For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[icanhelp1]

You're a lot more positive on Trump than I now am.

He chose a carrot for Putin and a stick for Ukraine, and it's pretty obvious that Putin wants no peace deal. He's read Trump like a book and he knows how to play him. And that's assuming they don't have anything on Trump which, given Trump's actions and words, I strongly suspect is the case.

This was an easy win for Trump, and he blew it out the gate. He can't save Russia now.

And Ukraine has once more advanced into Kursk Oblast, advancing into the village of Mykolaivka, where they have secured a strategically important bridgehead.

Trump has on so many occasions smiled in Putin’s face while kicking him in the balls. Trump hatred is so prevalent people refuse to acknowledge what he’s done. It was Biden that lifted sanctions on Nord Stream II. Putin is the big dog on the block and has to be treated differently. I’m not trying to convince you of anything. Most conversations with Trump haters eventually end up as a waste of time and energy.

 

[Rightguide]

In war, if you want to really hammer your opponent, you go slow and make them take casualties. Force them to come into your meat grinder.

So far, on the surface of events Ukraine appears to be winning because they're making Russia take huge losses. What many who over zealously support Ukraine don't realize is that those Russian losses aren't anything when compared to the Ukrainian losses.

If the war were to just stop today, Ukraine would not be able to continue as an independent nation. It doesn't have the breeding population to sustain itself and it will have to rely on international aid for food.

Russia, OTOH, still does have a breeding population and can still produce its own food.

Ukraine has already lost and most people don't know or understand that simple fact. As the war continues, Ukraine's situation will only get worse until it cannot even sustain its resistance to the inevitable. At that point there will be no Ukraine or Ukrainian people.

Which is what Putin wants and the over zealous supporters of Ukraine don't realize. War isn't a game of small victories, it's a game of attrition and Ukraine is almost out of pieces to place on the board.

The West and Ukraine would have done well to study the Battle of Stalingrad. Despite losing over 1.2 million people, the Soviets decisively destroyed the Wehrmacht’s 6th Army, then considered Nazi Germany’s most elite force, along with support from the 4th Panzer Army. By the time American boots hit Omaha Beach, the Red Army had already inflicted nearly 80% of Germany’s total World War II casualties. This wasn’t just a matter of brute force; it reflected something deeper about the Russian psyche. Historically drawn to authoritarian leadership, Russia has shown again and again a terrifying willingness to endure staggering losses when it believes the motherland is at stake. That doesn’t make them noble, but it makes them dangerous. And any nation contemplating conflict with Russia ought to grasp this reality before imagining war will follow a Western script. The West’s misreading of this mindset may be one of its greatest strategic errors in the Ukraine conflict.

 

[ll74]

The West and Ukraine would have done well to study the Battle of Stalingrad. Despite losing over 1.2 million people, the Soviets decisively destroyed the Wehrmacht’s 6th Army, then considered Nazi Germany’s most elite force, along with support from the 4th Panzer Army. By the time American boots hit Omaha Beach, the Red Army had already inflicted nearly 80% of Germany’s total World War II casualties. This wasn’t just a matter of brute force; it reflected something deeper about the Russian psyche. Historically drawn to authoritarian leadership, Russia has shown again and again a terrifying willingness to endure staggering losses when it believes the motherland is at stake. That doesn’t make them noble, but it makes them dangerous. And any nation contemplating conflict with Russia ought to grasp this reality before imagining war will follow a Western script. The West’s misreading of this mindset may be one of its greatest strategic errors in the Ukraine conflict.

This isn't the same type of warfare.

Drones > soldiers

 

[Rightguide]

This isn't the same type of warfare.

Drones > soldiers

Doesn't matter. It's the willingness to sacrifice and having the manpower to do so that matters here.

 

[ll74]

Doesn't matter.

To you.
Because of your admiration of Putin.

It's the willingness to sacrifice and having the manpower to do so that matters here.

Men running into drones.
One man operating multiple drones.

It matters.

 

[ll74]

Russian and Ukrainian Drones Have Changed Warfare Forever​

 

[ll74]

Another question - if this is a war of attrition, why is Russia targeting civilian infrastructure in their attacks?

 

[HisArpy]

The West and Ukraine would have done well to study the Battle of Stalingrad. Despite losing over 1.2 million people, the Soviets decisively destroyed the Wehrmacht’s 6th Army, then considered Nazi Germany’s most elite force, along with support from the 4th Panzer Army. By the time American boots hit Omaha Beach, the Red Army had already inflicted nearly 80% of Germany’s total World War II casualties. This wasn’t just a matter of brute force; it reflected something deeper about the Russian psyche. Historically drawn to authoritarian leadership, Russia has shown again and again a terrifying willingness to endure staggering losses when it believes the motherland is at stake. That doesn’t make them noble, but it makes them dangerous. And any nation contemplating conflict with Russia ought to grasp this reality before imagining war will follow a Western script. The West’s misreading of this mindset may be one of its greatest strategic errors in the Ukraine conflict.

You cannot beat an unstoppable hoard with tech. History is rife with all kinds of lessons in that.

 

[ll74]

You cannot beat an unstoppable hoard with tech. History is rife with all kinds of lessons in that.

They're hitting supply chains, factories, armories hundreds of miles away.
They're sending bombing.kamikaze drones at advancing torces.

This isn't a new gun or plane where manpower is needed. Cheap, easy to replicate and powerful. History has never seen advancement like this.

 

[Lazaran]

Yup. Obama and Biden abandned Ukraine

You WERE WRONG about DonOld, and you ARE WRONG about President Obama & President Biden.

I’ll leave it at that ^.

Hole that ^ helps.





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[HisArpy]

They're hitting supply chains, factories, armories hundreds of miles away.
They're sending bombing.kamikaze drones at advancing torces.

This isn't a new gun or plane where manpower is needed. Cheap, easy to replicate and powerful. History has never seen advancement like this.

Lol. The same thing was said about stone axes and knives back in the day.

 

[ll74]

Lol. The same thing was said about stone axes and knives back in the day.

Yep and then tanks came along
And then planes
And both of those completely changed the field of battle and the advantages clearly in favor of the best tech.
Drones are the next wave of tech to do this.

 

[HisArpy]

Yep and then tanks came along
And then planes
And both of those completely changed the field of battle and the advantages clearly in favor of the best tech.
Drones are the next wave of tech to do this.

Germany's Panzer was the best tank on the battlefield. Germany still lost the war because Russia threw the most basic weapon at them - a hoard.

As for drones, you think other nations can't build them too? If Russia does, what happens to Ukraine then?

Basically you're rooting for the underdog. That's good but you also have to face the reality that the underdog is the underdog for a reason and that the heavyweight is going to crush them eventually. It's almost inevitable. The only question is whether it's a quick beat down or if it comes after a long slow torturous war that decimates them completely.

Remember too that Russia is historically known to be extremely cruel.

 

[ll74]

Germany's Panzer was the best tank on the battlefield. Germany still lost the war because Russia threw the most basic weapon at them - a hoard.

They were fighting on two fronts - the US has air superiority.

As for drones, you think other nations can't build them too? If Russia does, what happens to Ukraine then?

They are building them, but Ukraine is building them faster and better.

Basically you're rooting for the underdog. That's good but you also have to face the reality that the underdog is the underdog for a reason and that the heavyweight is going to crush them eventually. It's almost inevitable. The only question is whether it's a quick beat down or if it comes after a long slow torturous war that decimates them completely.

I'm rooting for the invaded Democratic country to beat back the invading autocratic dictator country.

Are you rooting for Putin?

Remember too that Russia is historically known to be extremely cruel.

Yes, they've demonstrated that by attacking civilian infrastructure and kidnapping Ukrainian children to brainwash them and use as soldiers.

Cruel doesn't mean stronger or better.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Right now,nobody can move within about 20 miles of the frontline on either side thx to drones. It's a WW1 stalemate.

Russia can leep attacking and losing me. With EU and Japanese $'s, Ukraine can keep building and destroying Russia and Russians.

Which will go down first? My money's on Russia foing down. Their logistics are shit. And this is the inverse of Vietnam. Ukraine has a safe haven inside the EU, where everuthing they need can be manufactured and shipped to them. Add in they are building their own manufacturing complexes in the West, away from Russia and near the borders and in tunnels in the Carpathians (Cold War stuff) that Russia can't hit, and they are not throwing men into senseless attacks (in general). Logistics wins wars, and logistics are on Ukraone's side. Nothing Putin or Trump can do about that..

 

[Lazaran]

Derpy and Russiaguide seem to forget that Russia was primarily DEFENDING in WWII, just like Ukraine is primarily DEFENDING now.

The countries / forces that are DEFENDING will ALWAYS have an advantage.

The fact that Ukraine is DEFENDING with some VERY advanced technology exacerbates the problem for Russia exponentially.

Hope that ^ helps.



Derpy & Russiaguide



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[HisArpy]

Right now,nobody can move within about 20 miles of the frontline on either side thx to drones. It's a WW1 stalemate.

Russia can leep attacking and losing me. With EU and Japanese $'s, Ukraine can keep building and destroying Russia and Russians.

Which will go down first? My money's on Russia foing down. Their logistics are shit. And this is the inverse of Vietnam. Ukraine has a safe haven inside the EU, where everuthing they need can be manufactured and shipped to them. Add in they are building their own manufacturing complexes in the West, away from Russia and near the borders and in tunnels in the Carpathians (Cold War stuff) that Russia can't hit, and they are not throwing men into senseless attacks (in general). Logistics wins wars, and logistics are on Ukraone's side. Nothing Putin or Trump can do about that..

Putin hasn't done more than play with Ukraine like a cat plays with a mouse. If you think he's been putting it all out there, you need to learn strategy.

Russia has thousands of missiles they can lob at Ukrainian positions. They aren't doing that. Ask yourself why. The answer is that it would increase resistance morale. It's better for Russia to wait until Ukraine is nearly completely demoralized before they start pounding the Ukraine's front lines with missiles because at that point Ukraine cannot respond.

End game.

 

[ll74]

Lol

 

[Rightguide]

To you.
Because of your admiration of Putin.


Men running into drones.
One man operating multiple drones.

It matters.

Understanding centuries of Russian history clearly means I'm a card-carrying fanboy of Putin. Apparently, nuance is now a thought crime. But sure, keep waving away inconvenient facts with your bumper-sticker logic. It's much easier to shout 'apologist!' than to confront the messy realities of history, or the actual situation on the ground in Ukraine.

 

[Rightguide]

Putin hasn't done more than play with Ukraine like a cat plays with a mouse. If you think he's been putting it all out there, you need to learn strategy.

Russia has thousands of missiles they can lob at Ukrainian positions. They aren't doing that. Ask yourself why. The answer is that it would increase resistance morale. It's better for Russia to wait until Ukraine is nearly completely demoralized before they start pounding the Ukraine's front lines with missiles because at that point Ukraine cannot respond.

End game.

There are important historical reasons why Putin does not want to go for the kill and destroy Kiev. He will take his time as you suggest.

 

[Lazaran]

Understanding centuries of Russian history clearly means I'm a card-carrying fanboy of Putin. Apparently, nuance is now a thought crime. But sure, keep waving away inconvenient facts with your bumper-sticker logic. It's much easier to shout 'apologist!' than to confront the messy realities of history, or the actual situation on the ground in Ukraine.

Russiaguide doesn’t even recognize the fact that Russia was primarily DEFENDING in WWII and that Ukraine is now primarily DEFENDING.

But, yeah, Russiaguide is an "expert" on Russia and war strategy.



Russiaguide



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[ll74]

Understanding centuries of Russian history clearly means I'm a card-carrying fanboy of Putin. Apparently, nuance is now a thought crime. But sure, keep waving away inconvenient facts with your bumper-sticker logic. It's much easier to shout 'apologist!' than to confront the messy realities of history, or the actual situation on the ground in Ukraine.

The rules of engagement have changed. What part of that are you missing here?

All of your posts (and Arpy's) indicate an admiration for Putin.

You also seem to forget that Ukraine was part of that Army in Russian history. (As does Arpy)

 

[Rightguide]

The rules of engagement have changed. What part of that are you missing here?

All of your posts (and Arpy's) indicate an admiration for Putin.

You also seem to forget that Ukraine was part of that Army in Russian history. (As does Arpy)

You say this because you're intellectually lazy and cannot address with any authority the facts and realities of what is happening on the ground in Ukraine. So you resort to intellectual cowardice.

 

[Lazaran]

Yep, DonOld & the MAGAt republicans are traitors (Russian assets) who are giving aid and comfort to Putin & Russia:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna216358







We. Told. Them. So.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Yep, DonOld & the MAGAt republicans are traitors (Russian assets) who are giving aid and comfort to Putin & Russia:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna216358







We. Told. Them. So.

Nobody is surprised that Trump is halting weapons supply to Ukraine. His loyalty to Putin is unwavering.