Former pastor: I don't think God exists

[FGB]

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Originally Posted by Ulaven_Demorte View Post

I believe it's more along the lines of "Believe what you wish, just don't push your religious beliefs onto others through legislation". i.e "Gawd says Homosexual marriage is a sin so you shouldn't be allowed."

The problem with religions is exactly this.

God does not push legislation... be glad, he puts up a hell of an argument!

God does not like Homosexual behavior among other things and that he has made plain. He also has made plain that he gave us marriage between a man and woman, so that we ideally,would not spent our lives chasing pussy and dick and all that goes with it.

Why God hates Homosexuality and not the Homosexual is somewhat understandable as he hates sin and not the sinner.
I might add that Christians are required to do the same.

That is why if atheist and Homosexuals and( not that they can't be) other non Christians are not mean and nasty toward us, most of us don't have a problem with them and even have friends among them.

But don't expect us to claim that is perfectly fine or not to defend ourselves when attacked because we have no choice really our easy going ways have given our enemy's foot solders too much high ground.

That is not saying God hasn't disliked individual or a group of humans from time to time because he has. They from what we can read, did not hang around long.

Some time I think Atheist would try to stop water from being wet! and the Homosexual activists would hold the bucket!

 

[FGB]

No, I would never demand what's impossible, and this is.

It's all about tolerance: if you are as tolerant as me, we can find a compromise. I respect your religion, and you respect me being non-religious.

If you aren't tolerant, you'll become a threat of my life, sooner or later.

The rest is a matter of trust.

Trust?

By what do you measure your morals and values by?

 

[Kitty]

Well, when it comes to tolerance, no religion I know so far aims for it. People are tolerant, religions not much.

Tolerance? Tolerance is enabling destructive activity. Tolerance is the same cavalier and weak mentality behind every wrongdoing you can think of, because you lack the girth to say no and to stand up for, much less identify, what is right, what is decent, what is civil, what is respectful. Intolerance is not as demonic as people try to make it out to be. This is when I can't fucking stand liberals. The only reason I can "tolerate" anything they stand for is because sometimes, it benefits me considering my background.

But I rarely agree with these people who compromise proper values and end up hating religion just because they want to be nice to someone else and tolerate them. Most of the time you get a hard nosed conservative and karma hits them and their kid turns out gay. Now all of a sudden they're waving every rainbow flag in town. Cool. But talk about shoving something down everyone's throat like people accuse Christians of doing.

I will not tolerate what I feel is wrong. Who knows what else I'll end up tolerating. Incest, pedophilia, zoophilia, promiscuity, infidelity, drug abuse, children-beating...? Tolerance is passive. Tolerance is regressive. One cannot be tolerant when defending religious principle. If you want to be tolerant, yes please find the door. Religion is not for you, sir. It mentions in the Bible that defending your God will be the hardest, longest fight, but the rewards of loyalty and integrity to Him will be even longer.

That being said, let the gays marry. But don't you dare come to my child's school trying to convince them it's right.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I see JBDumbass is still confusing everyday faith and the expectation of familiar outcomes based on past history with the Blind Faith of the religious.

All I know is rolling the dice and accepting the risk is faith.

 

[PoppingTom]

God does not push legislation...

Nobody said God did.

Religious people tend to do.

Don't tell me what God wants, does or doesn't. Tell me what YOU are doing.

 

[PoppingTom]

Trust?

By what do you measure your morals and values by?

By humanity.

 

[PoppingTom]

Tolerance? Tolerance is enabling destructive activity. Tolerance is the same cavalier and weak mentality behind every wrongdoing you can think of, because you lack the girth to say no and to stand up for, much less identify, what is right, what is decent, what is civil, what is respectful. Intolerance is not as demonic as people try to make it out to be. This is when I can't fucking stand liberals. The only reason I can "tolerate" anything they stand for is because sometimes, it benefits me considering my background.

Tolerance is right, decent, civil, respectful.

And yes, intolerance makes you a worse person in my eyes.

Blame my own religion.

I will not tolerate what I feel is wrong. Who knows what else I'll end up tolerating. Incest, pedophilia, zoophilia, promiscuity, infidelity, drug abuse, children-beating...? Tolerance is passive. Tolerance is regressive.

Tolerance is the main key to other people. Do you really want to tell me that you are a better person as you don't give a fuck about other people ?

One cannot be tolerant when defending religious principle.

That's where we can agree.

 

[Que]

By humanity.

NAZIs were human. Everything they did was legal in their society.

 

[PoppingTom]

NAZIs were human. Everything they did was legal in their society.

1. Nazis never acted in a humanist way. Please don't tell such shit.
2. Don't confuse "legal" with "humane", or law with morality.

 

[RobDownSouth]

1. Nazis never acted in a humanist way. Please don't tell such shit.
2. Don't confuse "legal" with "humane", or law with morality.

Query gets easily confused.
:nods:

 

[mikey2much]

god is perfect and yet..

And yet when you back off and look at the forest instead of the trees you see a different picture.

this perfect God made all the angels, and soon one third of them went bad and had to be thrown out of heaven to become demons.

god creates adam and eve and places them in a perfect garden, but eve goes bad and corrupts adam, they are forced out of the garden.

god who created all mankind in his own image, finally gets so pissed that the destroys the whole damn earth except for one mans family.

If you had a plant making tv's and the plant manager oversaw a one third failure rate in the products produced, how long would he work for you?

but after fucking up production, this manager corrupted the work force, and after a bit more time he burned the whole damn factory down except for a handful of workers.

I have a hard time seeing why anybody would hire this god, much less worship him.

 

[FGB]

Nobody said God did.

Religious people tend to do.

Don't tell me what God wants, does or doesn't. Tell me what YOU are doing.

Trying to make a living, enjoying life when I can and being the best I can be.

It's a process and a humbling experience..

We strive for a perfection that is impossible for us to obtain.

When I think about the person I was...It was indeed someone else's life.

 

[FGB]

And yet when you back off and look at the forest instead of the trees you see a different picture.

this perfect God made all the angels, and soon one third of them went bad and had to be thrown out of heaven to become demons.

god creates adam and eve and places them in a perfect garden, but eve goes bad and corrupts adam, they are forced out of the garden.

god who created all mankind in his own image, finally gets so pissed that the destroys the whole damn earth except for one mans family.

If you had a plant making tv's and the plant manager oversaw a one third failure rate in the products produced, how long would he work for you?

but after fucking up production, this manager corrupted the work force, and after a bit more time he burned the whole damn factory down except for a handful of workers.

I have a hard time seeing why anybody would hire this god, much less worship him.

Do you seriously think all that was an accident? or a mistake?

Think on my friend, think on...

 

[RobDownSouth]

Trying to make a living, enjoying life when I can and being the best I can be.

It's a process and a humbling experience..

We strive for a perfection that is impossible for us to obtain.

When I think about the person I was...It was indeed someone else's life.

Izzat you, Gregg Allman?

 

[phrodeau]

Do you seriously think all that was an accident? or a mistake?

Think on my friend, think on...

No, not an accident or mistake. Simply a story made up in an attempt to explain the state of things through guesswork.

 

[PoppingTom]

Trying to make a living, enjoying life when I can and being the best I can be.

It's a process and a humbling experience..

We strive for a perfection that is impossible for us to obtain.

When I think about the person I was...It was indeed someone else's life.

In other words: your religion gives you a footing.

I can accept that.

But in the same way it does for you, it does the opposite for me. It's not a question of belief. It's a question of thinking. I can't think like you. I fear the moment I could do.

 

[about_average]

Tolerance? Tolerance is enabling destructive activity. Tolerance is the same cavalier and weak mentality behind every wrongdoing you can think of, because you lack the girth to say no and to stand up for, much less identify, what is right, what is decent, what is civil, what is respectful. Intolerance is not as demonic as people try to make it out to be.

I think it's perfectly fine for a couple to role play rape fantasies if that's what they both enjoy doing with each other.
I don't think it's ok for one of them to actually rape the other.
Does that make me tolerant, or intolerant?

Maybe I'm just an intolerant SOB since I don't think it's ok for someone to harm another.
Or maybe I'm a cavalier SOB with a weak mentality because I think consenting adults should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm someone who isn't party to the agreement.

 

[about_average]

God does not push legislation...

Are you sure?

The president rebuked the House of Representatives for passing a bill reaffirming the US motto "In God We Trust" rather than getting to work on his stalled $447 billion jobs program.
"That's not putting people back to work. I trust in God, but God wants to see us help ourselves by putting people back to work," the president said.​

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

God does not push legislation... be glad, he puts up a hell of an argument!

God hasn't put up anything in a couple of thousand years, even then only through a middleMAN. IF He or She does exist, that would pretty much get them the Dead Beat Parent of All Time award.

Nobody said God did.

Religious people tend to do.

Don't tell me what God wants, does or doesn't. Tell me what YOU are doing.

That was my entire point. Christians would have a much easier time of it if they didn't spend every waking moment trying to push their religious views with the force of law. One would think, given their reaction to another group trying to impose their religious views on others by pushing Sharia Law, that this would be an easy concept to understand.

Personally, I agree with Ghandi.

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” ― Mahatma Gandhi

 

[FGB]

In other words: your religion gives you a footing.

I can accept that.

But in the same way it does for you, it does the opposite for me. It's not a question of belief. It's a question of thinking. I can't think like you. I fear the moment I could do.

I guess you are interchanging religion with faith or belief.

Christians do a lot of thinking. Whenever I read a bible passage (whatever version it may be) I am not surprised that I often get a new understanding of what it means. I suspect God had a hand in obscuring the meaning of many of them above the normal array of challenges.

However for many people God reminds us of his awareness of us and what we do.

"Ask and ye shall receive" it is said. Much of the time the answer is no...We think we know what is best for us and naturally we want our own way. Sometimes we get it and sometimes it is good and sometimes God gives it to us for a learning experience.

I, myself live with an awareness of God's( and I interchange God, Jesus and the Holy spirit too freely)"awareness" and not just behind the scenes involvement in not only my life but the worlds.

I have to go now, but someone is certain to bring up why God allows all the bad things happen in the world.

Someone else can take that on!

 

[PoppingTom]

That was my entire point. Christians would have a much easier time of it if they didn't spend every waking moment trying to push their religious views with the force of law. One would think, given their reaction to another group trying to impose their religious views on others by pushing Sharia Law, that this would be an easy concept to understand.

Personally, I agree with Ghandi.

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” ― Mahatma Gandhi

I understand that religious people doing that, as any religion establish values (and I won't decide whether this are good or bad values, as this would be somehow religious, too), I can only claim that values of humanism are more important for me, I push them whenever I got the ability to do so, and my tolerance for other religions ends where humanist behavior ends.

 

[FGB]

No, not an accident or mistake. Simply a story made up in an attempt to explain the state of things through guesswork.

That was some very good guessing!

Considering the huge volume of what is now history and what is to come was recorded by prophets thousands of years in advance.

Difficult "Guesswork" to be sure!

 

[phrodeau]

That was some very good guessing!

Considering the huge volume of what is now history and what is to come was recorded by prophets thousands of years in advance.

Difficult "Guesswork" to be sure!

Oh, you mean like the Second Coming happening before 70 AD?

Or this one? Ezekiel 28:24 “‘No longer will the people of Israel have malicious neighbors who are painful briers and sharp thorns. Then they will know that I am the Sovereign Lord. 25 “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: When I gather the people of Israel from the nations where they have been scattered, I will be proved holy through them in the sight of the nations. Then they will live in their own land, which I gave to my servant Jacob. 26 They will live there in safety and will build houses and plant vineyards; they will live in safety when I inflict punishment on all their neighbors who maligned them. Then they will know that I am the Lord their God.’”

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

That was some very good guessing!

Considering the huge volume of what is now history and what is to come was recorded by prophets thousands of years in advance.

Difficult "Guesswork" to be sure!

Hell, they couldn't even keep Joseph's father's name straight.

MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

Or Jesus' last words.

MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

 

[FGB]

Oh, you mean like the Second Coming happening before 70 AD?

Or this one? Ezekiel 28:24 “‘No longer will the people of Israel have malicious neighbors who are painful briers and sharp thorns. Then they will know that I am the Sovereign Lord. 25 “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: When I gather the people of Israel from the nations where they have been scattered, I will be proved holy through them in the sight of the nations. Then they will live in their own land, which I gave to my servant Jacob. 26 They will live there in safety and will build houses and plant vineyards; they will live in safety when I inflict punishment on all their neighbors who maligned them. Then they will know that I am the Lord their God.’”

Only part of what I was thinking, but you only put a drop of water in the cup...

Here is a little more on the subject you picked out.

http://bibleresources.org/biblical-prophecies-concerning-jesus/