Extremely Degenerate Smut

[lovecraft68]

Sometimes I'll read something truly degenerate, throw the iPad to the floor, curse the author for two days, then think: "Okay, this was hot, but it made me feel horrible. How would I make it feel good?"

Ultimately, the most off-putting thing for me is when an author puts you in a vulnerable state if mind ("Oh, this is dark, but I like it."), then pushes you off a ledge ("Oh my god. I'm an awful person, this is awful, I need a shower.").

I think this is behind a lot of the trolling of Incest, Non con, GM and cuck material

"You made me get off to something disgusting! I came, but here's a one you asshole."

 

[AG31]

I imagine I just experience a similar feeling to what lots of readers have here when they first discover that they're neither alone in being 'off' or in being a complete degenerate. It was kind of nice.

When I came to Lit in early 2001 I already knew that my particular tastes (BDSM) were widely shared. But I was happy to see, in the Fetish forum that lots of people have fairly strange tastes and I was glad that Lit was here for them to share, and perhaps find like minded people.

 

[ScrappyPaperDoodler]

I think this is behind a lot of the trolling of Incest, Non con, GM and cuck material

"You made me get off to something disgusting! I came, but here's a one you asshole."

Undoubtedly. There's a small group of readers who seem to wander into subjects they don't like despite the tags, author's notes, story descriptions, and categories... They're a lost cause as far as I'm concerned and will always hate what they enjoy most.

Then you have people who are genuinely curious. With them, it's 50/50, and I'd like to think that if we tackle kinks with skill and care, we can make more freaks like us. Not that I'm particularly freaky, but it's the thought that counts.

 

[JohnEngelman]

This is gonna be degenerate. I suppose that's a trigger warning for people.

So today I was working on a femdom story where this sophisticated lady basically raffles off her 'stupid boy' puppy (young college student) to older men, and as I was writing a scene where an older man made the young submissive get down on his knees and then the man proceeded to spray cool whip into his mouth and demanding he swallow it, over and over until he emptied two cans and the submissive was woozy, then the older man calmly undressed, folded his clothes, and face fucked the submissive mercilessly as all the cool whip came erupted back up and spewing out of the sides of his stuffed squirrel cheeks, and when the stupid puppy was as empty as the cans of cool whip, the man wiped himself clean, got dressed, and left.

And while I was writing this, I stopped and went to the content guidelines just to double check if vomit is allowed. I didn't see anything there discussing it, so I stepped outside of my comfortable and familiar BDSM category, searched for stories featuring such activity, and found many highly rated and popular stories featuring stomach contents... from both directions... and I don't think I'll ever take the southern route myself when writing, but when I discovered it, I had a very strange calmness and connection, what hippies would call oneness if you will.

I imagine I just experience a similar feeling to what lots of readers have here when they first discover that they're neither alone in being 'off' or in being a complete degenerate. It was kind of nice.

What kind of people would like that sort of thing?

 

[lovecraft68]

There's an old Jerry Springer episode where the guy got off on the woman throwing up on him, ( or they did it to each other, I forget exactly)

One thing this site has taught me is everything is someone's thing.

 

[dirk2024]

And while I was writing this, I stopped and went to the content guidelines just to double check if vomit is allowed. I didn't see anything there discussing it, so I stepped outside of my comfortable and familiar BDSM category, searched for stories featuring such activity, and found many highly rated and popular stories featuring stomach contents... from both directions... and I don't think I'll ever take the southern route myself when writing, but when I discovered it, I had a very strange calmness and connection, what hippies would call oneness if you will.

Please include the word 'vomit' in your story tags. Not everyone will want to read it.

 

[nice90sguy]

some of these "ick" fetishes (I'll admit to a few myself) remind me of the stuff I used to hear in the playground as a kid, e.g.

"What's the definition of agony?" "what's the definition of disgusting?" etc

IIRC The latter involved sucking diarrhea through a cheesy sock

 

[Andreas_Kreuz]

If I apply my real world criteria to "degenerate" I would say far more degenerate than puking or even scat is e. g. non SSC/RACK BDSM, and that accounts for a high percentage of BDSM stories. Or just as degenerate IRL is Incest. And it has a whole category of its own.

And while in many countries the age of consent is 14. The site rule makers consider these 4 years as "degenerate". (Which is their right, no argument by me)

 

[LegendInMyOwnMind]

If I apply my real world criteria to "degenerate" I would say far more degenerate than puking or even scat is e. g. non SSC/RACK BDSM, and that accounts for a high percentage of BDSM stories. Or just as degenerate IRL is Incest. And it has a whole category of its own.

And while in many countries the age of consent is 14. The site rule makers consider these 4 years as "degenerate". (Which is their right, no argument by me)

Mandated by US Laws that ridiculously over-define child pornography. It's not the rule maker's free choice.

 

[Andreas_Kreuz]

Mandated by US Laws that ridiculously over-define child pornography.

Being from Europe I pondered whether there would be any value in allowing stories covering these four years. And I came to the conclusion that for me there would be no value in it.

 

[OddLove]

If I apply my real world criteria to "degenerate" I would say far more degenerate than puking or even scat is e. g. non SSC/RACK BDSM, and that accounts for a high percentage of BDSM stories. Or just as degenerate IRL is Incest. And it has a whole category of its own.

And while in many countries the age of consent is 14. The site rule makers consider these 4 years as "degenerate". (Which is their right, no argument by me)

What does SSC/RACK stand for?

 

[Erozetta]

Re: vomiting.

Slaughtered vomit dolls.

It exists, it's a thing. And I watched it with friends...

 

[NuclearFairy]

What does SSC/RACK stand for?

Safe Sane Consensual/Risk Aware Consensual Kink. Honestly, not 100% that I remembered RACK properly.

 

[SimonDoom]

"Extremely Degenerate Smut" makes me think of Colonel Nathan Jessup's response in A Few Good Men to Daniel Kaffee's question about whether someone would be in "grave" danger. He said:

"Is there any other kind?"

 

[OddLove]

Undoubtedly. There's a small group of readers who seem to wander into subjects they don't like despite the tags, author's notes, story descriptions, and categories... They're a lost cause as far as I'm concerned and will always hate what they enjoy most.

This is painfully 100 percent true in my experience too. I've received comments and feedback through the email system thing from people who came to my femdom story, read it knowing it was femdom, then told me that my main male character needs to be more 'equal' to his female counterpart.

But I think that happens because there's group of femdom enjoyers who specifically love the sexual act of like femdom purely from a role playing perspective. But the idea of a 'female led relationship' where the woman is more smart, successful, driven, etc, deeply disturbs them to the core.

 

[Unblemished]

This is painfully 100 percent true in my experience too. I've received comments and feedback through the email system thing from people who came to my femdom story, read it knowing it was femdom, then told me that my main male character needs to be more 'equal' to his female counterpart.

But I think that happens because there's group of femdom enjoyers who specifically love the sexual act of like femdom purely from a role playing perspective. But the idea of a 'female led relationship' where the woman is more smart, successful, driven, etc, deeply disturbs them to the core.

There’s a different side to this, however: It’s common to see people who assume femdom must be cruel, degrading, and brutal for the guy, and it’s like…why do people think a female-dominant relationship goes hand in hand with male humiliation? Why does the idea of a guy not being in charge need to be associated with misery and pain? Not all femdom is like that, obviously, but there’s a lot of it.

It’s easy to read too much into people’s kinks, but “a girl being in charge is inherently taboo-breaking and emasculating” kinda makes you wonder sometimes.

 

[Andreas_Kreuz]

... It’s common to see people who assume femdom must be cruel, degrading, and brutal ...

Such an assumption not only exists in Femdom. There are so many stories where the assumption is that to discover submissiveness, a woman has to be backmailed, hijacked, coerced, abused ... And then she suddenly realizes that this is what she wanted all along.

 

[Unblemished]

Such an assumption not only exists in Femdom. There are so many stories where the assumption is that to discover submissiveness, a woman has to be backmailed, hijacked, coerced, abused ... And then she suddenly realizes that this is what she wanted all along.

Yeah, that too. There’s a world of difference between “woman wants to be submissive in bed” and “woman gets viciously brutalised in all aspects of her life”.

Obviously porn isn’t fully realistic and shouldn’t have to be. We’ve all been guilty of cliches now and again. But it’s strange to see which patterns get repeated.

 

[SimonDoom]

If I apply my real world criteria to "degenerate" I would say far more degenerate than puking or even scat is e. g. non SSC/RACK BDSM, and that accounts for a high percentage of BDSM stories. Or just as degenerate IRL is Incest. And it has a whole category of its own.

And while in many countries the age of consent is 14. The site rule makers consider these 4 years as "degenerate". (Which is their right, no argument by me)

I doubt the site rule makers consider it degenerate, just out of bounds for what they are trying to do here.

 

[OddLove]

There’s a different side to this, however: It’s common to see people who assume femdom must be cruel, degrading, and brutal for the guy, and it’s like…why do people think a female-dominant relationship goes hand in hand with male humiliation? Why does the idea of a guy not being in charge need to be associated with misery and pain? Not all femdom is like that, obviously, but there’s a lot of it.

It’s easy to read too much into people’s kinks, but “a girl being in charge is inherently taboo-breaking and emasculating” kinda makes you wonder sometimes.

I'm not sold on the idea that 'what someone thinks is taboo determines their kinks, fetishes, desires, attraction, etc'

And that's definitely the problem with 'reading into it'

But I think we're all guilty of arrogantly reading into someone's sexuality and kinks, then assigning reason through our own perspective. Even going so far as assigning secret/closeted reasons, or even subconscious taboos said person doesn't even understand themselves... but we do. We know why they're into it lol

Honestly, it's probably an unavoidable and unshakable arrogance. We can have those moments where we step back and say "I don't know"

We just have to fake certainty at some level to keep sanity in tact. At the VERY LEAST we have to assume our consciousness is real, whether we believe it's something exciting like a magical force linked to a soul, or just a random byproduct of sensory input, memory storage, and processing abilities combined together to create a machine that's aware of it's self.

But at a certain point, lumping on more and more assumptions goes beyond 'Just trying to stay sane here' levels and eventually reaches 'I'm an all knowing god!'

To complicate things further, I don't think we can even know where that line is. We're all reasonable by our own standards.

Me personally, I THINK I like brutal emasculating femdom kink in combination with a loving and respectful female led relationship D/s dynamic because I find bratty entitled woman sexy, and I don't think they should ever be bothered with such trivial activities like doing the dishes or laundry. I'll handle the little things thank you very much, my Queen.

 

[SimonDoom]

I'm not sold on the idea that 'what someone thinks is taboo determines their kinks, fetishes, desires, attraction, etc'

And that's definitely the problem with 'reading into it'

But I think we're all guilty of arrogantly reading into someone's sexuality and kinks, then assigning reason through our own perspective. Even going so far as assigning secret/closeted reasons, or even subconscious taboos said person doesn't even understand themselves... but we do. We know why they're into it lol

I agree. We --I think many if not most of us do this at least some of the time--see other people's kinks through the prism of our own experience. What's more interesting is trying to imagine how other people can get to a kink through a completely different path from our own.

Not everybody is influenced by taboo, but some are, heavily. Some like humiliation and degradation, for all kinds of reasons.

I don't think there's something inherently degrading about femdom, but I can easily imagine how for some it might seem that way, and that there would be a natural or appealing connection between the two for them.

 

[SimonDoom]

Question to everyone here: has your concept of "degenerate" changed over time? Has your taste for it evolved?

In my case, I would say my taste for "degenerate" erotica evolved and increased in the late 90s and 2000s, when the Internet and Internet erotica was still new, then plateaued, and in some ways has retreated since then. The early Internet was the wild west. There were some truly sicko stories that I read out of a sense of fascination, but then lost interest in. Literotica was far wilder in 2008 than it is now.

My tastes were rather simple and vanilla before the Internet. I can recall thinking a shaved pubic area looked weird. I can't recall having any particularly fetishistic interests.

 

[ScrappyPaperDoodler]

The right writer can make "degenerate" content compelling. One approach is to make the reader complicit in the degeneracy, instead of a powerless witness. But you have to give them an off-ramp at some stage.

I don't think you can divorce the impact of the internet from things like globalisation, American cultural imperialism, feminism, etc... Pornography is a byproduct of social and economic forces. OnlyFans is a prime example of this, but other social media set the stage for self-commodification. In a strange way, it's made women in particular more comfortable with aspects of pornography that were perhaps the most problematic — financially exploitative, blurring the distinction between real and unreal, reducing human beings to their physical appearance, and having inadequate safeguards for both consumers and performers.

Because most of us write for free, we are less affected by "the market." Still, our readers are shaped by prevailing narratives around sexuality (same for the authors).

 

[mousberry]

but other social media set the stage for self-commodification. In a strange way, it's made women in particular more comfortable with aspects of pornography that were perhaps the most problematic

Something to be said about the commodification of intimacy on the other side as well. Capitalism and social media have isolated people and repackaged the much needed love and care a human needs into a saleable product, whether that be pornography or para-social content like streaming.

I think in a way it's why incest porn has become so popular. Whether it's a mother, father, brother or sister, you get some version of familial love in a very vulgar and extreme mode. I hope it's not true because it makes me sad to think about.

Thank you for the post anyway I thought it was very interesting.

 

[SimonDoom]

The right writer can make "degenerate" content compelling. One approach is to make the reader complicit in the degeneracy, instead of a powerless witness. But you have to give them an off-ramp at some stage.

I don't think you can divorce the impact of the internet from things like globalisation, American cultural imperialism, feminism, etc... Pornography is a byproduct of social and economic forces. OnlyFans is a prime example of this, but other social media set the stage for self-commodification. In a strange way, it's made women in particular more comfortable with aspects of pornography that were perhaps the most problematic — financially exploitative, blurring the distinction between real and unreal, reducing human beings to their physical appearance, and having inadequate safeguards for both consumers and performers.

Because most of us write for free, we are less affected by "the market." Still, our readers are shaped by prevailing narratives around sexuality (same for the authors).

I take a somewhat different view. There's good and bad in everything, but I'd say that in general attitudes about sex are a lot better than they used to be, and one of the reasons for that is its commodification. What is commodification? It means that an individual has control over some aspect of their body or sexuality and the terms on which they wish to exchange it with another person. That is, IMO, on balance a good thing. The alternative, or de-commodification, is a central authority telling us how we are to value and exchange our sexuality and criminalizing things when we want to do things differently.

A back massage is a commodity. Nobody thinks twice about that, or thinks that humans are being devalued because they give back massages for money. Why not blow jobs, too?

Women are more comfortable with pornography now than ever before because a) some women enjoy it, and b) women have more control over it than ever before, with communication and photography technology and social media platforms enabling women to deliver content while getting rid of male middle-men.