fag,poofter,dyke,carpet muncher

[glamorilla]

Zippy~where your concerned...I think youre one of the sweetest guys,but you arent getting it.You dont know what its like to successfully make a company lots of money to hear your boss refer to you as "some fag" or to lose an apartment you really want becouse the board commity is concerned about "gay orgies" ...you're clearly victemizing yourself which makes me sad. I didnt think think youd have it in you. I learned the hard wat to accept everyone based on what they project.

 

[zipman]

Zippy~where your concerned...I think youre one of the sweetest guys,but you arent getting it.You dont know what its like to successfully make a company lots of money to hear your boss refer to you as "some fag" or to lose an apartment you really want becouse the board commity is concerned about "gay orgies" ...you're clearly victemizing yourself which makes me sad. I didnt think think youd have it in you. I learned the hard wat to accept everyone based on what they project.

Actually Glam, I have experienced just that, just not based on my sexual orientation, but on my religion. I was denied a junior membership to a country club in Westchester for being Jewish, fired from jobs for taking off Jewish Holidays and have heard friends and coworkers say things like "well, did you Jew him down or did you pay full-price."

I'm not playing the victim, you and queersetti are. I won't justify that kind of behavior and I won't perpetuate it either. Sexuality, religion, race - does it really make a difference why someone is targeted, discriminated against or attacked?

I can be proud of my religion without bashing Catholics and Christians. Can't you be gay without bashing heterosexuals?

 

[glamorilla]

well personally I love heterosexual men.

They're some of the best sex I've ever had.

 

[Queersetti]

First of all, I don't recall reading anywhere in this thread anyone denying the sad treatment of homosexuals by bigoted heterosexuals.

What I saw was Gil pointing out that the gay community can be bigoted as well, a point which I agree with having dealt with it for many years in the restaurant business.

Discrimination and bigotry are worng regardless of who does it. The fact that the bigotry and discrimination endured by gays is far worse than what most heterosexuals experience does not justify it in the least.

I thought this thread was about derogatory terms. I saw no reason for it turn into a pissing contest about hardships endured.

As a Jew, who went to inner city schools, I experienced a lot of bigotry and had my ass kicked for it numerous times. Does the fact that it happened because of religious beliefs make it any less harmful or damaging than if it was because of my sexuality?

If anything, it made me more sensitive to what others endure, not less sensitive. It also made me a lot less tolerant of others when I saw them do it.



Queersetti - your last post was dissappointing. Nobody said that or advocated it, as you well know.

It's a perfectly apt analogy.

When we object to being marginalized, we are accused of intolerance.

When we refuse to accept second class citizenship, we are told that we are asking for "special rights".

When we point out bigoted assumptions, we are told that others have suffered too, and so we should be quiet.

 

[zipman]

It's a perfectly apt analogy.

When we object to being marginalized, we are accused of intolerance.

When we refuse to accept second class citizenship, we are told that we are asking for "special rights".

When we point out bigoted assumptions, we are told that others have suffered too, and so we should be quiet.

Who told you to be quiet?

I doubt you will find a bigger supporter of gay rights on these boards than I am. I am for gay marriages, gay adoptions, equal medical and health benefits etc. etc. etc. I supported these things because I believe them to be right, and regardless of your intolerance, I will continue to do so.

Bigotry and intolerance are wrong regardless of who does it, and it doesn't matter if it's for religion, sexual orientation race or gender. Period.

I won't be posting here again.

 

[Queersetti]

Who told you to be quiet?

I doubt you will find a bigger supporter of gay rights on these boards than I am. I am for gay marriages, gay adoptions, equal medical and health benefits etc. etc. etc. I supported these things because I believe them to be right, and regardless of your intolerance, I will continue to do so.

Bigotry and intolerance are wrong regardless of who does it, and it doesn't matter if it's for religion, sexual orientation race or gender. Period.

I won't be posting here again.

You are personalizing comments that were not directed towards you.

No one told you that you were not welcome to post here. Who is playing victim now?

 

[glamorilla]

I think Zip needs a hug...

 

[Queersetti]

I think Zip needs a hug...

I have no problem with Zip, which makes his insistence on taking every mention of straight privilege as a personal insult frustrating.

I am getting damn tired of being accused of being intolerant of heterosexuals simply because I will not agree that there is some sort of parity in discrimination between the gay and straight communities.

Should gays insult straights for their sexuality?

No, of course not.

But do I believe that gay discrimination against straights is a problem in any way comparable to straight discrimination against gays?

No, absolutely not. And I reject the notion that holding that opinion makes me intolerant.

 

[Silverluna]

the worst name i have been called has got to be
Never~ " Half-gay" and "gay-atto" ....not really bad names but no one else has called me anything....^_^

 

[Queersetti]

http://www.exile.ru/110/gay2.jpg

 

[Silverluna]

arrr matey!

 

[Gil_Favor]

If not seeing your being called a name once by gays as equivalent to Matthew Sheppard dying tied to a fence makes me intolerant, then so be it. I can live with that.

What happened to Matthew Sheppard was indeed tragic,

As was the rape and murder of 13 year old Jesse Dirkhising.

Do you know who he was?

There is intolerance and in every community, even the gay community.

I came to this forum because I wanted some insight, and understanding, of myself and others.


I have learned quite a bit................

 

[MzChrista]

Who told you to be quiet?

I doubt you will find a bigger supporter of gay rights on these boards than I am. I am for gay marriages, gay adoptions, equal medical and health benefits etc. etc. etc. I supported these things because I believe them to be right, and regardless of your intolerance, I will continue to do so.

Bigotry and intolerance are wrong regardless of who does it, and it doesn't matter if it's for religion, sexual orientation race or gender. Period.

I won't be posting here again.

You know, I have lots of black friends and I am 100% for them being totally equal in society in every regard.

But that dont mean I know what its like to be black or I have the right to tell black people how they ought to react to things that are said about them.

 

[Queersetti]

What happened to Matthew Sheppard was indeed tragic,

As was the rape and murder of 13 year old Jesse Dirkhising.

Do you know who he was?

There is intolerance and in every community, even the gay community.

I came to this forum because I wanted some insight, and understanding, of myself and others.


I have learned quite a bit................

Of course there is intolerance in every community. No one questions that. But to posit a parity between the discrimination by straights against gays and that by gays against straights in our society is absurd. If you were to concede that point, I don' know that we would have any disagreement.

No, I do not know who Jesse Dirkhising was. I would be happy if you would enlighten me.

 

[glamorilla]

nellie.

 

[Queersetti]

It's interesting that when I Googled "Jesse Dirkhising" I got page after page of links to anti-gay right wing extremist websites.

 

[Netzach]

Guess some kid got killed by gay guys.

As opposed to the sloughs of women and kids killed by hetero husbands and dads. Yes, we have a man bites dog story and oh my God let's milk it for all it's worth.

While we're at it, I suppose A Wuornos means that guys better lock their doors at night, the female serial killers are on the prowl.

However: I do think that Zip had a valid point, in that you can't assume that since someone's het they have no idea what oppression feels like. I think most people know, I think very few of us fit a mold of total privilege. The hard part is acknowledging the privileged parts and knowing where your firsthand knowledge falls short (what Mz. Christa said)

If you don't think anti-Seimitism is alive and well, either, guess again.

 

[Queersetti]

Guess some kid got killed by gay guys.

As opposed to the sloughs of women and kids killed by hetero husbands and dads. Yes, we have a man bites dog story and oh my God let's milk it for all it's worth.

While we're at it, I suppose A Wuornos means that guys better lock their doors at night, the female serial killers are on the prowl.

However: I do think that Zip had a valid point, in that you can't assume that since someone's het they have no idea what oppression feels like. I think most people know, I think very few of us fit a mold of total privilege. The hard part is acknowledging the privileged parts and knowing where your firsthand knowledge falls short (what Mz. Christa said)

If you don't think anti-Seimitism is alive and well, either, guess again.

I think Zip has a very valid point, discrimination against many groups still persists in our society.

The issue is one of proportionality. As Glam pointed out, for example, straights have a vast and ever expanding lexicon of derogatory terms they use for gays, gays have , as far as I can tell, one such term that gets thrown back at straights. And yet, in the eyes of some straights, the name calling is somehow "even".

That's the part I'm not buying.

 

[glamorilla]

maracon.

 

[Queersetti]

finocchio

 

[PoliteSuccubus]

The same thing can be said between the sexes as well.

The terms used to put down women are wide and varied and the terms used to put down men are usually refering to them with women like traits etc.

"Don't be a pussy"
"He's pussy whipped."
"You throw like a girl."

Ad nasum.

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

it seems to me that the origin of this particular thread was lost in the ruckus between lit posters. I will concede 2 very important points: that there is and always has been all kinds of discrimination against most that are not in the top 1% (white, male, rich, hetero and christian...)
and 2: most people who are open-minded will at some time or another discover discrimination being directed at them...As a person of mixed heritage and extremely mixed sexual orientation, allow me to say one thing...discrimination is NEVER right...no matter who does it.
I know what it is like to be discriminated against..for my personal beliefs, my sexuality, my COLOR, the fact that i have never been married..(the list is quite extensive) Using that as a reason to generalize about any one belief or groups of people would put me in the exact same boat as the idiots who have caused ME pain and anger...I refuse to sink to their levels..and I am somewhat taken aback to see this ocuring here on this BOARD....
I love You guys...iMHO...everyone here is awesome..but please let's not generalize all people in a certain class by the assholes that cause us pain...
(RANT OVER)
PET

 

[glamorilla]

well said pet. i started this thread as a joke~i'm actually very pleased with the direction it took.

 

[Pookie]

What each of us experiences from name calling, discrimination, etc. can be quite varied. It's difficult for a straight person to fully understand what it feels like to deal with the discrimination, insults, etc. non-straight people experience. It's the same with discrimination based on gender. It happens in different ways. I wouldn't expect a gay man to fully understand the discrimination I may deal with as a woman. It's different.

As a bisexual, I have been excluded because I was thought of as a pervert. As a chick, I have been excluded because I was thought of as not being good enough or capable of something. Both are misconceptions based on ignorance. Both hurt me in different ways too. But it's still a hurt.

 

[Gil_Favor]

It's interesting that when I Googled "Jesse Dirkhising" I got page after page of links to anti-gay right wing extremist websites.

You see it as right wing anti gay websites,And i will concede that you have a point. But,

I see it as a 13 year old boy was raped and murdered by two men.Suffocated with his own underwear

He is just as dead as Matthew Sheppard.

He is better off dead....................