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Why I am a Democrat
Riff and Lavender covered the ground most articulately. It amuses me greatly that people have so much trouble with affiliating with a political party. The puerile maunderings of the dropouts from the process amuse me greatly. Thank your lucky stars that the majority of us believe in the system - flawed as it might be. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. God, even Libertarians believe in something.
Democrats, fot the most part, believe that government can and does make a difference in the lives of people. I suppose that is why I have spent 2/3 of my professional life in public service - and why I accepted an appointment by a Democratic governor of one of the 50 states to lead a complex technological area - when most of my peers are retired and leading the "good life." I only wish that more people could experience the satisfaction of seeing how government programs help people - people who cannot help themselves.
Riff and Lavender covered the ground most articulately. It amuses me greatly that people have so much trouble with affiliating with a political party. The puerile maunderings of the dropouts from the process amuse me greatly. Thank your lucky stars that the majority of us believe in the system - flawed as it might be. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. God, even Libertarians believe in something.
Democrats, fot the most part, believe that government can and does make a difference in the lives of people. I suppose that is why I have spent 2/3 of my professional life in public service - and why I accepted an appointment by a Democratic governor of one of the 50 states to lead a complex technological area - when most of my peers are retired and leading the "good life." I only wish that more people could experience the satisfaction of seeing how government programs help people - people who cannot help themselves.
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You said:
16. They don't believe that the Donna Reed, June Cleaver era was the best in American history.
Bonzo. You're forgetting Bonzo. I guess the reason you're forgetting Bonzo is because his presidency hardly yielded the results deserving of the hype surrounding him. But it is true, "I like Ike" has been supplanted by the "Ronald Reagan won the cold war," crowd.
Of course, even Bonzo and his crowd believed that the Reed-Cleaver era was the best in history.
By the way, I found it very interesting that you used icons to represent an era. When you mentioned them, I could just see all of these all-white suburban neighborhoods with white houses in a row... the picket fences... husbands in their business suits coming home to be greeted by perfectly submissive and delicious wives before leaving again to go to a KKK meeting.... LOL
You said:
16. They don't believe that the Donna Reed, June Cleaver era was the best in American history.
Bonzo. You're forgetting Bonzo. I guess the reason you're forgetting Bonzo is because his presidency hardly yielded the results deserving of the hype surrounding him. But it is true, "I like Ike" has been supplanted by the "Ronald Reagan won the cold war," crowd.
Of course, even Bonzo and his crowd believed that the Reed-Cleaver era was the best in history.
By the way, I found it very interesting that you used icons to represent an era. When you mentioned them, I could just see all of these all-white suburban neighborhoods with white houses in a row... the picket fences... husbands in their business suits coming home to be greeted by perfectly submissive and delicious wives before leaving again to go to a KKK meeting.... LOL
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BB said....
"Everyone that I know that is affiliated with a political party, regardless of what it's called, is a thinking human being. You'd have to be. People debate politics all the time because the different parties have different philosophies."
Just because one debates, just because one might be educated, just because one might be human (top of the food chain) - and just because one "says" that they think - hell - just because one "thinks/belives" that they think.....
Doe not necessarily mean that they actually do - Think.
Ya know? The 23rd cow down the line - heading toward afternoon milking - "thinks" she's special. But - she's just a cow.
As for alligning oneself with a political party because of "the system." Ha! Total shit! That's exactly what that 23rd cow thinks too!!!!
Even though most arrogant humans are in fact, at the top of the food chain - and even though they, "think that they think," - in reality - they are still "IN THE FOOD CHAIN!"
The "system" IS - the food chain.
I fucking hate food chains, as I hate systems - I hate chains, period - I never blind myself to my chains. As most so-called "thinking/debating" humans do.
BLINDER'S ON EVERYONE!!!!
You are all (many of you) blind to the chains that bind you.
Because you really "don't think" - it's too hard for you. But - it's really not - it only takes a little extra effort.
It's just easier to except the system.
Not me - kicking and screamin' is the only way to go - you won't catch Sparky walkin' into no oven. You won't catch Sparky thinking that just because something works on some level - that it can't be much, much better. You won't catch Sparky joining clubs for any reasons other that personal, selfish gain. You won't catch Sparky agreeing with people just because they happen to be in a majority. You won't catch Sparky being anything other that a total supreme individual.
Sparky follows no one.
I am a rock - I am an island. The only way to be
"Everyone that I know that is affiliated with a political party, regardless of what it's called, is a thinking human being. You'd have to be. People debate politics all the time because the different parties have different philosophies."
Just because one debates, just because one might be educated, just because one might be human (top of the food chain) - and just because one "says" that they think - hell - just because one "thinks/belives" that they think.....
Doe not necessarily mean that they actually do - Think.
Ya know? The 23rd cow down the line - heading toward afternoon milking - "thinks" she's special. But - she's just a cow.
As for alligning oneself with a political party because of "the system." Ha! Total shit! That's exactly what that 23rd cow thinks too!!!!
Even though most arrogant humans are in fact, at the top of the food chain - and even though they, "think that they think," - in reality - they are still "IN THE FOOD CHAIN!"
The "system" IS - the food chain.
I fucking hate food chains, as I hate systems - I hate chains, period - I never blind myself to my chains. As most so-called "thinking/debating" humans do.
BLINDER'S ON EVERYONE!!!!
You are all (many of you) blind to the chains that bind you.
Because you really "don't think" - it's too hard for you. But - it's really not - it only takes a little extra effort.
It's just easier to except the system.
Not me - kicking and screamin' is the only way to go - you won't catch Sparky walkin' into no oven. You won't catch Sparky thinking that just because something works on some level - that it can't be much, much better. You won't catch Sparky joining clubs for any reasons other that personal, selfish gain. You won't catch Sparky agreeing with people just because they happen to be in a majority. You won't catch Sparky being anything other that a total supreme individual.
Sparky follows no one.
I am a rock - I am an island. The only way to be
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I never said anyone did not have a brain.
Everyone has a brain - they just don't use it.
Oh - "they think" they use it - and why wouldn't they?
Most everyone thinks that, "they are so smart and intelligent," - right? Don't they?
I know they have brains, we all have a brain - I simply think "human arrogance" regarding their own intelligence (or brains) - is self-inflated - and that in fact - the little thinking they actually do - is, well - little thinking.
Especially when it is "governed" or "squelched" or "filtered" by "conditioning" brought on by "systems."
You see - you can't see the problem - if you can't see the problem - if you don't have the proper glasses - or more direct - blinders (blinders that you are in fact unaware of) blind you to the truth.
And what becomes easiest is to say to oneself - "I think, I'm smart, I know I don't have any blinders on."
All I ask is for people to think - or to pretend if you will - or to ask what if of themselves - "What if Sparky is right?" "What if I do have blinders on that I don't know about?"
What if?
BTW - I'm certainly not for "power to the people" - nope. I want it all for myself.
Everyone has a brain - they just don't use it.
Oh - "they think" they use it - and why wouldn't they?
Most everyone thinks that, "they are so smart and intelligent," - right? Don't they?
I know they have brains, we all have a brain - I simply think "human arrogance" regarding their own intelligence (or brains) - is self-inflated - and that in fact - the little thinking they actually do - is, well - little thinking.
Especially when it is "governed" or "squelched" or "filtered" by "conditioning" brought on by "systems."
You see - you can't see the problem - if you can't see the problem - if you don't have the proper glasses - or more direct - blinders (blinders that you are in fact unaware of) blind you to the truth.
And what becomes easiest is to say to oneself - "I think, I'm smart, I know I don't have any blinders on."
All I ask is for people to think - or to pretend if you will - or to ask what if of themselves - "What if Sparky is right?" "What if I do have blinders on that I don't know about?"
What if?
BTW - I'm certainly not for "power to the people" - nope. I want it all for myself.
im a big joiner
lord, oh lord, am i joiner.
i have joined, what i would call society.
though being a loner is great -- want a shirt? buy some land, plant some cotton, wait a while, harvest, clean, go through whatever the fuck steps it takes to make thread, get to sewing. Now the buttons.... im no plastic manufacturing, but you could always use whale ivory or elephant tusks... Want it in Red????????
Yeah, sure are a lot of loners kicking about these days.......
lord, oh lord, am i joiner.
i have joined, what i would call society.
though being a loner is great -- want a shirt? buy some land, plant some cotton, wait a while, harvest, clean, go through whatever the fuck steps it takes to make thread, get to sewing. Now the buttons.... im no plastic manufacturing, but you could always use whale ivory or elephant tusks... Want it in Red????????
Yeah, sure are a lot of loners kicking about these days.......
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So dza? You know me now huh?
You know then that I have a huge, very loving, tightnit, Irish (very nice alcohol friendly folks) Catholic (bullshit but it's there) family - a loving Irish wife and 3 beautiful strapping sons from 18 to nearly 2. You would know that my sons are the bright stars of my life and I do everything I can to spend more time with them.
You know that at work I am very highly regarded and have been promoted from within my entire career (even though I think the people I work for are very near evil) - You'd know that my profession, my superiors who think so highly of me - have sent me all over the world to do their business.
And you know too that in RL I am very gregarious and friendly and have many friends. So much so that it makes me feel quietly that I/we simply can't see them all as much as we'd like to.
You would know also that I do join clubs - I'm a member of my motorcycle's owner's association - where I have great fun and keep up with all the latest cool shit to do on my bike. Where in fact - on their website and in RL when I meet up with them - I'm known as none other that Sparky Kronkite.
You would know too that I was once (we were all programmed to use the term/word "former") a member of a very elite club - a former US Marine - once your a member there - you're a member for life.
And of course you would know how important the comradere' of the Lit board has become in my life - a place to exchange ideas - and a place to think.
Yes you are right - I think the insipid/humorless topics (many of which have already been flogged to death months ago) - are not only a waste of board space - but a waste of the human mind. And so you would know (it would follow right) that I prefer to do just what I am doing now - discuss "thought" and the human thought process.
But it's hard when many can't ask "what if." It's hard when many can't pretend that they just may be unintended slaves to their own society. And it's hard when people jump right at you with the assumption that you are a woeful, bemoaning, loaner.
But hard things never were anything less than fun for Sparky. Hard is fun. Especially if I can simple get one person - one person - to think about these things.
But ya know what the most fun? Being different from you.
God I love it here. We're havin' some fun now.
You know then that I have a huge, very loving, tightnit, Irish (very nice alcohol friendly folks) Catholic (bullshit but it's there) family - a loving Irish wife and 3 beautiful strapping sons from 18 to nearly 2. You would know that my sons are the bright stars of my life and I do everything I can to spend more time with them.
You know that at work I am very highly regarded and have been promoted from within my entire career (even though I think the people I work for are very near evil) - You'd know that my profession, my superiors who think so highly of me - have sent me all over the world to do their business.
And you know too that in RL I am very gregarious and friendly and have many friends. So much so that it makes me feel quietly that I/we simply can't see them all as much as we'd like to.
You would know also that I do join clubs - I'm a member of my motorcycle's owner's association - where I have great fun and keep up with all the latest cool shit to do on my bike. Where in fact - on their website and in RL when I meet up with them - I'm known as none other that Sparky Kronkite.
You would know too that I was once (we were all programmed to use the term/word "former") a member of a very elite club - a former US Marine - once your a member there - you're a member for life.
And of course you would know how important the comradere' of the Lit board has become in my life - a place to exchange ideas - and a place to think.
Yes you are right - I think the insipid/humorless topics (many of which have already been flogged to death months ago) - are not only a waste of board space - but a waste of the human mind. And so you would know (it would follow right) that I prefer to do just what I am doing now - discuss "thought" and the human thought process.
But it's hard when many can't ask "what if." It's hard when many can't pretend that they just may be unintended slaves to their own society. And it's hard when people jump right at you with the assumption that you are a woeful, bemoaning, loaner.
But hard things never were anything less than fun for Sparky. Hard is fun. Especially if I can simple get one person - one person - to think about these things.
But ya know what the most fun? Being different from you.
God I love it here. We're havin' some fun now.
lavender said:
The concept of joining a political party is an odd one. By joining a political party you align yourself with whatever the party changes and grows to be. Henceforth someone who used to be aligned with the party of Barry Goldwater is now aligned with the party of Bob Jones U.
COnversely were you a staunch supporter of the Democrats you would have to defend their drive towards the center.
Many moderate members of both parties(And, indeed, the fringe members of both parties) are uneasy with the people they have to ally themselves with.
For me the reason that one shouldn't join a member of a political party is because it reduces the political debate into little more than a game of verbal dodgeball, complete with winning and sides and a sense of elementary school anger and competitiveness. Many of the posts on the board reveal it to be so. Todd has contempt not for left wingers, but for Democrats.
Take the issue of the theoretical "Bi-Partisanship" that was supposed to sweep washington with the restoration of honor and dignity to the white house. The very notion of Bi-partisanship implies that it isn't a difference in ideas that sets Republikans and Democrats apart, it's simply that they play for different teams.
It's a damn good thing that we Starfish don't have to worry about politics.
However, if I had to say what political group I see as most "benificial" to all of humanity (if they'd be allowed the clout they deserve)....... that would be the Green Party.
Riff, I understand your feelings on the matter of being part of a group not equating to a certain mentality..... Like here at literotica..
But I do have to say that your statement about people accomplishing more in groups than as individuals is simply untrue.....
Last night I was up all night 're aquascaping' a 55 gallon tank.
It took me 5 hours to do. If I had had others telling me what they thought I should do and trying to help me get the job done, it would have taken 10 hours.......
They would have been in my way, they wouldn't necessarily agree with my methods. They wouldn't necessarily have my background experiance and could really fuck things up, if I gave them democratic authourity over the project, just because I was trying to be fair.... Then I'd have to go and fix their fucking mistakes.. (more time).
If they were willing to stand back and do exactly as I ordered then it might have saved time, while accomplishing more, but then they would have to remain opinionless, mindless, and follow my orders to a tee....
Do you see all of the bickering and fighting within one politcal party a help or a hinderence?
It is easier to maintain focus as an individual than as a group..............Unless one individual does most of the decision making.... (they are called Leaders).......
If you give a group equal say..... you get a bunch of "I don't know" and "What do you think?" and "I guess!". Or fighting over each others opinions......
I mean no disrespect, it's just that, the justification for your conviction on that particular matter is not too clear to me. Are you going on that of the Egyptians, pertaining to the pyrimids? Their religion dictated what was expected of them in life......
What examples can you give that shows that, based on a total democratic method, shows groups (each individual given equal say) can accomplish more than individuals.
Don't use our voting system as an example.... That is clearly flawed and isn't what I am talking about.....
However, if I had to say what political group I see as most "benificial" to all of humanity (if they'd be allowed the clout they deserve)....... that would be the Green Party.
Riff, I understand your feelings on the matter of being part of a group not equating to a certain mentality..... Like here at literotica..
But I do have to say that your statement about people accomplishing more in groups than as individuals is simply untrue.....
Last night I was up all night 're aquascaping' a 55 gallon tank.
It took me 5 hours to do. If I had had others telling me what they thought I should do and trying to help me get the job done, it would have taken 10 hours.......
They would have been in my way, they wouldn't necessarily agree with my methods. They wouldn't necessarily have my background experiance and could really fuck things up, if I gave them democratic authourity over the project, just because I was trying to be fair.... Then I'd have to go and fix their fucking mistakes.. (more time).
If they were willing to stand back and do exactly as I ordered then it might have saved time, while accomplishing more, but then they would have to remain opinionless, mindless, and follow my orders to a tee....
Do you see all of the bickering and fighting within one politcal party a help or a hinderence?
It is easier to maintain focus as an individual than as a group..............Unless one individual does most of the decision making.... (they are called Leaders).......
If you give a group equal say..... you get a bunch of "I don't know" and "What do you think?" and "I guess!". Or fighting over each others opinions......
I mean no disrespect, it's just that, the justification for your conviction on that particular matter is not too clear to me. Are you going on that of the Egyptians, pertaining to the pyrimids? Their religion dictated what was expected of them in life......
What examples can you give that shows that, based on a total democratic method, shows groups (each individual given equal say) can accomplish more than individuals.
Don't use our voting system as an example.... That is clearly flawed and isn't what I am talking about.....
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EvilBollWeevil said:
I agree, yet I don't. I'm not a "club" person, I'm not a "team player" - especially with things I feel passionately about. I get annoyed with the bureaucracy and infighting and gossipy bs that occurs in every organization. I also hate the fact that parties divide people into teams. This leads people to associate themselves with a party based on factors other than what the party actually supports. It also leads to these stupid "all republicans are Fascists" "all democrats are Commies" arguments. Basically, it allows people to "talk politics" without having to do any thinking whatsoever.
At the same time, I feel strongly about certain issues. I want the government to allow me the freedom to make my own moral judgments. I want the government to stay out of my private life. I want the government to set boundaries to keep corporations from causing me and the environment undue harm in their pursuit of profits - just like they set boundaries to prevent private citizens from doing the same. I could decide not to support any political party and try to further these goals all on my own, but how effective would that be, really? I'm one person. I have a limited budget. I have no ties in Washington.
If I truly believe in these issues above all else, then I will support whoever has the power & desire to further these goals. The Democrats are the best fit.
What are my other choices? I could vote Green, but I've checked into their agenda and I don't agree with much of it, including caps on people's wages. They also spend more time attacking Democrats - with whom they generally agree with - than the far right, which makes me feel that they care more about getting government matching funds than any of the issues they claim to stand for. If they really wanted to stop Bush from drilling in the Alaskan wildlife refuge, they would've joined forces with the Dems to do so. Instead, they make vicious attacks on democrats in hopes of splintering the Democratic party and getting a piece of it for themselves. That's the kind of lame shit that makes me hate politics.
I could go Libertarian, but they abhor "Big Government" yet at the same time want to give corporations free reign. Since both corporations & our government are run by basically the same people (especially right now, lol), it seems silly to me to demonize one and worship the other. They both need to be watched, closely. It's interesting that both Libertarians and the Greens favor the legalization of marijuana.
The current Republican party is owned by big corporations and by the Christian Right. These are the people that set its agenda. These aren't people I support, so I can't support the Republicans. My friend's 80-year-old grandparents - lifelong Republicans - are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They don't agree with the direction that the GOP is heading in, yet they would rather chew off their legs than vote Democrat. Funny thing is, they agree with much of what the dems do, but they were raised to believe that the democrats are commiepinkoliberals.
I'm a bit disappointed in the Dems for allowing many things that I disagree with to happen. (Today many Democrats voted to withhold funding from any public school that doesn't allow the Boy Scouts - who do not allow gays in their membership - to meet on their premises. Imagine if they legislated that any school that did not allow the Junior KKK to meet on their premises would not get funding.) But I can only sit tight and hope that eventually the pendulum will swing back the other way. In the meantime, I'll go grab a pizza.
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Well, well, well........
It seems to me - that we might, just might be approaching - some level of "meaningful, human thought."
We must thank Todd for lofting this thread - and in the end Starfish, EBW and Laurel all came through "thinking" and spewing their very valid opinions. And thanks to all who have participated on this humble thread.
You see - this is what I miss on the board - this (well, much more of this) is what has been missing of late - which was once more prevalent.
My kudos for those "who dare" to join in the "brain vest."
For those of you "too afraid" or "find it too challenging" to voice on in - so be it - respect is given. I just don't quite understand - the pain you feel in exercising the only "God given muscle" that means anything - the human brain. You see - it's fun - not pain.
As for me? I am still far beyond the pettiness of everyday, mundane American politics - what a fucking waste of time. And I don't expect any of you to understand that - but you should know - that's the way I feel about them.
You talk about bullshit.
Anyway - for those of you here who "know me" - and think I'm such a miserable, loanly, anti-social person - well you miss the point entirely - I am totally pro-social. I simply think the majority of people on the globe are walking down a false path.
It's so obvious to me - and the preponderance of posts on these subjects here on this great board - prove me to be correct.
I will never turn back - never give in - until I expire or turn the page.
My blinders were remove long ago - growing up in the bubble of Washington DC - my father and uncles and god-father's all being reports - taught me of the falicy of what is sold to most of the American public as "history."
Bull shit I say - fucking bull shit.
Try to ask "what if?" Try to "pretend." Try to "think on your own." You see - if you are not thinking "on your own" you aren't thinking at all.
It seems to me - that we might, just might be approaching - some level of "meaningful, human thought."
We must thank Todd for lofting this thread - and in the end Starfish, EBW and Laurel all came through "thinking" and spewing their very valid opinions. And thanks to all who have participated on this humble thread.
You see - this is what I miss on the board - this (well, much more of this) is what has been missing of late - which was once more prevalent.
My kudos for those "who dare" to join in the "brain vest."
For those of you "too afraid" or "find it too challenging" to voice on in - so be it - respect is given. I just don't quite understand - the pain you feel in exercising the only "God given muscle" that means anything - the human brain. You see - it's fun - not pain.
As for me? I am still far beyond the pettiness of everyday, mundane American politics - what a fucking waste of time. And I don't expect any of you to understand that - but you should know - that's the way I feel about them.
You talk about bullshit.
Anyway - for those of you here who "know me" - and think I'm such a miserable, loanly, anti-social person - well you miss the point entirely - I am totally pro-social. I simply think the majority of people on the globe are walking down a false path.
It's so obvious to me - and the preponderance of posts on these subjects here on this great board - prove me to be correct.
I will never turn back - never give in - until I expire or turn the page.
My blinders were remove long ago - growing up in the bubble of Washington DC - my father and uncles and god-father's all being reports - taught me of the falicy of what is sold to most of the American public as "history."
Bull shit I say - fucking bull shit.
Try to ask "what if?" Try to "pretend." Try to "think on your own." You see - if you are not thinking "on your own" you aren't thinking at all.
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I rarely comment on others views...I respect them, even if I do not agree. The supercilious arrogance of "Sparky" - sitting on his mountain, looking down on us sub-humans that participate in the process merits a response. Damn, it must be comforting to be "so right." The views, by the by, have a chilling parallel in some of the right wing in our fair land.
I note that "Sparky" uses the phrase "American Politics" twice. I fervently hope that this drivel is spewing from either someone who is not a citizen - or, better yet, an expatriate who has voted with his feet. I have rattled around this globe for sixty-five years - and I still have not encountered a better system - one that tries to be inclusive - and one that accepts puerile maunderings from even - yes - a "Sparky."
I note that "Sparky" uses the phrase "American Politics" twice. I fervently hope that this drivel is spewing from either someone who is not a citizen - or, better yet, an expatriate who has voted with his feet. I have rattled around this globe for sixty-five years - and I still have not encountered a better system - one that tries to be inclusive - and one that accepts puerile maunderings from even - yes - a "Sparky."
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EvilBollWeevil said:I'm kind of with them on the Boy Scouts thing.
You snot you.
You think that public schools should give the Boy Scouts access to their facilities FOR FREE when other groups must pay or else the public schools should have their funds yanked? You're fucking with me, right? Laurel said:
You snot you.
Oh, I thought we were just talking about whether we were pro-Boy scouts in general.
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Don't get me wrong...
...I'm pro-scouts. I was a Brownie myself. Their whole anti-gay thing is unfortunate, but all the hiking and camping was pretty cool. I won a stuffed whale for selling 356 boxes of cookies one year. My aunt worked at a bank, so I just gave her an order page and she brought it back full!
...I'm pro-scouts. I was a Brownie myself. Their whole anti-gay thing is unfortunate, but all the hiking and camping was pretty cool. I won a stuffed whale for selling 356 boxes of cookies one year. My aunt worked at a bank, so I just gave her an order page and she brought it back full!
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Laurel said, Thor said -
Laurel has said: "I wish I could form a party of me-clones - thousands of me's only with political pull. Then we'd REALLY raise the roof... "
I can't do clones - but the concept I have innitiatted - my party is me.
And the mighty Thor has sad in part: "Damn, it must be comforting to be "so right." The views, by the by, have a chilling parallel in some of the right wing in our fair land."
I am not "so right." If you really read what I am saying, "I know nothing." As most do not. Nothing that is, "relative to all there is to know."
Thor contiues: "I note that "Sparky" uses the phrase "American Politics" twice. I fervently hope that this drivel is spewing from either someone who is not a citizen - or, better yet, an expatriate who has voted with his feet. I have rattled around this globe for sixty-five years - and I still have not encountered a better system - one that tries to be inclusive - and one that accepts puerile maunderings from even - yes - a "Sparky."
American schmerican - substitute any counties name before the word politics if you so wish - or just use the word politics. I've never stated anything close to "America doesn't have the best system." (I happen to think it does.) Although your red-white-n'blue, starry-eyed American arrogance preceeds you in a far to loud fasion - it's no wonder America and American's are so disliked around the globe - with attitudes such as yours fueling such feeling. As for "the US sytem" - what? If it ain't broke don't fix it? You like it so much - you'll lean back in your easy chair and just let it be? Not me. There's nothing, no thing, no system, no love, no riligion, no idea - that can't be grossly improved upon. Betterment is infinite by it's very nature. I only asked for improvemnt. And one of the best ways to make improvement it to locate what's broken and then fix it.
I don't hesitate to call the kettle black - I don't hesitate to say that something is antiquated and broken and needs fixing and I not afraid to say out loud that........
The Kind is not wearing any clothes.
Thor? You are a product - a slave to your own system - a prison you have helped build.
Oh yeah - I like the mountain top thing. Add some lightning bolts, 100 year floods, and famine - and I just might want to stay.
Laurel has said: "I wish I could form a party of me-clones - thousands of me's only with political pull. Then we'd REALLY raise the roof... "
I can't do clones - but the concept I have innitiatted - my party is me.
And the mighty Thor has sad in part: "Damn, it must be comforting to be "so right." The views, by the by, have a chilling parallel in some of the right wing in our fair land."
I am not "so right." If you really read what I am saying, "I know nothing." As most do not. Nothing that is, "relative to all there is to know."
Thor contiues: "I note that "Sparky" uses the phrase "American Politics" twice. I fervently hope that this drivel is spewing from either someone who is not a citizen - or, better yet, an expatriate who has voted with his feet. I have rattled around this globe for sixty-five years - and I still have not encountered a better system - one that tries to be inclusive - and one that accepts puerile maunderings from even - yes - a "Sparky."
American schmerican - substitute any counties name before the word politics if you so wish - or just use the word politics. I've never stated anything close to "America doesn't have the best system." (I happen to think it does.) Although your red-white-n'blue, starry-eyed American arrogance preceeds you in a far to loud fasion - it's no wonder America and American's are so disliked around the globe - with attitudes such as yours fueling such feeling. As for "the US sytem" - what? If it ain't broke don't fix it? You like it so much - you'll lean back in your easy chair and just let it be? Not me. There's nothing, no thing, no system, no love, no riligion, no idea - that can't be grossly improved upon. Betterment is infinite by it's very nature. I only asked for improvemnt. And one of the best ways to make improvement it to locate what's broken and then fix it.
I don't hesitate to call the kettle black - I don't hesitate to say that something is antiquated and broken and needs fixing and I not afraid to say out loud that........
The Kind is not wearing any clothes.
Thor? You are a product - a slave to your own system - a prison you have helped build.
Oh yeah - I like the mountain top thing. Add some lightning bolts, 100 year floods, and famine - and I just might want to stay.
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At the risk of decending to "Sparky's" level, I must comment once more. Have you ever gone beyond the borders opf your native compound, Sparky? I have travelled extensively - all over the world - for over 30 years. I speak three languages (two rather poorly) and am hardly an "ugly American." It may surprise you, Sparky, that your dated view of Americans by the world is wrong. We are respected - and yes, envied a bit, in most places on the planet. Americans are not viewed as parochial idiots (except, perhaps, our current President). Sparky, your rather amusing superiority toward our system
"Although your red-white-n'blue, starry-eyed American arrogance preceeds you in a far to loud fasion" (typo, or an educational system failure?)
is reminicent of the 60's in the US. Are you stuck in a time warp? If you read what I wrote, you would see that I said that, although flawed, our system beats anything else in the world. Oh, an I am not sitting back resting - I work 12-14 hour days for the public. Why? Because I think I am and can make a difference in peoples' lives - even yours, perhaps.
You know, "Sparky" it is too bad that we will never meet. I always enjoy a duel, even with an unarmed man.
"Although your red-white-n'blue, starry-eyed American arrogance preceeds you in a far to loud fasion" (typo, or an educational system failure?)
is reminicent of the 60's in the US. Are you stuck in a time warp? If you read what I wrote, you would see that I said that, although flawed, our system beats anything else in the world. Oh, an I am not sitting back resting - I work 12-14 hour days for the public. Why? Because I think I am and can make a difference in peoples' lives - even yours, perhaps.
You know, "Sparky" it is too bad that we will never meet. I always enjoy a duel, even with an unarmed man.
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Ah ha! A civil servant!
Emphasis on the word servant I'm certain.
This explains much.
Nope - don't speak 3 languages - hardly speak this one very well. (As most of you can quite tell.)
I have traveled all over the world though - not Africa yet - not Australia. But hope to.
The 60's huh? My mind is launched toward the future - the future is change. All change begets change. Change, however little and no matter in what direction - will eventually always beget improvement.
I never look back in a truly meaningful way - there is nothing there but the past - and all that is past is only a "stopped reference in time." A footnote of interest - now gone. A minor learning tool.
All real - meaningful, useful information - remains to be had. That is why I say - we know nothing.
Now - go serve some civilians.
I told ya you were a slave to the system. Now we all understand your bitter plight.
Emphasis on the word servant I'm certain.
This explains much.
Nope - don't speak 3 languages - hardly speak this one very well. (As most of you can quite tell.)
I have traveled all over the world though - not Africa yet - not Australia. But hope to.
The 60's huh? My mind is launched toward the future - the future is change. All change begets change. Change, however little and no matter in what direction - will eventually always beget improvement.
I never look back in a truly meaningful way - there is nothing there but the past - and all that is past is only a "stopped reference in time." A footnote of interest - now gone. A minor learning tool.
All real - meaningful, useful information - remains to be had. That is why I say - we know nothing.
Now - go serve some civilians.
I told ya you were a slave to the system. Now we all understand your bitter plight.
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First off - I'm a Virginian and proud of it.
Secondly - joining schmoining. I had hoped (but apparently failed in the making) that "that issue" - which I find relatively trite - to be supplanted with what I think is the more important issue....
That of "thinking" and "human intellectual arrogance" - of which you and Thor seem to be prime example. Notice I did say - seem to be - I don't know you.
That larger topic - which encompasses and includes "joining" - is what is so hard to get across.
Why - simply because most "relatively smart" people fall prey to it - and in doing so - they simply "can't see it." That is why I call it "arrogance of intellect."
You "can't see that you don't know anything" because you "think" you are a "real smart, educated, top-of-the-food-chain, know a lot of shit," upright walking human.
But my point is that - in thinking that way - your only reference, your anchor (the reference which allows you to think that way) is - what you do actually know. And what you actually know - relative to what there is "yet to be known - ain't bull squat.
And furthermore - what is "yet to be known" - all that infinite information out there - if - (again I always ask "what if?") - if - you knew even half of it - everything, everything, everything, every bit of knowledge you now processes and spew here so arrogantly - would be rendered meaningless.
All you anchors would be gone - replaced with much more meaningful anchors - more true - more real - reference points.
And that is why I say - nobody know anything - and all that we do know - is wrong.
Now - if you can't see this - to me it's pretty simple - you are guilty of "the arrogance of the human intellect."
Secondly - joining schmoining. I had hoped (but apparently failed in the making) that "that issue" - which I find relatively trite - to be supplanted with what I think is the more important issue....
That of "thinking" and "human intellectual arrogance" - of which you and Thor seem to be prime example. Notice I did say - seem to be - I don't know you.
That larger topic - which encompasses and includes "joining" - is what is so hard to get across.
Why - simply because most "relatively smart" people fall prey to it - and in doing so - they simply "can't see it." That is why I call it "arrogance of intellect."
You "can't see that you don't know anything" because you "think" you are a "real smart, educated, top-of-the-food-chain, know a lot of shit," upright walking human.
But my point is that - in thinking that way - your only reference, your anchor (the reference which allows you to think that way) is - what you do actually know. And what you actually know - relative to what there is "yet to be known - ain't bull squat.
And furthermore - what is "yet to be known" - all that infinite information out there - if - (again I always ask "what if?") - if - you knew even half of it - everything, everything, everything, every bit of knowledge you now processes and spew here so arrogantly - would be rendered meaningless.
All you anchors would be gone - replaced with much more meaningful anchors - more true - more real - reference points.
And that is why I say - nobody know anything - and all that we do know - is wrong.
Now - if you can't see this - to me it's pretty simple - you are guilty of "the arrogance of the human intellect."
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