Fairy Tales = Subs = Abuse

[TaintedB]

"Two households, both alike in dignity," [take that, o ye revilers!]).

Heh. I prefer this depiction, "come up on different streets, they both were streets of shame, both dirty both mean, yes and the dream was just the same" but I agree with you about the revilers.

 

[arctic-stranger]

Heh. I prefer this depiction, "come up on different streets, they both were streets of shame, both dirty both mean, yes and the dream was just the same" but I agree with you about the revilers.

have you gotten the new springsteen yet?

 

[arctic-stranger]

Heh. I prefer this depiction, "come up on different streets, they both were streets of shame, both dirty both mean, yes and the dream was just the same" but I agree with you about the revilers.[/QUOTE


ooops! My bad....i dont know why i thought this was springsteen....

Dire Straits....sorry....and that is one of my favorite songs too...sigh...i can blame it on....on...on the fact that I got the new Springsteen album and it has my head addled...

 

[graceanne]

yes, and they are so pc, i never use them. No wonder our kids are really screwed up about religion.

The one I have my mom bought me when I was a kid, and it's not PC, it just leaves out song of songs and stuff like that. Plus the pictures are so great, the kids love them.

 

[graceanne]

Thanks for clearing that up. The rest of that story sounds pretty hot! Wish you had posted it. I was kind of wondering why it ended after just one rough blow job.

FWIW, I've never felt that anybody except the person I was with could tell I'd just had sex. Not even after my atypical first time. :/ I'm self-conscious as hell, so it's surprising that this hadn't occured to me. But thanks A LOT Grace, while I'm not the most active fuckbunny on the planet the next time I do it, I'll be wondering later if other people can guess. Oh joy. :/ :/ :/

LOL No one can tell, but I'm really paranoid. Add to that that the first time I had sex I was living with my mom, and she'd have KILLED me.

 

[graceanne]

Is Cinderella a submissive? I never got that feel off her one way or another. I just thought she did what she needed to survive a a very rough situation. Also, I still think that popular music of the "love will find a way" variety incorporate the Cinderella complex (or other complexes) into the female brain much more insidiously and thoroughly than fairytales do. It's interesting to look at what pop music is doing these days: I think it is influencing a lot of sexually straight women to attempt to be submissive sluts, as the "Cinderella" message in the songs these days is that's how you get the man, lol. But a lot of the songs are so very cynical that this influence gets counteracted some, I think.

Well, I always saw her as a submissive. Have you ever seen Ever After with Drew Barrymore? Cinderella could have made her step mothers life a lot more difficult, but instad she was . .. well a floor mat.

Another very powerful source of the Cinderella myth are fashion and even gossip magazines. Doll yourself up with all these expensive products and clothes we're trying to sell you (and which change each year so that the companies selling these useless goods can keep duping you into buying more), sit passively someplace in public, and the man of your dreams will be so smitten by your appearance when he walks by that he'll sweep you off your feet and marry you, nevermind WTF your personality might be like. That's the message those rags convey, at least to me.

Yes, their are lots of things that are as bad as fairy tales for teaching the prince charming myth. If someone is determined enough, they'll find something like that.

How do you know that your mom didn't get that attitude from music or magazines or even from all the really stupid romantic movies and TV shows there are out there that depict similar themes? I have a lot of sisters. One of them is super emotional and when growing up as kids, she adored watching extremely melodramatic old movies (from the 50s--there were a lot of that type made then) and soap operas. You know, the ones that depict this really sick--well, to me--level of emotional gamesmanship? She also believed in the Cinderella idea as far as I could determine, and seemed to get it from the films she saw, but the stuff they do in those movies is often much more warped than the orginal fairy tale. Like for instance, on-again, off-again relationships that go through their insane rollercoaster rides due to extremely stupid misunderstandings that either person could have put an end to if they had just bohered to talk honestly to each other rather than having these extreme and totally false fantasies about the the other person.

I know cause she'd sit me down and give me hour long lectures on how Prince Charming wasn't going to ride up on his white horse and save me. (In other words I was stuck with her.)

Anyway, the point of bringing up that sister was that she was always this way, and sought out those movies and TV shows because they appealed to her basic personality so strongly. That's the trouble with having lots of siblings very close in age: the nature-nurtue issue gets very confusing. Four girls all born within one year of each other, all heard the same fairy tales as kids, and each of us not only grew into adults with extremely different personalities and tendencies but seem to have been born with them. It is confusing.

My sister is 15 months younger than me, and how in the world we're related is totally beyond me. On the other hand, even though we were raised together, we were raised very differently. I was expected from day one to be an adult, and my sister was never required to grow up. She was the 'baby', and therefore got spoiled rotten. I can't remember how many beatings I took for her, cause I was the 'older' one. (By a whole fricken year!)

 

[arctic-stranger]

check this out: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/01/books/review/01HARRISO.html