were extending the main runway that summer. Pilot got on the intercom and said "Folks, we'll be landing a little bit harder than usual because there is construction on the end of the runway...we'll have to apply our brakes early so make SURE your seatbelt is fastened. I swear that pilot nailed the brakes the second we touched the ground. Hardest non-military landing I've ever been involved in and that's saying something.
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I don't even remember which airport it was, but I had one landing that was so hard some of the overhead luggage bins popped open and luggage fell out. And as soon as we hit the ground it felt like a hard left turn and reverse thrust. Everyone lurched to the right and we were deafened by the engines trying to slow down the plane.

I always figured each landing does more wear and tear to a plane than millions of flight miles.
 
RobDownSouth said:
https://i.imgur.com/SyTcxhn.png

Seven commercial plane crashes in the first month of the Musk-Trump administration.
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And these crashes are just the precursor to the biggest crash of all, crashing the USA's Ship of State.

A madman behind the wheel is streaking directly toward a brick wall, with MAGAts cheering him on. Jonestown revisited.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/26/musk-starlink-doge-faa-verizon/

The FAA under the control of Musk is monetizing DOGE. It's the Government of Bribery and Corruption.
The Federal Aviation Administration is close to cancelling a $2.4 billion contract to overhaul a communications system that serves as the backbone of the nationā€™s air traffic control system and awarding the work to Elon Muskā€™s Starlink
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The move to cancel a major contract in favor of a venture led by Musk ā€” who is leading President Donald Trumpā€™s disruptive overhaul of the federal government through the U.S. DOGE Service ā€” would represent a significant test of protections against conflicts of interest in government projects. It would be an especially extraordinary step for the typically cautious FAA, whose systems are vital to the safety of millions of air travelers every day.
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What could go wrong? Musk will put his best script-kiddies on the project (probably including the one who cancelled an education program that aimed to transition children into adults). They know how to use Ctrl +F and that's what counts.
 
Bray123 said:
What could go wrong? Musk will put his best script-kiddies on the project (probably including the one who cancelled an education program that aimed to transition children into adults). They know how to use Ctrl +F and that's what counts.
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Musk, a trained physicist, insists that planes flying in a straight line airport-to-airport is the single biggest efficiency that commercial airliners can achieve. After all, the shortest difference between two points is a straight line, right? RIGHT?

Musk fails to account for;
  • Air traffic congestion over unrelated airports along the way.
  • Shortening air time by taking advantage of prevailing tailwinds and/or the jet stream
  • The simple fact that the Earth is round and this sometimes distorts the "straight line" travelled by airliners.
  • Travelling through the eye of a storm (or even a hurricane!) is technically possible, but makes for a miserable flying experience
  • Flying through wildfire and/or volcanic ash and smoke is a very real hazard and most pilots avoid them like crazy.

Here is a link to a number of aviation enthusiasts and pilots poking fun at Musk's lack of knowledge about the commercial air industry.
 
RobDownSouth said:
SpaceX fires a rocket up maybe 5 or 6 times a year.
The FAA is responsible for handling 45,000 flights per day.
Two completely separate and distinct skillsets.

When you buy a hot air balloon at the circus you are not in anyway qualified to pilot the Goodyear blimp, despite both the balloon and the blimp both containing helium.
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Ahā€¦ballonā€™s arenā€™t filled with helium. Theyā€™re called ā€œhot airā€ ballonā€™s for a reason. šŸ˜‰
 
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