Finally... Justice in Florida (not about Terri)

[Guest]

Oh yeah, nothing like good beating to teach a child to behave himself.

I remember when I was in school. My teachers ignored me, my 'peers' used me for entertainment and my parents just couldn't be bothered. My only constant companions were humiliation, fear and anger.

When, as it often did, it became too much, they sure put me in my place in a hurry. Out came the strap, and the lessons about behaving were pounded home with enthusiasm.

And when I got home I got another. How dare I act anyway other than as a calm, well adjusted kid?

And the next day I got a shit kicking from my fellows students because they knew that them treating me that way would start the cycle over again. It was fun for them to watch.

I sure learned a lot from all that.

You've talked about your childhood before, rg, and it always makes me sad to think of what you had to endure.

It is part of who you are now, of course. Maybe that's why you are so kind and are always looking out for others?

At any rate, I totally agree with your stance on beating a child. Can you imagine? A parent is slapping a child repeatedly, telling them never to hit someone who is smaller than they are (their little brother or sister, perhaps) while the parent who is bigger is hitting the child . . .

 

[rgraham666]

You've talked about your childhood before, rg, and it always makes me sad to think of what you had to endure.

It is part of who you are now, of course. Maybe that's why you are so kind and are always looking out for others?

At any rate, I totally agree with your stance on beating a child. Can you imagine? A parent is slapping a child repeatedly, telling them never to hit someone who is smaller than they are (their little brother or sister, perhaps) while the parent who is bigger is hitting the child . . .

Somehow I knew I only had two choices. Become the way I am know, or become like the people who made my life hell.

Why would I want to become something I hated and feared?

 

[Weird Harold]

What has happened here, really?

A child who was too disruptive to be handled by public education officials was removed from the situation before she managed to harm another child, a staff member, or herself.

And as Abs said, we do not know the prior history. Perhaps this was indeed the last resort for the district. Maybe this child had been a serious disruptive influence for months, maybe the district received no support from the parent when they previously called, maybe there was no other choice?

I think the mom's response, "They set my baby up." is quite telling. How did the school district set her baby up? By seeking a different disciplinary alternative this time?

Good points.

Personally, I think the outrage is overblown and the mother's comment does suggest a "history" in this case that isn't revealed by the news story.

I think if more five year olds got a trip in police car when they lost control like this girl did, there would be fewer massacres like the one in MN. I can't think of a better way to impress on a child that such behvior is unacceptable no matter how much her parents refuse to think ill of her.

 

[impressive]

I think if more five year olds got a trip in police car when they lost control like this girl did, there would be fewer massacres like the one in MN. I can't think of a better way to impress on a child that such behvior is unacceptable no matter how much her parents refuse to think ill of her.

It depends on whether or not the behavior was the manifestation of a disability. If you tell a child they'll be punished if they sneeze, then blow pepper in her face -- any such punishment then borders on abuse.

If there's a history, then there should have been evaluations conducted to determine if the child has a disorder affecting behavior.

 

[Weird Harold]

It depends on whether or not the behavior was the manifestation of a disability. If you tell a child they'll be punished if they sneeze, then blow pepper in her face -- any such punishment then borders on abuse.

I think that if there were a known disability, this never would have happened. Just based on the description of events in the news story, it papers that the child has never been denied anything an throwing a tantrum works on her parents when they try to deny her something -- on the surface, it looks to me like just a case of a spoiled brat having a "meltdown."

I'm not suggesting that EVERY five year old be arrested when they misbehave or that the possibility of a disability of some sort should be discounted or ignored, but...

I'm of the opinion that many diagnosed "behavioral disablities" are nothing more than a lack of discipline and most of them don't require any drugs to control. Genuine behavioral disablities do exist, but the numbers are far less than are diagnosed.

 

[impressive]

Genuine behavioral disablities do exist, but the numbers are far less than are diagnosed.

Agreed.