Free Association Thread 5

[JKendallDane]

Apparently, it's in GA.
"Clarkesville is located at 34°36′38″N 83°31′30″W / 34.61056°N 83.525°W / 34.61056; -83.525 (34.610521, -83.525056). "
I ain't too sure about a Railway, tho'.

It was never admitted to by the Monkees, but supposedly "Last Train to Clarksville" was in reference to Clarksville, Tennessee, which was the gathering point for soldiers being sent to Vietnam from Ft. Campbell, Kentucky.

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[AnAngelReally]

It was never admitted to by the Monkees, but supposedly "Last Train to Clarksville" was in reference to Clarksville, Tennessee, which was the gathering point for soldiers being sent to Vietnam from Ft. Campbell, Kentucky.

I wouldn't be surprized. They couldn't come out and say it outright, being essentially pop musicians. They knew on which side their bread was buttered. Kudoes to them if they actually took a stand, however subtly.

 

[Handley_Page]

It was never admitted to by the Monkees, but supposedly "Last Train to Clarksville" was in reference to Clarksville, Tennessee, which was the gathering point for soldiers being sent to Vietnam from Ft. Campbell, Kentucky.

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I wouldn't be surprized. They couldn't come out and say it outright, being essentially pop musicians. They knew on which side their bread was buttered. Kudoes to them if they actually took a stand, however subtly.

That surprised me, but then, I know nothing of Fort Campbell.
It's an interesting footnote to a pleasant song, tho'.

 

[JKendallDane]

I wouldn't be surprized. They couldn't come out and say it outright, being essentially pop musicians. They knew on which side their bread was buttered. Kudoes to them if they actually took a stand, however subtly.

That surprised me, but then, I know nothing of Fort Campbell.
It's an interesting footnote to a pleasant song, tho'.

That song was released by them in 1966 so Vietnam hadn't yet become a major issue here in the states with the body counts a part of every evening's newscasts.

In a way, it could be seen as one of the first protest songs and even though the lyrics are very subtle about it, they do hit hard when you consider what they say.

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[AnAngelReally]

That song was released by them in 1966 so Vietnam hadn't yet become a major issue here in the states with the body counts a part of every evening's newscasts.

In a way, it could be seen as one of the first protest songs and even though the lyrics are very subtle about it, they do hit hard when you consider what they say.

Them were the years of great protest songs after the terrible battle for civil rights.

 

[Tio_Narratore]

That song was released by them in 1966 so Vietnam hadn't yet become a major issue here in the states with the body counts a part of every evening's newscasts.

In a way, it could be seen as one of the first protest songs and even though the lyrics are very subtle about it, they do hit hard when you consider what they say.

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Them were the years of great protest songs after the terrible battle for civil rights.

When I first protested the Vietnam War in high school in 1965, Tom Paxton, Phil Ochs, the Fugs, and a number of others had been coming out with protest songs, some as early as 1962. Even Barry McGuire's "Eve of Destruction" predates the Monkees. Mike Nesmith was a very good songwriter (just consider his "Different Drum," made famous by Linda Ronstad), and wrote what he could get on to tv, but it wasn't as hard-hitting as many of the others of the time.

 

[JKendallDane]

When I first protested the Vietnam War in high school in 1965, Tom Paxton, Phil Ochs, the Fugs, and a number of others had been coming out with protest songs, some as early as 1962. Even Barry McGuire's "Eve of Destruction" predates the Monkees. Mike Nesmith was a very good songwriter (just consider his "Different Drum," made famous by Linda Ronstad), and wrote what he could get on to tv, but it wasn't as hard-hitting as many of the others of the time.

The song that will always define the insanity of VN for me was "Four Dead in Ohio." When the killing left the rice paddies and came to our shores was the line in the sand of any justification for further wasted lives.

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[Handley_Page]

The song that will always define the insanity of VN for me was "Four Dead in Ohio." When the killing left the rice paddies and came to our shores was the line in the sand of any justification for further wasted lives.

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You mean - this one ?

 

[SamScribble]

You mean - this one ?

I can still remember the first time that I heard this one. I think that it may have been in 1961. It still speaks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ZyuULy9zs

 

[Trumpire]

I can still remember the first time that I heard this one. I think that it may have been in 1961. It still speaks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ZyuULy9zs

I remember I was involved in many things at a branch of that university. One of those groups did the same thing each semester, with a public event at the end. About 1-2 decades ago, we realized the end event was going to fall on May 4th. The faculty head asked all of us if we had a problem with that. I was never a student there, so I let those that were decide & stayed quiet. We did it as scheduled.

Within the last 12 hours, was wearing a T-shirt for the last thing I did at that same branch, back in '05. That faculty member "follows" me on Twitter, as I approved their request on the same (Wednes)day.

 

[AnAngelReally]

I'm often told that I'm stuck in the late 60s, early 70s, musically. I make no apologies for it.
The times, they were a changing and I'm proud to have been part of it too.

 

[Tio_Narratore]

The song that will always define the insanity of VN for me was "Four Dead in Ohio." When the killing left the rice paddies and came to our shores was the line in the sand of any justification for further wasted lives.

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And many wondered why it took Americans killing Americans for so many to finally find something wrong in killing...

I'm often told that I'm stuck in the late 60s, early 70s, musically. I make no apologies for it.
The times, they were a changing and I'm proud to have been part of it too.

In the summer of 65, I was living in an apartment over a store fronting on a major street, and had just appeared in the local conservative newspaper in an article on our high school civil rights group. I woke up to car horns outside my window, and looked out to see a convertible with a bunch of my peers brandishing rifles. A sign hung on the side of the car: "Get Out Nigger Lover." I didn't get out; I got my shotgun and a full bandolier of 12-gauge shells and sat in the window, cleaning the gun. They left.

The next year I was active in the peace movement, and received a .222 in the mail, purporting to be from the "Minutemen," and declaring me to be No. 42 on their list.

Those Were the Days

 

[Handley_Page]

I'm often told that I'm stuck in the late 60s, early 70s, musically. I make no apologies for it.
The times, they were a changing and I'm proud to have been part of it too.

What a ghastly copy of a decent song !

And many wondered why it took Americans killing Americans for so many to finally find something wrong in killing...

In the summer of 65, I was living in an apartment over a store fronting on a major street, and had just appeared in the local conservative newspaper in an article on our high school civil rights group. I woke up to car horns outside my window, and looked out to see a convertible with a bunch of my peers brandishing rifles. A sign hung on the side of the car: "Get Out Nigger Lover." I didn't get out; I got my shotgun and a full bandolier of 12-gauge shells and sat in the window, cleaning the gun. They left.

The next year I was active in the peace movement, and received a .222 in the mail, purporting to be from the "Minutemen," and declaring me to be No. 42 on their list.

Those Were the Days

A very good song.
Ye gods, but there was some seriously good music around then. (See here)

I remember the sports world was shocked by the actions of Cassius Clay (=Muhamad Ali); it was a while before I was told the answer. I remember feeling glad I was an Englishman.

 

[Tio_Narratore]

What a ghastly copy of a decent song !




A very good song.
Ye gods, but there was some seriously good music around then. (See here)

I remember the sports world was shocked by the actions of Cassius Clay (=Muhamad Ali); it was a while before I was told the answer. I remember feeling glad I was an Englishman.

Dylan wrote The Times They Are A'Changin...

as well as Blowin' in the Wind...

You just don't appreciate the rough origins of some great songs.

 

[JKendallDane]

Dylan wrote The Times They Are A'Changin...

as well as Blowin' in the Wind...

You just don't appreciate the rough origins of some great songs.

And far too many younger people have no clue as to the context of the origins. With much of the 60's and 70's music, you had to live through the times to really understand the meanings of the lyrics.

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[Handley_Page]

And far too many younger people have no clue as to the context of the origins. With much of the 60's and 70's music, you had to live through the times to really understand the meanings of the lyrics.

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Ain't that the truth ?

 

[AnAngelReally]

And far too many younger people have no clue as to the context of the origins. With much of the 60's and 70's music, you had to live through the times to really understand the meanings of the lyrics.

I hardly dare imagine what direction music will take considering the violent, racist and mysogynistic bent of much today's songs. Like much of America's culture and social currents, it's scary. I miss the peace and love era.

 

[Tio_Narratore]

I hardly dare imagine what direction music will take considering the violent, racist and mysogynistic bent of much today's songs. Like much of America's culture and social currents, it's scary. I miss the peace and love era.

"If it moves, fondle it."

-Tully Kupferberg (The late poet, and originator of "Make Love, Not War").

 

[AnAngelReally]

"If it moves, fondle it."

Tully Kupferberg (The late poet, and originator of "Make Love, Not War").

Is that where Trump got "if it stands still, grope it"?

 

[Tio_Narratore]

Is that where Trump got "if it stands still, grope it"?

I don't think so. Tulli was reacting to the Marine's Vietnam dictum of "it it moves, kill it." Trump probably never got to the Lower East Side to hear the Fugs.

But I can see where you're coming from.

 

[AnAngelReally]

I don't think so. Tulli was reacting to the Marine's Vietnam dictum of "it it moves, kill it." Trump probably never got to the Lower East Side to hear the Fugs.

But I can see where you're coming from.

We didn't have "The Lottery" up here. I couldn't have gotten out of serving because of "bone spurs" like the child in chief.

 

[Tio_Narratore]

We didn't have "The Lottery" up here. I couldn't have gotten out of serving because of "bone spurs" like the child in chief.

Don't be too sure - some of those medical exemptions were at the "discretion" of the examining physician. We "borrowed" the medical regulations book from the Whitehall Induction Center late one night and gave it to the American Friends Service Center (the Quakers) to help people get exemptions. They found that many conditions were routinely ignored (for the poor, at least). Little known fact, of particular interest here at Lit, is that having a penis excessively small or large was grounds for exemption.

 

[Trumpire]

Don't be too sure - some of those medical exemptions were at the "discretion" of the examining physician. We "borrowed" the medical regulations book from the Whitehall Induction Center late one night and gave it to the American Friends Service Center (the Quakers) to help people get exemptions. They found that many conditions were routinely ignored (for the poor, at least). Little known fact, of particular interest here at Lit, is that having a penis excessively small or large was grounds for exemption.

I had an appointment scheduled for Thu. afternoon with my urologist. Got voicemails 2 straight days reminding me, but not asking me to call & confirm nor bring a list of meds I'm on. Today, I call to confirm, & person tells me they had already "marked down" that I was coming.

I get in room, & nurse tells me what to do for procedure before doc enters. I reply, "OK. Can do." She says, "You're very welcome." Doc is in room for maybe a minute before I told him we weren't doing in-office test after all.

Also, I read in recent years that people were overheard exiting Neil Diamond concerts remarking about him doing a Monkees' song. (I also know Micky says in concert he did it "before there was a Shrek".) I grew up listening to PPM as well as 60s & 70s music, but that may be part of the reason I know composers don't always do bets recordings of songs. (Online night he died, one site's piece I looked at listed "Mary Mary" by Monkees as among Glen Campbell's best musical moments, & some also told stories of Brian Wilson asking Glenn to fill in for him.)

 

[AnAngelReally]

Don't be too sure - some of those medical exemptions were at the "discretion" of the examining physician. We "borrowed" the medical regulations book from the Whitehall Induction Center late one night and gave it to the American Friends Service Center (the Quakers) to help people get exemptions. They found that many conditions were routinely ignored (for the poor, at least). Little known fact, of particular interest here at Lit, is that having a penis excessively small or large was grounds for exemption.

On course, the wealthy never had to put their precious skins at risk like the rest of us.

All I can say is "Wow!". regarding penis size as an exemption for the military. It's a sad commentary on the culture and wonder how it was for the Spartiates who fought in the buff.

 

[JKendallDane]

On course, the wealthy never had to put their precious skins at risk like the rest of us.

All I can say is "Wow!". regarding penis size as an exemption for the military. It's a sad commentary on the culture and wonder how it was for the Spartiates who fought in the buff.

Kind of makes you wonder if 45's deferments were actually about "bone spurs."

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